http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/eng...orkshire/8235661.stm

Did you read this bit? Jebus!

, thats disgraceful , no wonder some kids are out of control.

And to think of all those couples out there who can't have kids....

What horribly disturbed children.

I worked next to where one of the boys who killed James Bulger lived.
Some staff knew him - but did not know his past

They told me he was a bad 'un ... drug dealer who had beaten his g/f

Don't ask me any questions as i can't say more ... except some people never change no matter how much support they are given

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Originally posted by Heartache:
What horribly disturbed children.

That was my thought too. They aren't just badly behaved, they're seriously, seriously disturbed. They need incarceration and psychiatric care. I wonder what made them like that. *shudder*

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/eng...orkshire/8235661.stm

Did you read this bit? Jebus!

If those accounts are true, then the family should also be prosecuted. It's about time families are made reasponsible for the monsters they churn out, without regard.

I can't help but feel sorry for the kids who it seems weren't brought up but rather dragged up by their poor excuse of a mother....she should have been in the dock with them.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/eng...orkshire/8235661.stm

Did you read this bit? Jebus!

Oh lordy.

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Originally posted by RENTON:
I worked next to where one of the boys who killed James Bulger lived.
Some staff knew him - but did not know his past

They told me he was a bad 'un ... drug dealer who had beaten his g/f

Don't ask me any questions as i can't say more ... except some people never change no matter how much support they are given

What year was that again Renton? I know I wasn't very old but that story affected me badly...I couldn't hear that wee boys name without crying and I've often thought about him over the years. When I had kids of my own I couldn't even hear his name mentioned as it put fear into me about someone doing something awful to my kids. One of the saddest things I remember from growing up....and it's disgusting that one of the monsters who did it hasn't changed much.

I get angry with this "cannot be named for legal reasons" (although I can't see that it actually says that in this report).

If they are able to commit such a cold-blooded attack, and given their past misdemeanours, we should be able to know who they are.

Vile creatures.

1993

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Originally posted by RENTON:
1993

I was 10.

Unbelievable! Whats going on in the world? Dont think any of my kids knew about being ABLE to do that sort of thing when they were the same age, in regards to the sexual things, and as for some of the rest of it, it all seems too much like what happened to poor little jamie Bulger to me

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/eng...orkshire/8235661.stm

Did you read this bit? Jebus!

did the woman commenting for that report never go to social services?

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Originally posted by Ella:

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Originally posted by RENTON:
I worked next to where one of the boys who killed James Bulger lived.
Some staff knew him - but did not know his past

They told me he was a bad 'un ... drug dealer who had beaten his g/f

Don't ask me any questions as i can't say more ... except some people never change no matter how much support they are given

What year was that again Renton? I know I wasn't very old but that story affected me badly...I couldn't hear that wee boys name without crying and I've often thought about him over the years. When I had kids of my own I couldn't even hear his name mentioned as it put fear into me about someone doing something awful to my kids. One of the saddest things I remember from growing up....and it's disgusting that one of the monsters who did it hasn't changed much.

same, i was about the same age of the two murderers, i couldn't believe that someone of my age was capable of doing that to a poor little toddler

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Heartache:
What horribly disturbed children.

That was my thought too. They aren't just badly behaved, they're seriously, seriously disturbed. They need incarceration and psychiatric care. I wonder what made them like that. *shudder*

It has to be their background, l don't subscribe that some people are born evil/bad. Yes these children need an enviroment that they can be helped in everyway possible. But l don't believe that the people who "created" them and allowed them to become so feral, should escape from the prosecution process.

Where was NSPCC this time?

"Lets put a stop to child abuse" yeah yeah

Jesus, what an awful family. Those two brothers never stood a chance of growing up normal.

It shocked me that they were put into the care of a 60 odd year old foster parent and they were seen out late at night....

I think some people are born likely to be bad and need to be socialised out of their natural dispositions. I think you get the main chance in the first four years and then the possibility of modifying some stuff through the teenage years but after that it's pretty messed up. These lads are probably fecked for the rest of their lives now.

We can accept that some people are 'naturally gifted' in certain areas - it wasn't nutured into them

Like David Beckham or Linford Christie

So why do we find it so inconceivable that some people are by nature - evil?

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Originally posted by RENTON:
We can accept that some people are 'naturally gifted' in certain areas - it wasn't nutured into them

Like David Beckham or Linford Christie

So why do we find it so inconceivable that some people are by nature - evil?

One maybe not both. Feckless parents, who drop kids like rabbits, and take no responsibility for their upbringing. I think Beckham and Christie had a decent childhood.
I know a local family, mother prostitute and drug addict. 6 Children all going through the criminal process, all had different fathers, as one broke the law they passed it on to the next one. From theft to more serious offences, you wonder if their background had been stable, how would they have turned out. Now they are all career criminals.

some parents just don't want to bother.just don't care.....

my mate is a higher teaching assistant and visits children who are about to start school in their homes....a kind of 'get to know you thing' so the kids recognise faces.......anyway....the other day she and the teacher went to this house....after chatting to mum and son they went to the door to leave and said 'see you monday at school ******'.......as they turned round the 4 year old lad stuck his middle finger up and said 'feck(adapted!)you mother feckers'...

his mum stood and laughed and said 'he's a right one ain't he?'....

Spongey - this is among many reasons why i quit being a teacher

All I can say is oh my god

Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

It does make you think doesnt it.

all i keep hearing is that those two boys should have got smacked more often....erm...weren't they abused?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

Wow! I'm glad you said that Danjay.
Mrs Joe and I thought the same but I didn't dare post it on here.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

maybe, his mother was abused when she was a child...i dont know about the others who had a hand in his death.

it all seems to be one big nasty circle that just keeps going.

even if baby p was 'rescued' and brought up brilliantly at 17 months old instead of dying...he would probably have had some memory/issues of what had happened to him

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
I can't help but feel sorry for the kids who it seems weren't brought up but rather dragged up by their poor excuse of a mother....she should have been in the dock with them.

I agree Croc....Although there's no excusing hat they did given how they were raised sadly it's understandable....Prosecute that poor excuse of a mother for unleashing what she did .

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

Wow! I'm glad you said that Danjay.
Mrs Joe and I thought the same but I didn't dare post it on here.

And I'm normally so reserved, reticent even, about sharing my more controversal thoughts too!

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

Wow! I'm glad you said that Danjay.
Mrs Joe and I thought the same but I didn't dare post it on here.

And I'm normally so reserved, reticent even, about sharing my more controversal thoughts too!

Yes! I noticed that.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Here's a thought, possibly a very unpleasant one ... might Baby P have turned out like this if he had survived?

Wow! I'm glad you said that Danjay.
Mrs Joe and I thought the same but I didn't dare post it on here.

And I'm normally so reserved, reticent even, about sharing my more controversal thoughts too!

Rodrigo to win .

I just take comfort from the fact that this kind of thing is so very rare, and that it is why it makes front page of the news. Very very frightening though.

I can see how a young child could be violent towards another child but sexual assault. Finding it hard to get my head round that. Maybe it's because my kids are similar ages to the youngest offender here.

what disturbed me was the youngest victim was told to 'kill himself' and he was that scared he shoved a stick down his own throat to kill himself-to stop what was happening
and the sex thing dont even bear thinking about-blimey, when i was that age. i was waiting for a good cartoon to be on the telly and my mom to do me a nice tea
WTF is going on in this country

It's obvious these kids have been abused themselves, so the parents are to blame. Trouble is, that means the parents were probably abused also, so it goes right back - a chain of abuse/neglect leading to this horror.