Young brothers admit boys attack

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charmerMember

quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
It's obvious these kids have been abused themselves, so the parents are to blame. Trouble is, that means the parents were probably abused also, so it goes right back - a chain of abuse/neglect leading to this horror.

is that where the phrase 'sins of the fathers' comes from?

i dunno-is it?

9/4/0911:24 AM

fabienneMember

quote:
Originally posted by charmer:
quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
It's obvious these kids have been abused themselves, so the parents are to blame. Trouble is, that means the parents were probably abused also, so it goes right back - a chain of abuse/neglect leading to this horror.

is that where the phrase 'sins of the fathers' comes from?

i dunno-is it?

Don't know. It's very disturbing, isn't it?

9/4/0911:26 AM

charmerMember

quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
quote:
Originally posted by charmer:
quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
It's obvious these kids have been abused themselves, so the parents are to blame. Trouble is, that means the parents were probably abused also, so it goes right back - a chain of abuse/neglect leading to this horror.

is that where the phrase 'sins of the fathers' comes from?

i dunno-is it?

Don't know. It's very disturbing, isn't it?

i sorta think theres a lot of these kids who would do this sorta thing
but theres no deterrent(sp)
they sat in the court looking bored-when they did the crime-they danced about and said 'we're going to prison'
and in all honesty-they'll get done-get sent down-get a cell with a games console and better education facillities (sp)
than most kids their age would expect-its all so wrong
and one more thing-my parents came to this country about 40 years ago-thinking that the law etc.. was fair
i bet my old man is turning in his grave now and wishes he never brought us here

9/4/0911:36 AM

CagneyMember

Does anyone think they really knew the consequences of thier actions though?

9/4/0911:38 AM

fabienneMember

I think these freakish events could happen anywhere though, charmer, not just here. I think the fact that it makes the news must mean it is unusual, thank god. The kids probably didn't even think they were doing anything wrong, as they were brought up to think violence to be normal.

9/4/0911:39 AM

charmerMember

cagney and fab

i bloody hope so

9/4/0911:41 AM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
I think these freakish events could happen anywhere though, charmer, not just here. I think the fact that it makes the news must mean it is unusual, thank god. The kids probably didn't even think they were doing anything wrong, as they were brought up to think violence to be normal.

I agree with the first part Fabienne but the second I disagree on. They must have known they were doing wrong to say "we are going to prison". Perhaps they didn't realise the extent of how wrong those things actually were.

9/4/0911:46 AM

fabienneMember

I get what you're saying, Cags. I just read that their dad made them fight each other, and would beat them if they refused, so they see violence as something they got praised for. I can't begin to understand all this though.

9/4/0911:49 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
Does anyone think they really knew the consequences of thier actions though?

I do. After a fashion anyway.

I doubt they fully appreciate what it might be like spending, say, 10 or 15 years in custody of some sort and being monitored quietly for the rest of their lives. I also doubt they fully realise the extent of the devastation injuring or killing like that causes and what is truly lost in terms of potential and in the flow of time. I do, however, think they almost certainly knew what they were doing was profounding wrong and very, very nasty. To that extent, they're culpable. That's different to adults of normal mental development and should be treated differently, possibly outside or in parallel with the normal criminal justice system.

9/4/0911:53 AM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
I get what you're saying, Cags. I just read that their dad made them fight each other, and would beat them if they refused, so they see violence as something they got praised for. I can't begin to understand all this though.

Maybe praise from thier father (no matter how they earned it) was better than the alternative. If this is the case and they carried on the violence outside the house what the hell must have happened for them to sexually assault another young boy?

9/4/0911:57 AM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
Does anyone think they really knew the consequences of thier actions though?

I do. After a fashion anyway.

