Oh well fair enough,  I cant make you I guess, but in that case we'll hve to agree to disagree and that we both walk away quietly.

It would bother her because she has spent however long changing gender only for some people to not see it/accept it. I have not been Nadias biggest fan this time around, and agree some of her actions were crazy, but I dont buy into the whole "shes more male than female" thing, because I dont see that it has anything to do with gender. AND I am fairly certain, if it was, lets say Nikki who was reacting like Nadia has, people would be saying Cor! shes coming across a bit butch, or such stuff. All this "shes more man than woman" stuff is just uncalled for IMO. SHE is what she is, and if that makes her a butch woman, so be it. BUT knowing someone such as Nadia has gone through what they have, to then be saying shes more man than woman, is just unnecessary. (I'm not having a go, or calling you any kinda phobic) just how I see it.

Do what you so wish, Vids.

You would'nt believe the amount of people who suffer sex change regret..it is now a known medical diagnosis of Sex change fetish....

Word....

Prom that was an interesting post and an interesting perception. My perception is that she has wanted acceptance for so long and initially she got it when she won BB5. A few years on when the world has supposedly got even more accepting and she's being purposely and spitefully targeted by Coolio. I said on here somewhere that not everyone is going to accept everything, including trans, someone will always have an issue about it no matter how hard others try to educate them. But if what's happened with Coolio is true, and she was already under some kind of stress or depression, then I would imagine the negativity she felt would have been magnified not only cos of the way she was already feeling, but also cos she was in a house where she couldn't escape from him.

I thought she looked a bit broken in the interview last night. Yes she has her tantrums and all the other things about her persona that can be a right pain in the arse, but no matter what she's still a human being with real feelings and real emotions just like everyone else and I think that has been overlooked at times on here.

lol she's advertising it by being in the BB house. It's why she won in the first place. It defines her no matter how much she will argue otherwise. It's what makes her 'interesting'. If she doesn't want people to see it and not accept it she wouldn't put herself under such scrutiny.

In life, we reap what we sow. I am horrified at the verbal and actual abuse she has suffered by the horrible edit she got in BB, but I think she has serious mental issues which I can only assume are a result of her decision to change gender. If you have other explanations I'm all ears. I've already said on another thread that it's strange she claims be suicidal over being booed leaving BB and decided to remedy that by selling her story to The Daily Star. 

She's not right in the head and I put that down to her making a huge mistake with her body.

She did Karma. I was struggling to find an acceptable reason (for myself) as to why that should be. Is BB really that important to her or did Coolio really get to her that much? Her absence from BBBM said to me it was the former though I will agree absolutely that regardless of all things nobody deserves to be treated the way she has by BB.

I'm a bit disgusted at Davina (who I previously liked) for glossing over it all knowing the C4 bosses were watching her.

It's easy to judge what those in such a situation 'should' or 'shouldn't' be doing. Truth is everyone's different and reacts to things differently. Just cos she has spoken to a newspaper or has done something that doesn't seem to be the 'norm' with suicidal folk, don't assume that it's all a smokescreen or false attention-seeking or playing the victim or whatever. I don't know what's fact from fiction with the situation on her anymore than the next person, but if it's true then I echo what Leccy said earlier, I'd rather show compassion at the moment than be flippant.

Unfortunately, Nadia seemed to repeatedly overlook that in relation to her fellow hms

I don't think it was one isolated incident, like I said in my post it looks like something was going on before she went in. Ultimately it was her choice to go back in the house, BB can't be blamed for that, but they can be blamed for not showing us the full story as to what really went on between her and Coolio. How awful would it be if it turned out that the crap she had to endure last night (and if it's true, what happened to her home) was mostly based on biased and shit editing?

True. I've seen her be really shit to other people, and I'm not gonna say that should be ignored solely cos she seemed to going through a hard time. But it's difficult to really judge anything about her at the moment until the truth comes out about what she's been going through (if it does).

I'm sorry, i don't blame Coolio, i don't blame Josie, John-James or their fans, ( of which i'm not one ),  Nadia's actions and reactions to individual incidents are to blame. She was volitile and aggressive on more than one occassion, to more than one person.

I feel terrible about the criminal damage she has suffered and i hope they get whoever did it, but as to her blaming BB and all in sundry for her being percieved differently this time around well, no, she's wrong.
While her friend Marco is posting for help for her and saying he hopes she'll forgive him for doing it, she's selling her story to the Sunday Star..... she might forgive him for leaking the story if she got the fee first.
I'm not hard hearted but a lot of people in the early days of BB were evicted with no loud music drowning out the boo's or chants and Nadia was very aware of this yet because she never got it before it didn't matter to her. Now the tables have turned and she'd suffered the indignity of an eviction she wants to blame bad editting and unfair story projections. I watch L/F and BB were more than fair to her over the bedclothes incident and others. She should get herself away for a good rest somewhere and help if she needs it.

Spider, where did you read this? I read Marco's DS post which refers to 'abusive letters' and have just read the article in the Star where Nadia refers to 'horrible notes.. calling me a bitch'  No mention of transphobic hate mail

Absolutely. It was a setup. You'd like to think it was just a bad edit by people who didn't really understand the implications but I don't think that was the case. BB have a lot to answer for on this one and strangely (or not) they are silent.

