He is indeed, been watching MJ interviews all day how anyone can accuse him of all that baffles me makes me hate this wicked and evil world we live in where everyman is out for themselves and themselves alone.... The man was a sensitive soul... True talent like this comes once in a decade or 3... I will always have him in my heart...quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Heartfelt words there....quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
In my opinion it is a total tragedy. The guy was super-talented but appeared never to be truly happy. I dont believe he ever molested any children. I think if he did, no stone would have been left unturned to prove it. I know that I would not accept a penny from someone who abused one of my children, rather than go to court. I believe these people were evil and jealous and wanted a slice of what MJ had worked so hard all his life to get. He was a child himself in many ways. He never had a proper childhood so tried to create his own in later life. I also totally believed every word he uttered, when he refuted all the claims on the videos shown on tv. These are my beliefs and my beliefs only. I cannot prove if I am right or wrong. I think it was a very sad day when Michael Jackson died. He was a genuine superstar. rip MJ. XXX
Its how I feel PCE Very Very sad. He was a genius.
quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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...I have always said that I liked his music when he was with the Jackson 5 and I liked his music right up until the court case...I am not saying he was innocent and I am not saying he was guilty coz I dont personally know the man and I have no right to judge but he did fall off my pedastal and that is the only way I can describe it...and I respect the posts on here that want to respect him and I also respect the posts on here who do not respect because I respect peoples feelings wether I agree with them or not..thats the difference..accepting others views on here with respect..Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:I saw on some thing on the internet, some idiot (I would like to use a much stronger word but will be thrown out if i do so on here!) saying MJ was "no better than Ian Huntley"!!!!!!!!!!!!quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
In my opinion it is a total tragedy. The guy was super-talented but appeared never to be truly happy. I dont believe he ever molested any children. I think if he did, no stone would have been left unturned to prove it. I know that I would not accept a penny from someone who abused one of my children, rather than go to court. I believe these people were evil and jealous and wanted a slice of what MJ had worked so hard all his life to get. He was a child himself in many ways. He never had a proper childhood so tried to create his own in later life. I also totally believed every word he uttered, when he refuted all the claims on the videos shown on tv. These are my beliefs and my beliefs only. I cannot prove if I am right or wrong. I think it was a very sad day when Michael Jackson died. He was a genuine superstar. rip MJ. XXX
I agree..the accusations were all lies.
Some folk can be really cruel when it comes to money.
MJ will be missed..
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Once they are dead I will doubt they give a shit what is said about them...
quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Once they are dead I will doubt they give a shit what is said about them...
As long as they don't say that I disappointed Anne Widecombe I agree with Ennis.
quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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I can understand that some folk have their doubts to the mans innocence regarding the abuse case...but I honestly believe that if the accusations were true would not the parents have refused the money and gone for a court case..I know for a fact I would and I know that you would too as would many others on here..
I'm a big fan of Nirvana, I was upset when Kurt died...I did not demand that everyone respected him, I don't get upset when people joke about him and I don't have some weird/creepy sense of "ownership" over him.
He was a flawed man...we are all flawed. I'm not gonna put anyone on a pedestal. Ever.
He was a flawed man...we are all flawed. I'm not gonna put anyone on a pedestal. Ever.
GJAnd just as an after thought PCE, for someone who professes to be a Christian and doesn't speak ill of the dead including Hitler, that seems like a rather hypocritical statement to make
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
QUOTE]Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Very Christian of you I must say.
I'm fairly sure last time I checked that two wrongs don't make a right. Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....[/QUOTE]quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
That'll be the turn the other cheek Christian charity approach you've been telling us about for the last couple of days then?
But the family they leave behind will! I feel desperately sorry for MJ's kids and his siblings and mother. The pics of LaToyah and Jermaine I have seen in the papers are heartbreaking. When LaToyah was in the BB house she seemed a totally lovely person with not a bad bone in her body. I accept people die every day and they all leave families behind, but when someone is in the spotlight and horrid things are said about a loved one that has passed, it does make me wonder about the world we live in. The jokes started almost as soon as the poor guy was pronounced dead.quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Once they are dead I will doubt they give a shit what is said about them...