I doubt they fully appreciate what it might be like spending, say, 10 or 15 years in custody of some sort and being monitored quietly for the rest of their lives. I also doubt they fully realise the extent of the devastation injuring or killing like that causes and what is truly lost in terms of potential and in the flow of time. I do, however, think they almost certainly knew what they were doing was profounding wrong and very, very nasty. To that extent, they're culpable. That's different to adults of normal mental development and should be treated differently, possibly outside or in parallel with the normal criminal justice system.

AT 10/11 years old they couldn't have any comprehension of the consequences. Do you think they were acting out at the treatment they got at home? Hurting so badly that they wanted someone else to feel the same pain? Taking on the role that thier father had played for so long?

I agree that this case should be treated differently...IF what we read is true about thier backgrounds etc.

9/4/0912:01 PM

Garage JoeMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
I get what you're saying, Cags. I just read that their dad made them fight each other, and would beat them if they refused, so they see violence as something they got praised for. I can't begin to understand all this though.

Maybe praise from thier father (no matter how they earned it) was better than the alternative. If this is the case and they carried on the violence outside the house what the hell must have happened for them to sexually assault another young boy?

I think we have to accept that some families are very very dysfunctional. I remember seeing a report on the home life of one of the Bulger murderers. These people are not brought up the same way as ourselves or our children. Parents operating in a cloud of drugs, alcohol, and inappropriate images.

9/4/0912:05 PM

CagneyMember

Some of this has to come down to the way we all live today though. The "I'm not getting involved" attitude. You read these stories and the neighbours/family members etc saying after it's happened how they knew the kids were abused, how they knew things weren't right, how they'd seen the kids being violent and abusive. Sometimes it's not worth the hassle to comfront people you think are doing wrong though. I know people who have had thier windows put in because they've expressed concern about a childs welfare.

Do you sit back and say nothing?

9/4/0912:10 PM

Garage JoeMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
Some of this has to come down to the way we all live today though. The "I'm not getting involved" attitude. You read these stories and the neighbours/family members etc saying after it's happened how they knew the kids were abused, how they knew things weren't right, how they'd seen the kids being violent and abusive. Sometimes it's not worth the hassle to comfront people you think are doing wrong though. I know people who have had thier windows put in because they've expressed concern about a childs welfare.

Do you sit back and say nothing?

When I was a gentleman in uniform, our Boss said, "Remember we are not social workers!" and we used powers of arrest.
Nowadays it seems like decision-making by committee. Always a recipe for disaster in childcare IMHYCO.

9/4/0912:13 PM

charmerMember

quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
I get what you're saying, Cags. I just read that their dad made them fight each other, and would beat them if they refused, so they see violence as something they got praised for. I can't begin to understand all this though.

Maybe praise from thier father (no matter how they earned it) was better than the alternative. If this is the case and they carried on the violence outside the house what the hell must have happened for them to sexually assault another young boy?

I think we have to accept that some families are very very dysfunctional. I remember seeing a report on the home life of one of the Bulger murderers. These people are not brought up the same way as ourselves or our children. Parents operating in a cloud of drugs, alcohol, and inappropriate images.

i could tell you a story about that GJ-the parents did just that-let the kids watch porn-the eldest lad-10-assualted a girl in a shed,
they got done by the feds-kept the kids!
and they used to knock on MY door to play with (my now ex) kids
i told 'em to do one
my ex was abused as a kid
but SHE thought it was ok..!
so where do you go from there..?

it goes on-she let her kids play with them kids cos the dad sold cannabis

and she got it cheaper

it goes on and its vile

9/4/0912:18 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
AT 10/11 years old they couldn't have any comprehension of the consequences. Do you think they were acting out at the treatment they got at home? Hurting so badly that they wanted someone else to feel the same pain? Taking on the role that thier father had played for so long?

Is that true? I don't have children myself but I understood from child development theory, and by personal observation, that children are pretty self-aware at that age and have a personal sense of right and wrong. I know that their sense of right and wrong is usually limited though, failing to take account of mitigating circumstances and wider issues so that their choice of punishments, when tested, for misbehaviour can seem quite harsh. They also seem to have the start of a proper sense of humour, which suggests to me that more creative mental connections are talking place.