Prom I can't even find the words to disagree more with you

Folks (many, many) have constant inner turmoil for no reason that I know of (doesn't mean they don't feel it) some depression is just "there"...it's not all reactive.  And even if it were reactive might it not be more to do with the friggin' shitty stick life has handed her and the crap she still goes through rather than a reaction against her op?

Prom, I know you are intelligent, if you don't understand Nadia's situation would it not be worth your while reading up on the net about it?  I'm not suggesting you go out and buy some mawkish, sentimental autobiography of any trans woman...but just have a google, maybe? 

I know this has been said, me repeating it is probably a forum cliché but...*sigh* I know a lot of aggressive woman and a lot of non-aggressive men. FWIW (generalistaion alert) the men I know that are aggressive are not like Nadia...

If BB open their mouths and back up Nadia and she has been over reacting Endemol could be sued by Coolio and if BB say anything denying Nadia's claims and it sends her over the edge they will be blamed for that too.... its a no win situation for them.

I know what you're saying Karma but imo whatever happened, it is not an excuse for how she behaved towards others, she was completely insensitive to other people's feelings in the house and now she's trying to blame all of that on Coolio and BB. Seems that she's a fan of straight talking when it's her dishing it out but not when people are calling her up on her own behaviour

Indeedicus I'm of the cynical view that they're desperate to sell the show to the highest bidder for the largest amount of revenue they can get, so do not want things ending on a sour or negative note as the value will plummet and another (decent) broadcaster would  stay the hell away from it.

Prom. I just re-read my post and (without the benefit of body language) it comes across as much more snippy and Ms Frozen knickers than I meant it to be...so if you can re-imagine me posting that in a much nicer way than it turned out I would appreciate it, ta

That I agree with 100%. If it were me, I think I would have had to tell my fellow housemates that I wasn't in a good place and to bear with me and pull me up if they think I'm being out of order, especially after the Coolio thing. To just think that people should accept her behaviour without any kind of disclaimer from her, but yet she is allowed to say what she sees and speak her mind is selfish. Maybe if she was feeling that low and had asked for help and support she may have got it and wouldn't have been the way she was.

I think naturally she's a fiery person, I'm not for one second saying she was suddenly taken over by this Medusa-like character, but I do think there were mitigating circumstances around it, especially when I think back to BB5 where she was still fiery but nothing like this time, she just seemed really troubled this time round.

Leccy, I know what you're saying but I'm kind of black and white on this one. Seriously, I have met homosexual men (close friends some of them) who are more effeminate than she ever could or will be. When I look at her face I see a man, I think the same with some of her mannerisms and her wildly aggressive behaviour I have never seen in any gay man. Sorry, we will have to disagree on this one 

To my mind it matters not how you see her it matters more that she is happy, comfortable, and "at home" in her own skin...I'm always in favour of people self-identifying rather than people outside their "group"* telling them what they are.

*I know identity politics is a dead finger pointy "OMG U R SOOO PC Guardian reading" type thing...but I always err on the side of letting people self-identify, because, if nothing else, we haven't lived their lives (to quote a Cliché

It's all fine and dandy knowing how we would cope with X, Y and Z....but until you've had A, B and C you can't truly say.

Leccy, you are PC gone mad.

She's had both and is still well and truly mixed up. She relied on BB to confirm her place in the scheme of things 'once a winner always a winner' but since people have had a glimpse of the 'real' Nadia this time round it hasn't worked out for her.

BB well and truly stitched her up with Coolio but the whole suicide thing while selling her story? Nah. She's an oxygen thief in my book and always will be.

Leccy wears muesli sandals.

I actually believe that.

She will get us, waaah.

Hmmm well I will repeat what I said earlier. If it turns out this is all a charade and she's been stating that she's in a suicidal state due to depression that was never that severe or even exist to begin with just to gain sympathy, then I'll be tearing a strip off her myself via the power of the written word. If this is the case then she's laughing in the face of anyone who has genuinely been through it, but I am trying to withhold judgement until some more has come out.

One thing I am confused about. This psychiatrist they use, who apparently let Shree and Shabaz in the house aswell saying they were of sane enough mind, why the hell is he still practising?

But she doesn't creep with Jesus cos then she would be too close to Dave

OR not a nosy parker who feels they need to meddle with/dictate with peeps lives..let them get on with and be happy...depending which way you wanna look at it
Nadia has been an out and out pain in the rear this BB and I would not have voted for her to win, she was stroppy and lacked the humour she used to have...not a winning UBB in my book.   But, for whatever reasons she wasn't as self accepting, or the public haven't been as accepting...and she's become more bitter. Easy to say you wouldn't be bitter, harder in practice.

We all KNOW how we would react...we all know bugger all.

MUNG BEANS! Gettit right!
Err, nahh, she will bitch about you but has the decency not to think physical prowess is "kewl" or whatever...Theroux pwns Stallone, after all.
Trufax. Gloreeeeh.....bollox.

Sorry.

S'ok, I'm more worried about you pretending to be a socialist or a total stranger... Wonders will never cease, and all that.

I am a real socialist, who do you think I am, Stalin?

I think you're somewhat to the right of Pinochet and possibly want to have some kind of messed up grudge-coupling with Kim Kardashian...

Margaret Thatcher?

she is incapable of having a reasoned argument and resorts to screeching and shouting. i dont agree with taunting her over her gender issues but at the same time this should not justify the fact she has a nasty streak.

Well, I am.

Do you want me to explain my education on this subject too?

Whoops sorry... wrong Nadia thread