When I die, if anyone says I've squandered hundreds of millions of dollars of trivia, made myself look like a freak through plastic surgery, and got addicted to prescription drugs then I'm pretty sure most people who know me will laugh.
quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:But the family they leave behind will! I feel desperately sorry for MJ's kids and his siblings and mother. The pics of LaToyah and Jermaine I have seen in the papers are heartbreaking. When LaToyah was in the BB house she seemed a totally lovely person with not a bad bone in her body. I accept people die every day and they all leave families behind, but when someone is in the spotlight and horrid things are said about a loved one that has passed, it does make me wonder about the world we live in. The jokes started almost as soon as the poor guy was pronounced dead.quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Once they are dead I will doubt they give a shit what is said about them...
With celebrity and money comes the flip side, not everyone will love you and hold you in high esteem. People in the spotlight should accept this, as should their families.
And besides, I would imagine the Jackson family have got better things to do at the moment that trawl the internet reading what people think of MJ. Plus I doubt that any of their friends are texting them the latest MJ gags.
quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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I can understand that some folk have their doubts to the mans innocence regarding the abuse case...but I honestly believe that if the accusations were true would not the parents have refused the money and gone for a court case..I know for a fact I would and I know that you would too as would many others on here..
I said that yesterday. The 22 million they were given was 20 mill for the lad and 1 mill each for the parents.....I find that really odd. I have read today that apparently the father phoned MJ to say he knew what he had been upto and said he wanted 20 million from him, he never phoned the police first......what type of parents are these
quote:Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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I can understand that some folk have their doubts to the mans innocence regarding the abuse case...but I honestly believe that if the accusations were true would not the parents have refused the money and gone for a court case..I know for a fact I would and I know that you would too as would many others on here..
I said that yesterday. The 22 million they were given was 20 mill for the lad and 1 mill each for the parents.....I find that really odd. I have read today that apparently the father phoned MJ to say he knew what he had been upto and said he wanted 20 million from him, he never phoned the police first......what type of parents are these
should have added I read it in the news of the world so who knows the truth
quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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I can understand that some folk have their doubts to the mans innocence regarding the abuse case...but I honestly believe that if the accusations were true would not the parents have refused the money and gone for a court case..I know for a fact I would and I know that you would too as would many others on here..
I really cant answer if he was innocent or not and really thats not the issue with me, the issue as I explained, was that he fell off the pedastal I had placed him on, I really idolised him and I had made him perfect in my eyes, and I have never put anyone on a pedastal since!
One of the more amusing news items this morning.... They said that the family had been so worried about him that they considered seeking help. When my son was seriously ill I actually got help.
It's all very well spinning and backtracking now but it seems to me that MJ was a victim, without friends or family.
It's all very well spinning and backtracking now but it seems to me that MJ was a victim, without friends or family.
I didn't touch him... 
Still dont make it right tho' - imoquote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:But the family they leave behind will! I feel desperately sorry for MJ's kids and his siblings and mother. The pics of LaToyah and Jermaine I have seen in the papers are heartbreaking. When LaToyah was in the BB house she seemed a totally lovely person with not a bad bone in her body. I accept people die every day and they all leave families behind, but when someone is in the spotlight and horrid things are said about a loved one that has passed, it does make me wonder about the world we live in. The jokes started almost as soon as the poor guy was pronounced dead.quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Once they are dead I will doubt they give a shit what is said about them...
With celebrity and money comes the flip side, not everyone will love you and hold you in high esteem. People in the spotlight should accept this, as should their families.
And besides, I would imagine the Jackson family have got better things to do at the moment that trawl the internet reading what people think of MJ. Plus I doubt that any of their friends are texting them the latest MJ gags.
quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
For me its a sad shock...his whole life is quite sad really in retrospect.
No one expect you to or do they? Just by typing some words?
Death is death (the end) last chance to say goodbye so to speak ....whomever
This world is a wicked place full of heartless people... It saddens me a great deal... Hopefully the Jacksons dont see these blogs...quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:But the family they leave behind will! I feel desperately sorry for MJ's kids and his siblings and mother. The pics of LaToyah and Jermaine I have seen in the papers are heartbreaking. When LaToyah was in the BB house she seemed a totally lovely person with not a bad bone in her body. I accept people die every day and they all leave families behind, but when someone is in the spotlight and horrid things are said about a loved one that has passed, it does make me wonder about the world we live in. The jokes started almost as soon as the poor guy was pronounced dead.quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Some people have been making insensitive remarks, I hope when they die people will make those remarks about them too....
Once they are dead I will doubt they give a shit what is said about them...
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
I'm a big fan of Nirvana, I was upset when Kurt died...I did not demand that everyone respected him, I don't get upset when people joke about him and I don't have some weird/creepy sense of "ownership" over him.