What's the age of criminal responsibility in Scotland? I thought it was 8. In England, I believe it's 12 and a bit higher in other parts of Europe. I know it can be as low as 7 in some countries. On that basis, I think a child aged 10 must be bordering on understanding the important stuff. What I don't know is how these two boys rate on personal mental development, and that's crucial as all kids develop differently. They could be on the spectrum for all I know.

9/4/0912:20 PM

charmerMember

quote:
Originally posted by charmer:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
I get what you're saying, Cags. I just read that their dad made them fight each other, and would beat them if they refused, so they see violence as something they got praised for. I can't begin to understand all this though.

Maybe praise from thier father (no matter how they earned it) was better than the alternative. If this is the case and they carried on the violence outside the house what the hell must have happened for them to sexually assault another young boy?

I think we have to accept that some families are very very dysfunctional. I remember seeing a report on the home life of one of the Bulger murderers. These people are not brought up the same way as ourselves or our children. Parents operating in a cloud of drugs, alcohol, and inappropriate images.

i could tell you a story about that GJ-the parents did just that-let the kids watch porn-the eldest lad-10-assualted a girl in a shed,
they got done by the feds-kept the kids!
and they used to knock on MY door to play with (my now ex) kids
i told 'em to do one
my ex was abused as a kid
but SHE thought it was ok..!
so where do you go from there..?

it goes on-she let her kids play with them kids cos the dad sold cannabis

and she got it cheaper

it goes on and its vile

and by the way-i threatened, moaned, and started, it didnt happen again
but i was disapointed by her reaction
i got dumped after 6 years
but i tried

9/4/0912:21 PM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
AT 10/11 years old they couldn't have any comprehension of the consequences. Do you think they were acting out at the treatment they got at home? Hurting so badly that they wanted someone else to feel the same pain? Taking on the role that thier father had played for so long?

Is that true? I don't have children myself but I understood from child development theory, and by personal observation, that children are pretty self-aware at that age and have a personal sense of right and wrong. I know that their sense of right and wrong is usually limited though, failing to take account of mitigating circumstances and wider issues so that their choice of punishments, when tested, for misbehaviour can seem quite harsh. They also seem to have the start of a proper sense of humour, which suggests to me that more creative mental connections are talking place.

What's the age of criminal responsibility in Scotland? I thought it was 8. In England, I believe it's 12 and a bit higher in other parts of Europe. I know it can be as low as 7 in some countries. On that basis, I think a child aged 10 must be bordering on understanding the important stuff. What I don't know is how these two boys rate on personal mental development, and that's crucial as all kids develop differently. They could be on the spectrum for all I know.

Having no children doesn't matter as all children are different. I have 3 approaching 10 years old and to me they seem quite mature, level headed and kind. I know kids the same age, same upbringing who are very babyish, spoilt and nasty. Outside my house....out of my sight I can only hope my kids aren't getting into trouble. I presume they aren't because nobody has knocked on my door to tell me differently. As far as I'm aware they know the difference between right and wrong. They read stories like this...I don't hide them from them and they know it's wrong and feel disgusted by them. That's a good sign I think

I don't know how much emphasis we should put on the age of criminal responsibility as all kids are different and I don't see how an entire country can base a legal system on one single age barrier.

9/4/0912:33 PM

fabienneMember

To me the big question is: Is there any hope for those children to become "normal" human beings? If they were made that way through their upbringing, surely with the right treatment they could be saved? Controversial, I know.

9/4/0912:37 PM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
To me the big question is: Is there any hope for those children to become "normal" human beings? If they were made that way through their upbringing, surely with the right treatment they could be saved? Controversial, I know.

I would hope so....

BUT...look at the Jamie Bulger case. The 2 boys served thier sentence but still people were gunning for them when they came out. I totally understand that BUT because of that there is no way those boys could lead a normal life. It doesn't surprise me that one of them turned out to be a low life.

