Dont get me wrong I hate what Nadia came home to,  Nadia doesn't deserve that shit.

We can't be blamed for inadvertently pushing someone's buttons, we can't second guess everything we type...but to knowingly do it, to say something that you 100% know will hurt...that's just an act of callousness.

well that makes it all ok!!!

I dont mean to insult others I mean to voice my opinions, if that insults you then tough luck, im not the one going around calling others names.



You say im wrong in my opinions about Nadia, fair enough, thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but please allow me my opinion.

yadda yadda yadda...My opinion is you have been an utter know nothing numpty over the Nadia stuff.

Are you sugesting that our genuine opinions should be silenced in case someone somewhere might get upset.?


I can only speak for myself, I speak as I find rightly or wrongly, but thats not to say that I want to or on purpose want to insult or upset anyone...it's just opinions, we cant all think the same way or be silenced as that is going into a nazi type country and world, and none of us want that.

I think the MODs are gonna have a busy day tomorrow with moving thread into the troll tank

LOL you are a charmer.



But it's just my opinions, no need to get bent out of shape over it.

You have said from the start that Nadia didn't deserve the hate-mail, that is true.

I just wish you'd eke out that compassion a bit further and try to understand her reasons for her gender re-alignment...compassion isn't finite, you won't run out.  Adopting a position just because it's the opposite of what you perceive is the "PC Brigade's" is pretty self defeating.  You're just closing your mind.  Just let folks live and be happy Vids...it's easier all round.

calm  down brow and vids 

Did I say that? I simply meant that to go through trans gender surgery is hard enough. Like it or not we live in a very judgemental world and anything out of the 'ordinary' is viewed suspiciously and talked about.

Nadia chose to make her story very public when she went onto BB ....................it's gonna be a topic of discussion and sadly - it's what defines her. The fact  that she's a nasty bitch is another issue.

 I'd agree with that.Sometimes it's hard not to let comments get to you.Especially when people gang up on you on a quiet Saturday afternoon.'They hunt in packs'.
I guess going on BB all the slagging off etc comes with the territory.But people who carry the hate beyond the studios are seriously fooked up.

Im calm, im not the one getting mad over old posts from weeks ago,  im keeping it as light as I can.

And my previous post is just my opinion.

The only person who is "bent out of shape" over anything to do with Nadia is yourself.

No, I'm not suggesting opinion should be silenced.  Perhaps I didn't explain myself well?

I am saying that if an FM deliberately says something, 100% secure in the knowledge that they are only doing it to hurt and confident that it will hurt...then they should probably shut the hell up.

Like I said, you can't second guess every post you make, or tread on eggshells.  But if someone is being deliberately provocative then maybe they wanna have a word with themselves for being...a bit naff, to be fair

I'm not "getting mad" over it either....  when you say things on a forum it's there for all to see and comment on when they like, and if that happens to be a week, two weeks or a month later, Tough!

Leccy my opinion on this isn't just an anti PC thing, It's just my view, but I would never hate anyone for what or who they are, i'll judge them as a person.


Maybe if I knew someone who was going through this I might have a different view,  but dont put me in the same group as those scumbags who sent Nadia the hate mail, which I know your not meaning to.

Well no, i posted a calm message about my opinion on this issue, the hate and venom against me came from elsewhere, I would have been happy just to give my opinion and leave it at that.

I dont think anyone is doing that Vids, i think people know you are just uneducated on it, dont worry huh

Yes, to agree or disagree with, not to insult or make silly posts to score points with your mates.


I haven't got a problem with disagreement, im used to it, but hate and silly childish insults are not a part of a forum or having debate.

And of course you and everyone who disagrees with my view is educated on this subject.?

Well that certainly isn't where im coming from Leccy, im not into trying to be deliberately provocative,  sadly it comes naturally to me.

Is this in the news about Nardia's property being attacked cos I've looked but can't find anything and most HM's say they don't get home for weeks....

Me? yes, everyone else who disagrees with you? I wouldn't like to say. BUT I do know you are not in the slightest educated on it.

What happened to your being happy to give your opinion and leave it at that, aint you done it yet?

Please tell me your education on this subject.?

Do your own research.

I don't know..I've seen nothing about it either, maybe its not real....

So thats a "no im not educated on this subject" reply from you then.




Well Im sure I will read up on this subject but then if I do you will accuse me of caring too much on this subject so I cant win, but hey ho.

Nadia's best mate Marco said it happened, so it must be true.

No, its not a "no im not educated on this subject" response from me, it's a "I cant be arsed to sit and type to you who is so quick to spout crap when you dont know anything about it" response. I would also not "accuse" you of anything, I couldnt give a monkeys about what you do or dont read.

Hence your reply for me to do my own reserch after asking where your education lays on this subject, that you confidently told me you had.

yes, IF you wanna be educated on it, rather than ask me, do your own homework. I don't care if you choose not too.  My "education" on the matter, certainly has naff all to do with this forum or you.

I thought long and hard before replying to this, but what the hell, I'm just going to come out and say it. Nadia's anger issues are seriously disturbing. She lashes out all guns blazing screaming for all she's worth. My personal opinion is SHE thinks her sexchange was a mistake. 

I can see no other reason for her constant inner turmoil. She seems more like a man than a woman when she really lets rip. There, I said it.

At least i admit on not educated on this subject, but you pretend that you are and then dont back that up with how you know more on this than me. lol


When I asked you how you know about this subject it was a serious question.

Maybe her anger is more to do with the world, and other people in it (you know, the kinda people that still see her as a man, and no matter what ops she has she will always be a man kinda people) and the fact she is "more like a man" when she lets rip...well, I am sure this debate has already been had...male or female...both can have a temper. I have seen women (born women) smack blokes in the face before...Nowt to do with her gender.

 and I should back up how I know stuff on this subject, why? some things should be kept personal, and that, I am afraid Vids is tough on you

I can't see how that would bother her. I can see how Coolio asking if she had a penis would bother her. I still can't f*cking believe he said that (if the stories are true) but she always seems like an accident waiting to happen. The idiocy with Ulrika and the plate. Ulrika never said a word against her remember. Nadia's a tortured soul and seems to me more man than woman.

I'm just calling it as I see it. If that makes me homophobic or transphobic or (insert favourite phobia in here) well so be it.

Prom, the extent to which all of us accept and adopt gender 'stereotypical' behaviours is due to a complex interaction of biological, psychological and sociological factors