This pope they say lacks any Charisma as he's seen mainly as a deep scholar type,not people friendy etc.
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My aunt is off to see him at Ballahouston Park in Glasgow,she is 70 an old school Catholic.She sings in the church choir and her and her grand daughter will be singing in the choir...I ain't going I'm lapsed...escapee etc.
The OH's mum is going to see him in Cofton Park, Brum. She's 'proper' Catholic too, and plays piano in her church.I was baptised one at birth, but that's as far as it ever went.
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Unfortunately, yes.
"Fortunately" don't you mean? 
I was at JP2's Yoof Gig in Cardiff, 28 years ago.
I was 17 at the time and believed in God, but not the stupid rules.
Pope Benny has inspired apathy in Cafflicks, from the moment the white smoke appeared.
Voting him in was a Cardinal sin.
I was 17 at the time and believed in God, but not the stupid rules.
Pope Benny has inspired apathy in Cafflicks, from the moment the white smoke appeared.
Voting him in was a Cardinal sin.
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ame_Ann_averageThe BBC have just said the Queen invited him El Loro, so either the Mail or BBC are wrong.
I don't usually bash the BBC but can't they sort this out?BBC: The ex-PM invited Pope
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8271556.stm
BBC: The Queen invited Pope
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/le..._8579000/8579900.stm
I presume Gordon would have had to have had permission from Queenie, before he invited Benny on a state visit.
Who is Benny?
Benny-dicked 
I would have paid good money to go and see Pope Joan.
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I would have paid good money to go and see Pope Joan.
I would have paid good money to see you do that. You will have to make do with the film they are making. 
Re who invited the pope - GB or the Queen.
Per Wiki re a State visit:
A state visit is a formal visit by a foreign head of state to another nation, at the invitation of that nation's head of state. State visits are the highest form of diplomatic contact between two nations, and are marked by ceremonial pomp and diplomatic protocol. In parliamentary democracies, heads of state may formally issue and accept invitations. However, they do so on the consent of their governments, who usually agree together on when the invitation is to be issued or accepted in advance
As far as I can tell, based on the dates shown on the BBC links above, GB initiated the invite, then presumably requested the Queen in one of their private meeting to make this a state visit by asking her to invite the pope. But in all probability, this was something which had been discussed between GB and the Queen before he spoke to the pope, We will never know unless GB decides to tell the world.
Per Wiki re a State visit:
A state visit is a formal visit by a foreign head of state to another nation, at the invitation of that nation's head of state. State visits are the highest form of diplomatic contact between two nations, and are marked by ceremonial pomp and diplomatic protocol. In parliamentary democracies, heads of state may formally issue and accept invitations. However, they do so on the consent of their governments, who usually agree together on when the invitation is to be issued or accepted in advance
As far as I can tell, based on the dates shown on the BBC links above, GB initiated the invite, then presumably requested the Queen in one of their private meeting to make this a state visit by asking her to invite the pope. But in all probability, this was something which had been discussed between GB and the Queen before he spoke to the pope, We will never know unless GB decides to tell the world.
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You will have to make do with the film they are making
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I would have paid good money to see you do that
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I hadn't realised they were making a film about it, I bet that's not going down too well with the Church.
yes I think you are right 
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I presume Gordon would have had to have had permission from Queenie, before he invited Benny on a state visit.
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Surely there is apathy towards the C of E also?
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they weren't being charged for the priviledge that time.
They're being charged?? 
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I like to call her Lizzie
Good call! *** does funny wave ***
My mum said she'll go and see him pass by Twickenham but, in her words, "I'm not bloody paying to go to Mass" (followed by angry frown and Catherine Tate Nan face)
I am not religious and this pope doesn't interest me in any way. Saying that I would have loved to have seen Pope John Paul. There seemed to be something about him that this one seriously lacks.
Trouble 'at Mill !
Pope Benedict XVI flies in amid row over aide's race remarks
Pope Benedict XVI . . . under suspicion by 'Old Catholics'. Photograph: Alberto Pizzoli/AFP/Getty Images
Pope Benedict XVI flies in amid row over aide's race remarks
Pope Benedict XVI . . . under suspicion by 'Old Catholics'. Photograph: Alberto Pizzoli/AFP/Getty Images The pope's visit to the UK is mired in controversy after one of Benedict XVI's senior advisers dropped out after comparing an arrival in multicultural Britain to landing "in a third-world country".
Cardinal Walter Kasper â the Vatican's leading expert on relations with the Church of England â also accused the UK of discriminating against Christians.
The cardinal's remarks, made hours before the papal party was due to land in Edinburgh this morning, came in an interview with the German news magazine Focus, in which he noted that Britain was a "secular, pluralistic" country.
Asked by the magazine whether Christians were discriminated against in the UK, Kasper replied: "Yes. Above all, an aggressive new atheism has spread through Britain. If, for example, you wear a cross on British Airways, you are discriminated against."