This is where I'm torn. Yes these boys are as far as we know victims themselves and should be given punishment AND rehabilitation but on the other hand I think they are nasty vile human beings for inflicting such pain. That actually makes me sick that I just said that about a child

9/4/0912:47 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I can see how a young child could be violent towards another child but sexual assault. Finding it hard to get my head round that. Maybe it's because my kids are similar ages to the youngest offender here.

sadly, sexual assault..or what could be labeled as sexual assault, is not as rare as we'd like to think. i personally know of 3 cases

9/4/0912:51 PM

fabienneMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by fabienne:
To me the big question is: Is there any hope for those children to become "normal" human beings? If they were made that way through their upbringing, surely with the right treatment they could be saved? Controversial, I know.

I would hope so....

BUT...look at the Jamie Bulger case. The 2 boys served thier sentence but still people were gunning for them when they came out. I totally understand that BUT because of that there is no way those boys could lead a normal life. It doesn't surprise me that one of them turned out to be a low life.

This is where I'm torn. Yes these boys are as far as we know victims themselves and should be given punishment AND rehabilitation but on the other hand I think they are nasty vile human beings for inflicting such pain. That actually makes me sick that I just said that about a child

I feel the same. I don't know what happens to these people once they are locked away though.

9/4/0912:56 PM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I can see how a young child could be violent towards another child but sexual assault. Finding it hard to get my head round that. Maybe it's because my kids are similar ages to the youngest offender here.

sadly, sexual assault..or what could be labeled as sexual assault, is not as rare as we'd like to think. i personally know of 3 cases

3 cases recently? Were they reported in the press? I'm not doubting you btw. NO WAY. It's just because earlier someone said about this being rare or we would have had more reported cases

9/4/093:50 PM

Soozy WooMember

quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I can see how a young child could be violent towards another child but sexual assault. Finding it hard to get my head round that. Maybe it's because my kids are similar ages to the youngest offender here.

sadly, sexual assault..or what could be labeled as sexual assault, is not as rare as we'd like to think. i personally know of 3 cases

It's incredibly sad - and at the same time horrific for the victims involved.

Surely you have to ask yourselves how 10 and 11 year old boys know about how to sexually abuse ...........it would seem that they'd have had to experience it in order to carry it out wouldn't it?

I'm not defending as the case was horrific beyond words but - you have to ask yourself what these boys have lived through/learned in order to carry out that sort of attack dont you?

9/4/094:07 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I can see how a young child could be violent towards another child but sexual assault. Finding it hard to get my head round that. Maybe it's because my kids are similar ages to the youngest offender here.

sadly, sexual assault..or what could be labeled as sexual assault, is not as rare as we'd like to think. i personally know of 3 cases

3 cases recently? Were they reported in the press? I'm not doubting you btw. NO WAY. It's just because earlier someone said about this being rare or we would have had more reported cases

not sure how to answer this really, lol. one case involved me, age 5 and a boy aged 8. the other two cases were also close to my heart so although i brought it up...i'd rather not talk about it

kinda worried me that i recently went onto an agony aunt forum, and someone found their 13year old brother spying on them getting undressed and getting off on it, and most people were saying it was normal...put down to sexual curiosity...alot of stuff that can be deemed sexual abuse, could also be put under the label 'sexual curiosity'. ofc there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, but that line seems different for everyone :/

9/4/094:14 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Soozy woo:
quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I can see how a young child could be violent towards another child but sexual assault. Finding it hard to get my head round that. Maybe it's because my kids are similar ages to the youngest offender here.

sadly, sexual assault..or what could be labeled as sexual assault, is not as rare as we'd like to think. i personally know of 3 cases

It's incredibly sad - and at the same time horrific for the victims involved.

Surely you have to ask yourselves how 10 and 11 year old boys know about how to sexually abuse ...........it would seem that they'd have had to experience it in order to carry it out wouldn't it?