He was a flawed man...we are all flawed. I'm not gonna put anyone on a pedestal. Ever.
nor am I...once bitten twice shy
quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:I saw on some thing on the internet, some idiot (I would like to use a much stronger word but will be thrown out if i do so on here!) saying MJ was "no better than Ian Huntley"!!!!!!!!!!!!quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
In my opinion it is a total tragedy. The guy was super-talented but appeared never to be truly happy. I dont believe he ever molested any children. I think if he did, no stone would have been left unturned to prove it. I know that I would not accept a penny from someone who abused one of my children, rather than go to court. I believe these people were evil and jealous and wanted a slice of what MJ had worked so hard all his life to get. He was a child himself in many ways. He never had a proper childhood so tried to create his own in later life. I also totally believed every word he uttered, when he refuted all the claims on the videos shown on tv. These are my beliefs and my beliefs only. I cannot prove if I am right or wrong. I think it was a very sad day when Michael Jackson died. He was a genuine superstar. rip MJ. XXX
I agree..the accusations were all lies.
Some folk can be really cruel when it comes to money.
MJ will be missed..
nobody really knows what went on behind the proverbial closed doors, its a case of either you believed mj or didn't, but to say because he was who he was negates the possibility of guilt may be a bit naive, would anyone let thier child share a bed with a man in his forties, for instance joe the plumber down the road, of course not, its unthinkable, then why let mj do it, was it for money, or maybe these people just thought, its micheal jackson, he wouldn't do that.......whatever you believe one thing he was guilty of was unimaginable stupidity, after he paid jordan chandler an estimated 20 million dollars...which is no small sum even for him, he still carried on taking young children into his bed. would anyone not think that someone must have said to him 'hey mike you just lost 20 million bucks by doing this, its not a good idead' or maybe someone might have said 'hey mike if you want to help kids there are myriad ways of doing it that doesn't involve sleeping with them'....like i said, i have no idea of his innocence or guilt but he was a very strange man...my words here do not reflect on micheal jackson the performer who i thought was brilliant and his death was probably a lot more of a tragedy than we know but i think it will become clearer in the weeks and months to come
quote:Originally posted by Mentalist:
Why is there only two options, respect and disrespect, where is the blatantly uninterested choice? I don't respect MJ but that doesn't mean I disrespect him, I just don't care.
with you on this one, yep he was 'talented' yes he was a pop icon, all very well IF you are interested in 'pop music' I never have been,
and for the life of me I cant understand the mass hysteria over his death, does the death of a pop star REALLY warant 2 DAYS of banket coverage by the major news channels???
I do object when others demand our grief Bagel. It's ours to offer not theirs to take.quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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This is the wrong place for " what's the difference between the England cricket team and Janet Jackson......?" isn't it?
Yep, thought so.
I found it very easy to express what I thought of MJ before he died...and it wasn't good....but am sitting on my hands and typing with my toes since he died.
I had zero respect for him, but understand some do ....however it's a free world folks, criticise him or laud him. But telling others how to react is futile and just adds to the disproportionate outpouring of mourn porn that we are witnessing on the news.
Yep, thought so.
I found it very easy to express what I thought of MJ before he died...and it wasn't good....but am sitting on my hands and typing with my toes since he died.
I had zero respect for him, but understand some do ....however it's a free world folks, criticise him or laud him. But telling others how to react is futile and just adds to the disproportionate outpouring of mourn porn that we are witnessing on the news.
Im sure he is not the only Celeb to buy things with his money... Body dysmoprhic disorder is a condition suffered by many, some people have it worse than others... He started with the pain killers to numb the pain from his broken vertebra...quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
When I die, if anyone says I've squandered hundreds of millions of dollars of trivia, made myself look like a freak through plastic surgery, and got addicted to prescription drugs then I'm pretty sure most people who know me will laugh.
