You should have spoken to me first

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Dame_Ann_Average

Says it all really

Josie has expressed her regret at nominating JJ this afternoon, after the boxer is confirmed to be facing the public vote.

During this afternoon's 'Nasty Nominations', the 25-year-old poured buckets of 'nasties' over JJ and Andrew. After all housemates had finished nominating, the 23-year-old was confirmed to have received the most votes alongside David, Jo and Mario.

Following Mario's win in the 'Save & Replace' task, Josie told John James that she regretted her choice.

Lying on the back of the sofas, Josie quietly said: "Sorry John. Sorry for doing that to [JJ]." John James replied: "It's alright." He then added: "I'm obviously closer to J than you are. There are some people that I would never have picked out there."

The Australian paused before saying: "I wish that you'd spoken to me about it beforehand." Josie replied: "I couldn't though, could I? My way of thinking was that I didn't want to be responsible for anyone going home."

John James responded: "My way of thinking was that I didn't want anyone that I cared about going home."

Defending herself, Josie told him: "But the difference is that I care about everyone out there." He then said that she could have "ring fenced" certain people to make sure that they weren't chosen.

The Bristolian quietly said: "Yeah, I know," before telling him: "I wish I could just rewind today. If I could do it all again I would."

John James continued to criticise her actions, saying: "It's horrible. Nothing you do or nothing you say will take the guilt away from yourself." Josie sat silently before saying: "I don't think I'll be getting invited round your flat."

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~Lee~Member

Sweet JC he is an absolute control freak,he is the stuff nightmares are made of in a relationship imo.

8/9/103:14 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

It's unbelievable isn't it really, he really thinks he's King of the Castle Lee

8/9/103:16 PM

FairfaxMember

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Sweet JC he is an absolute control freak,he is the stuff nightmares are made of in a relationship imo

He's actually frightening.

8/9/103:17 PM

~Lee~Member

Why is she apologising any road,don't tell me she is a submissive sort of person.

8/9/103:18 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

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Sweet JC he is an absolute control freak,he is the stuff nightmares are made of in a relationship imo.

If I were Josie, I'd run as far away from John James as I could get.

8/9/103:18 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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Why is she apologising any road,don't tell me she is a submissive sort of person

I don't know, but hey ho I did it for 20 odd years, so I know nowt Lee

8/9/103:20 PM

~Lee~Member

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He's actually frightening.

The more I learn the more I feel that he is a control freak,how he records his friends and mother,how he needs to control in the house,gawd I remember him saying his friends come to visit and he just leaves them and sleeps...EVERYTHING has to be on HIS terms.

8/9/103:21 PM

stonksMember

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He's actually frightening.

Really??..You aint met mr stonks then....

8/9/103:22 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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It's classic signs Lee, he's always got to be right and in control, he's never going to make anyone happy, he's not happy himself unless he's in control

8/9/103:23 PM

~Lee~Member

Dame I can't quote....Any road many folk do it,especially when in the grips and control of an abusive control freak,the risk of not towing the line carries too high a price....Josie atm isn't in that situation,if she's any sense she'll be gone asap away from him.

8/9/103:24 PM

FairfaxMember

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You aint met mr stonks then

I'm not going to Sligo and you can't make me.

8/9/103:25 PM

watcher1Member

The Australian paused before saying: "I wish that you'd spoken to me about it beforehand." Josie replied: "I couldn't though, could I?

And there was I, thinking that all that microphone talk and duvet canoodling was about lurrve.

8/9/103:25 PM

~Lee~Member

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He's actually frightening.

It's frightening what the extent of his issues are,he has issues,deep deep seeded issues.

8/9/103:25 PM

spongebob squarepantsMember

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don't tell me she is a submissive sort of person.

i don't think she was lee ....but blokes like john james have a way of manipulating people to their way of thinking..look how in one of their first rows he told her 'you made me do it'....he likes to control everything......and words things in a way that makes the other person feel bad and they end up apologising...........seen it in r/l happen to mates of mine.......strong independant women who become like timid mice around their bloke..........i know she fancies the pants off him........and i like josie....but god i hope she gets away from him once they get out

8/9/103:25 PM

~Lee~Member

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If I were Josie, I'd run as far away from John James as I could get.

TBH Yogi any woman should,the likes of him don't want a partner/wife,they want a darn puppet.

8/9/103:27 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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trong independant women who become like timid mice around their bloke..........i know she fancies the pants off him........and i like josie....but god i hope she gets away from him once they get out

8/9/103:27 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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I know Lee

I just hope her friends sit her down and talk her through some of this, there again I think he'll be off like a shot to be honest.

8/9/103:29 PM

Karma_Member

I really don't think she's as subservient as people think. She's trying everything she can to make him like her now, but I'm still adamant she isn't the total innocent party here. Sure, John James is a manipulative little shit who is VERY good at flitting between victim and persecutor, but in the beginning Josie very easily stood up to him whereas now it's quite cringeworthy the lengths she's going to to appease him and get his attention. And IMO that isn't because she's being fooled, it's cos she's in denial and desperate.

8/9/103:30 PM

Yogi19Member 10 years

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TBH Yogi any woman should,the likes of him don't want a partner/wife,they want a darn puppet.

8/9/103:32 PM

FairfaxMember

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whereas now it's quite cringeworthy the lengths she's going to to appease him and get his attention. And IMO that isn't because she's being fooled, it's cos she's in denial and desperate.