I'm not defending as the case was horrific beyond words but - you have to ask yourself what these boys have lived through/learned in order to carry out that sort of attack dont you?

i read that they got the two victims to sexually abuse eachother? did they also sexually abuse them too? although you could argue that getting them to do it is abuse in itself.

the parents let these kids watch horror movies from a very young age, and porn apparently....didn't really stand a chance did they. while i dont think horror movies are to blame for things like this...they have an age restriction for a reason...sadly these parents didn't give a shit about that.

9/4/094:17 PM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

Wow! I'm glad you said that Danjay.
Mrs Joe and I thought the same but I didn't dare post it on here.

I said exactly that, on this forum, when the Baby P case was first reported.

I don't remember anyone getting too cross with me!

It's a terrible cycle of brutality.

9/4/094:19 PM

CagneyMember

Sorry Hoobs. Didn't mean you to go into detail.

Just asking because someone earlier said it was rare as it's not in the press or something like that.

I think everyone goes through a curious phase. It is natural. What's not natural...for me...is spying on siblings/family members etc.

9/4/094:22 PM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

Sexual curiosity is very, very normal.

What isn't normal is our attitude to sex and kids feeling that they can't talk about things that are worrying them.

9/4/094:25 PM

EssieMember

quote:
Originally posted by Blizzie:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

Wow! I'm glad you said that Danjay.
Mrs Joe and I thought the same but I didn't dare post it on here.

I said exactly that, on this forum, when the Baby P case was first reported.

I don't remember anyone getting too cross with me!

It's a terrible cycle of brutality.

I deliberately stayed out of this thread for the very same reason. We are talking about small children and all of them are victims. It breaks my heart.

9/4/094:28 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
Sorry Hoobs. Didn't mean you to go into detail.

Just asking because someone earlier said it was rare as it's not in the press or something like that.

I think everyone goes through a curious phase. It is natural. What's not natural...for me...is spying on siblings/family members etc.

it's not in the press probably because kids dont talk up....i didn't...and the other two cases i know about were found out, when it happened. otheriwse they would have been unspoken probably too.

cases like what these two 'boys' did are rare i imagine as...well...police HAVE to be involved, those poor kids were nearly killed, it wasn't just touching up or something it was quite literally torture

9/4/094:29 PM

CagneyMember

I was allowed to watch horror films from an early age. From about 5 years old. Hammer Horror was my treat. I refused to go to bed and wanted to watch what mum was watching so she let me. We laughed at them mostly. No way she would have let me watch if I was scared.

The rest of it. The porn, the violence etc. That's a whole different story.

9/4/094:31 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Blizzie:
Sexual curiosity is very, very normal.

What isn't normal is our attitude to sex and kids feeling that they can't talk about things that are worrying them.

yes it is, i wasn't arguing that

the point i was trying to make is when is it sexual curiousity...and when is it more than that? people have different boundries.

9/4/094:32 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I was allowed to watch horror films from an early age. From about 5 years old. Hammer Horror was my treat. I refused to go to bed and wanted to watch what mum was watching so she let me. We laughed at them mostly. No way she would have let me watch if I was scared.

The rest of it. The porn, the violence etc. That's a whole different story.

i watched horror movies at a young age too

but i didn't really suffer the abuse alongside it to make me think it was normal. horror movies thrilled me, scared me, mostly made me laugh too lol...but never really inspired me. to me they were just stories and if i was scared i took comfort that they were not real.

mind you, as i mentioned the other day, my art teacher was worried about me once when all my art projects involved red paint/blood

...but i was going through my emo teens then

9/4/094:36 PM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Blizzie:
Sexual curiosity is very, very normal.

What isn't normal is our attitude to sex and kids feeling that they can't talk about things that are worrying them.

yes it is, i wasn't arguing that the point i was trying to make is when is it sexual curiousity...and when is it more than that? people have different boundries.

I wasn't disagreeing with you!

I think 'doctors and nurses' games have been going on since we invented doctors and nurses.

I just think we need kids to know that they can speak up, when things go too far.