He was only human like all of us, imagine being ridiculed like that?
quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:I do object when others demand our grief Bagel. It's ours to offer not theirs to take.quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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I am not grieving on demand..I can not grieve for someone I have never met or spoken to..impossible for me to
*Agrees with Bagel, Captain, FZ and all the other rational people*
I do not believe he was innocent because of who he was. Like I said; it is MY opinion. Like I have always believed The McCanns had nothing whatsoever to do with the disappearance of Madeleine. I do not know them either. It is just the opinion you take of someone, going by how they come across to you personally.I also think that taking money instead of getting justice for your own child, if you truly believe such a crime was committed would not even enter your head. No matter how much you were offered.quote:Originally posted by Rekaf:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:I saw on some thing on the internet, some idiot (I would like to use a much stronger word but will be thrown out if i do so on here!) saying MJ was "no better than Ian Huntley"!!!!!!!!!!!!quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
In my opinion it is a total tragedy. The guy was super-talented but appeared never to be truly happy. I dont believe he ever molested any children. I think if he did, no stone would have been left unturned to prove it. I know that I would not accept a penny from someone who abused one of my children, rather than go to court. I believe these people were evil and jealous and wanted a slice of what MJ had worked so hard all his life to get. He was a child himself in many ways. He never had a proper childhood so tried to create his own in later life. I also totally believed every word he uttered, when he refuted all the claims on the videos shown on tv. These are my beliefs and my beliefs only. I cannot prove if I am right or wrong. I think it was a very sad day when Michael Jackson died. He was a genuine superstar. rip MJ. XXX
I agree..the accusations were all lies.
Some folk can be really cruel when it comes to money.
MJ will be missed..
nobody really knows what went on behind the proverbial closed doors, its a case of either you believed mj or didn't, but to say because he was who he was negates the possibility of guilt may be a bit naive, would anyone let thier child share a bed with a man in his forties, for instance joe the plumber down the road, of course not, its unthinkable, then why let mj do it, was it for money, or maybe these people just thought, its micheal jackson, he wouldn't do that.......whatever you believe one thing he was guilty of was unimaginable stupidity, after he paid jordan chandler an estimated 20 million dollars...which is no small sum even for him, he still carried on taking young children into his bed. would anyone not think that someone must have said to him 'hey mike you just lost 20 million bucks by doing this, its not a good idead' or maybe someone might have said 'hey mike if you want to help kids there are myriad ways of doing it that doesn't involve sleeping with them'....like i said, i have no idea of his innocence or guilt but he was a very strange man...my words here do not reflect on micheal jackson the performer who i thought was brilliant and his death was probably a lot more of a tragedy than we know but i think it will become clearer in the weeks and months to come
quote:Originally posted by Rekaf:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:I saw on some thing on the internet, some idiot (I would like to use a much stronger word but will be thrown out if i do so on here!) saying MJ was "no better than Ian Huntley"!!!!!!!!!!!!quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
In my opinion it is a total tragedy. The guy was super-talented but appeared never to be truly happy. I dont believe he ever molested any children. I think if he did, no stone would have been left unturned to prove it. I know that I would not accept a penny from someone who abused one of my children, rather than go to court. I believe these people were evil and jealous and wanted a slice of what MJ had worked so hard all his life to get. He was a child himself in many ways. He never had a proper childhood so tried to create his own in later life. I also totally believed every word he uttered, when he refuted all the claims on the videos shown on tv. These are my beliefs and my beliefs only. I cannot prove if I am right or wrong. I think it was a very sad day when Michael Jackson died. He was a genuine superstar. rip MJ. XXX
I agree..the accusations were all lies.
Some folk can be really cruel when it comes to money.
MJ will be missed..
nobody really knows what went on behind the proverbial closed doors, its a case of either you believed mj or didn't, but to say because he was who he was negates the possibility of guilt may be a bit naive, would anyone let thier child share a bed with a man in his forties, for instance joe the plumber down the road, of course not, its unthinkable, then why let mj do it, was it for money, or maybe these people just thought, its micheal jackson, he wouldn't do that.......whatever you believe one thing he was guilty of was unimaginable stupidity, after he paid jordan chandler an estimated 20 million dollars...which is no small sum even for him, he still carried on taking young children into his bed. would anyone not think that someone must have said to him 'hey mike you just lost 20 million bucks by doing this, its not a good idead' or maybe someone might have said 'hey mike if you want to help kids there are myriad ways of doing it that doesn't involve sleeping with them'....like i said, i have no idea of his innocence or guilt but he was a very strange man...my words here do not reflect on micheal jackson the performer who i thought was brilliant and his death was probably a lot more of a tragedy than we know but i think it will become clearer in the weeks and months to come
That is very good analysis rekaf.....that is what I wondered sometimes, was there no one there to tell him its wrong to sleep in the same bed with children he's not related to,(even related to ...is a no no most of the time after a certain age), his brothers, mother etc.
And then all that plastic surgery....why? why? why?