You've just hit the nail on the head Karma

8/9/103:32 PM

~Lee~Member

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I know Spongee,tbh I saw enough ladies try and rebuild their lives after finally escaping the likes of him....He not only said to her she made him do it,he's said that to others as well,refusal to accept ANY responsibility for his actions and offloading it to the other person....Folk like him chip chip chip away at the other person, moulding them to become what THEY want them to be ,he's an emotional parasite she NEEDS to stop doing his dance right now!!

8/9/103:33 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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t's cos she's in denial and desperate.

She's definitely in denial, but he's dangling the string and she can't see the wood for the trees. Watching his body language it's obvious he doesn't fancy her, but she's convinced she had a chance because he keeps saying wait until they get out.

8/9/103:33 PM

~Lee~Member

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I'm shocked Karma,shocked to hear HER apologise to HIM for making her own judgement on something without seeking his approval,bog off Barbie Boy....Either she's more emotionally fragile than we know or it's he's a means to an end of some description.

8/9/103:37 PM

spongebob squarepantsMember

see i think he's completely and knowingly keeping her hanging on...........he knows she fancies the arse off him........he dangles the carrot.'i love you jose'........'i bet you're a screamer in bed'.......the kissing the cuddling the hair stroking........the 'if you don't talk to me i'll leave'......the crying over her.........he's got her exactly where he wants her and he loves it........

occasionally he'll drop in a 'well even if you were my girlfriend i wouldn't care'.that makes her work harder to get his approval......be more submissive to him.he knows exactly what he's doing imo

8/9/103:39 PM

~Lee~Member

Spongee imo he's exactly the type of bloke any girl should avoid like the plague,instead what have we got if the messages on Twitter FB and other places are anything to go by.

8/9/103:42 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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Nail and head, he's the one that's kept it going, how many times as she said she'll move away from him, Then he starts, I don;t want that, I want to stay in your bed, I'm leaving if we fall out because I can't cope... the sooner she gets her head around how he's treating her the better.

8/9/103:46 PM

Karma_Member

Yep totally agree he knows exactly what he's doing. But I think deep down she knows he isn't really interested, but is hoping that she's wrong. When it started getting more intimate with those 2 I could completely understand why she'd be confused, but now he's just playing games, her need to get his attention by making him jealous or her anger at him not sticking up for her against Sam says it all. She strikes me as quite a self-assertive person, and I would have thought had this all happened on the outside with some fella down the pub she would have told him where to get off ages ago. Of course I could be wrong but hmmm, I don't think so.

She needs to watch Sleeping with the Enemy

8/9/103:52 PM

spongebob squarepantsMember

unfortunately dame josie won't be able to see it....not now at any rate..........maybe it'll be different when she gets out.........but atm his 'if you don't talk to me/share a bed with me i'll leave' stuff just makes her think he wants and needs her.........it's him getting her where he wants her though,more under his control......

8/9/103:53 PM

~Lee~Member

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She needs to watch Sleeping with the Enemy

Karma I joke not that film came into my head about him,if they ever make a remake look no further than Barbie Boy and he won't even have to act.

8/9/103:54 PM

watcher1Member

The problem with Josie is that she's been outwitted by JJ. I think that they both had the same game plan (enter faux romance stage left) but JJ also had contingencies (cue JJ2 & other HMs stage right). She hasn't carved out an alternative role for herself in the house and it may now be too late to do so.

8/9/103:55 PM

Karma_Member

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She hasn't carved out an alternative role for herself in the house and it may now be too late to do so.

Mahoooooosive nail on very big head!!

8/9/103:59 PM

Karma_Member

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Karma I joke not that film came into my head about him,if they ever make a remake look no further than Barbie Boy and he won't even have to act.

I saw that film when it was too late

8/9/104:00 PM

stonksMember

They are not even GF and BF and as soon as their out they won't be together again....

8/9/104:00 PM

stonksMember

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I'm not going to Sligo and you can't make me.

He's a Virgo like JJ1 so just need putting in his place....

8/9/104:01 PM

Dame_Ann_AverageMember VIP10 years

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I know Spongey, and hopefully he'll be on the first plane out of here, it would be the best thing for her. She's definitely hanging on to no hope. Even if he was in the slightest interested, she'd be better giving the heave ho as soon as she looks back at the tapes.

8/9/104:02 PM

suzybeanMember

hahahahaha....rewind to week 1 or 2 when JJ1 broke down in tears because Josie 'made him' loose his temper by simply standing up to him. Twonk!

8/9/104:03 PM

Starfleet Admiral hoochieMember 10 years

There may be another view - they are in a symbiotic relationship ...they need each other for the air time. Josie seems quite level-headed ....she deals with his tantrums quite effectively. Maybe she's just decided to let him do his thing...meanwhile she'll quietly do hers, suck her thumb and hug everybody - and win.

8/9/104:06 PM

Karma_Member

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hahahahaha....rewind to week 1 or 2 when JJ1 broke down in tears because Josie 'made him' loose his temper by simply standing up to him. Twonk!

I've done so much work on domestic violence/abuse/control (and still doing work on it) - so easy to spot the signs. There are those who are victims and those who like to play the victim. JJ1 is indeed the latter when it comes to emotional manipulation.

8/9/104:07 PM

Karma_Member

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Kinda in the same field as what I was getting at.

8/9/104:08 PM

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