We are very open about sex, but still manage to make kids feel shameful about anything like that.

9/4/094:37 PM

CagneyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I was allowed to watch horror films from an early age. From about 5 years old. Hammer Horror was my treat. I refused to go to bed and wanted to watch what mum was watching so she let me. We laughed at them mostly. No way she would have let me watch if I was scared.

The rest of it. The porn, the violence etc. That's a whole different story.

i watched horror movies at a young age too but i didn't really suffer the abuse alongside it to make me think it was normal. horror movies thrilled me, scared me, mostly made me laugh too lol...but never really inspired me. to me they were just stories and if i was scared i took comfort that they were not real.

mind you, as i mentioned the other day, my art teacher was worried about me once when all my art projects involved red paint/blood ...but i was going through my emo teens then

I've gone through that stage too

I've spoken to my mum about this before. I'm not making light of any situation but when people get convicted of murder/torture etc they always mention that they found hundreds of horror films in thier house, books on serial killers and stuff. I have hundreds of horror films and I'm fascinated by serial killers. I have books, magazines etc.

9/4/094:40 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Blizzie:
quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Blizzie:
Sexual curiosity is very, very normal.

What isn't normal is our attitude to sex and kids feeling that they can't talk about things that are worrying them.

yes it is, i wasn't arguing that the point i was trying to make is when is it sexual curiousity...and when is it more than that? people have different boundries.

I wasn't disagreeing with you!

I think 'doctors and nurses' games have been going on since we invented doctors and nurses.

I just think we need kids to know that they can speak up, when things go too far.

We are very open about sex, but still manage to make kids feel shameful about anything like that.

sorry i read you wrong

thing is, if a kid did speak up about danny down the road touching them up, and they are of similar age. what would happen?

9/4/094:42 PM

DarthhoobMember

quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I was allowed to watch horror films from an early age. From about 5 years old. Hammer Horror was my treat. I refused to go to bed and wanted to watch what mum was watching so she let me. We laughed at them mostly. No way she would have let me watch if I was scared.

The rest of it. The porn, the violence etc. That's a whole different story.

i watched horror movies at a young age too but i didn't really suffer the abuse alongside it to make me think it was normal. horror movies thrilled me, scared me, mostly made me laugh too lol...but never really inspired me. to me they were just stories and if i was scared i took comfort that they were not real.

mind you, as i mentioned the other day, my art teacher was worried about me once when all my art projects involved red paint/blood ...but i was going through my emo teens then

I've gone through that stage too

I've spoken to my mum about this before. I'm not making light of any situation but when people get convicted of murder/torture etc they always mention that they found hundreds of horror films in thier house, books on serial killers and stuff. I have hundreds of horror films and I'm fascinated by serial killers. I have books, magazines etc.

aye thats why i said i dont blame horror movies etc. the media love to blame them. you have to be pretty messed up to be inspired by a computer game/movie. these kids were suffering abuse alongside that...which is the main cause i reckon

me and you must both be sick puppies. i called my son Dexter Morgan ffs

9/4/094:45 PM

riversiderMember

quote:
Originally posted by Essex Angel:

........................

I deliberately stayed out of this thread for the very same reason. We are talking about small children and all of them are victims. It breaks my heart.

Could not agree more. i recently worked in special needs dept of a school and some children, very hard to love children, have led terrible lives. They end up genuinely not knowing right from wrong. And blighted for life

9/4/094:46 PM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Darthhoob:

thing is, if a kid did speak up about danny down the road touching them up, and they are of similar age. what would happen?

In an ideal world, the parents sit them down and explain that it is not appropriate at their age and that it is normal to be curious, but can lead to harm.

If Danny carries on, all the kids know that they can report it and not be blamed.

If Danny has a serious problem, soon everyone knows and eventually he gets a 'reputation' and is avoided like the plague!

I honestly think it's the unnecessary shame that causes the most harm for victims, certainly at that sort of age.

9/4/094:49 PM

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