Kasper appears to have been referring to events in 2006, when BA was embroiled in a bitter row after taking disciplinary action against an airport worker who refused to cover up a necklace carrying a cross which she wore outside her uniform.
The cardinal's comments on "aggressive" atheism drew an angry response from secular campaigners who said the UK did not need a "lecture" on religious freedom and belief from the Vatican â but were welcomed by some Christians.
The rest you can read here http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...ict-xvi-aide-remarks
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Saying that I would have loved to have seen Pope John Paul. There seemed to be something about him that this one seriously lacks.
personality? humanity? 
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Asked by the magazine whether Christians were discriminated against in the UK, Kasper replied: "Yes. Above all, an aggressive new atheism has spread through Britain. If, for example, you wear a cross on British Airways, you are discriminated against."
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I know 
Someone please tell the twit that ALL necklaces were prohibited for BA desk staff, in case a nutter tried to throttle them. That particular woman just went public to make an issue out of a situation where there wasn't one.
I don't understand this "aggressive" atheism claptrap. Atheists don't set up missions all over the world to try to convert the locals, or tell people they'll suffer eternal damnation unless they change their ways.
"First, I must say that these revelations have been a shock for me, not only a great sadness. It is difficult to understand how this perversion of the priestly ministry was possible."
Said the Pope a few hours ago
God if only he had been in charge of the dept that looked into these things it would have been different
he would have spoken out and not silenced people for * the 'good of the universal Church'
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Said the Pope a few hours ago
God if only he had been in charge of the dept that looked into these things it would have been different
he would have spoken out and not silenced people for * the 'good of the universal Church'*edited to add the
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God if only he had been in charge of the dept that looked into these things it would have been different he would have spoken out and not silenced people for 'good of the universal Church'
Or moved the culprits around to new parishes, or threatened/bribed the victims.
He is so going to the bad fire.
I'm particularly enjoying the Daily Mail's coverage of it all. Apparently, we should treat him with respect and be hospitable as we should all foreign visitors to our country.
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I'm particularly enjoying the Daily Mail's coverage of it all. Apparently, we should treat him with respect and be hospitable as we should all foreign visitors to our country.
as long as they have return tickets, presumably!
His own brother was one of the priests accused of abuse several years ago - and he didn't know?
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Apparently, we should treat him with respect and be hospitable as we should all foreign visitors to our country
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I'm particularly enjoying the Daily Mail's coverage of it all. Apparently, we should treat him with respect and be hospitable as we should all foreign visitors to our country.
So imprison him without charge and send him to guantanamo (SP) bay in an orange jump suit??
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His own brother was one of the priests accused of abuse several years ago - and he didn't know?
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His own brother was one of the priests accused of abuse several years ago - and he didn't know?
Yes, but that was 'just' physical abuse, apparently!
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We are told to be tolerant of other religions.
Sorry, I've just come in from work and haven't read all the thread. On the other hand LL some religions aren't tolerant of ours or our beliefs either, so I guess you could say it works both ways.
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As part society we have and go on state visits its not rocket science. I have more issue with the fact that the man is Perhaps responsible for the covering up of the rape and abuse of children. I think that is a much easier thing to be out raged at.The OP seems more to like moaning at the fact that he is catholic.
"Nothing personal -but who on earth wants and believes in a papal blessing anyway?" I highly provocative statement.
You are absolutely right - that is a very provocative statement and one that I must apologise for. Perhaps I should have asked, just as a matter of interest, what is so special about a papal blessing. Because actually I am genuinely curious. So please if I have offended anyone I do apologise cos it was a bit crass."Nothing personal -but who on earth wants and believes in a papal blessing anyway?" I highly provocative statement.
I do have a problem with the catholic faith - BUT I have a problem with any religion that imposes strict rules and regulations on it's followers and for reasons listed here already
But as you say so rightly he does have a right to go on State visits.
I still maintain that in these harsh times it is a bit steep for tax payers to be footing the bill. BUT I would say that if any head of state were to visit with all the pomp and circumstance at this time.
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Absolutely onetoo. In some countries christians are still being persecuted, abused, and even killed. Effigies of Jesus are burned and Christianity itself is on the verge of being wiped out - well perhaps not on the verge but it could well happen. Whether you are a christian or not, this cannot be right and cannot be allowed to happen. Tolerance and respect does indeed work both ways.
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Absolutely onetoo. In some countries christians are still being persecuted, abused, and even killed. Effigies of Jesus are burned and Christianity itself is on the verge of being wiped out - well perhaps not on the verge but it could well happen. Whether you are a christian or not, this cannot be right and cannot be allowed to happen. Tolerance and respect does indeed work both ways.
Why the hell not? I'm not a Christian and I couldn't give a toss if it was "wiped out". Glad you added your qualification though cause it ain't on the verge of anything yet. Mores the pity.