He was someones son brother not everybody liked him or have to respect him and that is a very fair comment, I dont like everyone but I have more respect than to make sick jokes about them if they died, and I dont mean funny ha ha jokes I mean disgusting ones ,but we are all different I find it really sad if you dont like someone some people have to resort to this behaviour its not clever in my opinion just sad
quote:Originally posted by fz:
This is the wrong place for " what's the difference between the England cricket team and Janet Jackson......?" isn't it?
Yep, thought so.
I found it very easy to express what I thought of MJ before he died...and it wasn't good....but am sitting on my hands and typing with my toes since he died.
I had zero respect for him, but understand some do ....however it's a free world folks, criticise him or laud him. But telling others how to react is futile and just adds to the disproportionate outpouring of morn porn that we are witnessing on the news.
hehe "morn porn " luv it
quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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I can understand that some folk have their doubts to the mans innocence regarding the abuse case...but I honestly believe that if the accusations were true would not the parents have refused the money and gone for a court case..I know for a fact I would and I know that you would too as would many others on here..
I really cant answer if he was innocent or not and really thats not the issue with me, the issue as I explained, was that he fell off the pedastal I had placed him on, I really idolised him and I had made him perfect in my eyes, and I have never put anyone on a pedastal since!
It is a shame when we realise that the person we hold in great esteem has flaws..but everyone has them....Even my Dad.. (although he would never admit it)
Well said
quote:Originally posted by Marguerita:
He was someones son brother not everybody liked him or have to respect him and that is a very fair comment, I dont like everyone but I have more respect than to make sick jokes about them if they died, and I dont mean funny ha ha jokes I mean disgusting ones ,but we are all different I find it really sad if you dont like someone some people have to resort to this behaviour its not clever in my opinion just sad
quote:Originally posted by slimfern:
It is a shame when we realise that the person we hold in great esteem has flaws..but everyone has them....Even my Dad.. (although he would never admit it)
I have too many flaws to mention and I have fallen off a many a pedastal but hey ho
quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:I do object when others demand our grief Bagel. It's ours to offer not theirs to take.quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by captain marbles:
I've no intention of disrespecting him if it causes needless offence but on the other hand I resent having my emotional response commandeered by others who take it for granted that I am grieving for someone I do not know.
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Imo, one should respect death, give it time, don't think there was a demand for respect if there was, then it must be an emotional one and that should be taken into account.
I also lost my respect for him a long time ago, but I am uncomfortable with the blatant 'disrespect' for want of a better word. Same case with Jade, I did not like the woman nor respect her, but kept my mouth stump through out the process of others grieving for her.
quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:I do not believe he was innocent because of who he was. Like I said; it is MY opinion. Like I have always believed The McCanns had nothing whatsoever to do with the disappearance of Madeleine. I do not know them either. It is just the opinion you take of someone, going by how they come across to you personally.I also think that taking money instead of getting justice for your own child, if you truly believe such a crime was committed would not even enter your head. No matter how much you were offered.quote:Originally posted by Rekaf:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:I saw on some thing on the internet, some idiot (I would like to use a much stronger word but will be thrown out if i do so on here!) saying MJ was "no better than Ian Huntley"!!!!!!!!!!!!quote:Originally posted by slimfern:quote:Originally posted by Little Miss Spurs:
In my opinion it is a total tragedy. The guy was super-talented but appeared never to be truly happy. I dont believe he ever molested any children. I think if he did, no stone would have been left unturned to prove it. I know that I would not accept a penny from someone who abused one of my children, rather than go to court. I believe these people were evil and jealous and wanted a slice of what MJ had worked so hard all his life to get. He was a child himself in many ways. He never had a proper childhood so tried to create his own in later life. I also totally believed every word he uttered, when he refuted all the claims on the videos shown on tv. These are my beliefs and my beliefs only. I cannot prove if I am right or wrong. I think it was a very sad day when Michael Jackson died. He was a genuine superstar. rip MJ. XXX
I agree..the accusations were all lies.
Some folk can be really cruel when it comes to money.
MJ will be missed..
nobody really knows what went on behind the proverbial closed doors, its a case of either you believed mj or didn't, but to say because he was who he was negates the possibility of guilt may be a bit naive, would anyone let thier child share a bed with a man in his forties, for instance joe the plumber down the road, of course not, its unthinkable, then why let mj do it, was it for money, or maybe these people just thought, its micheal jackson, he wouldn't do that.......whatever you believe one thing he was guilty of was unimaginable stupidity, after he paid jordan chandler an estimated 20 million dollars...which is no small sum even for him, he still carried on taking young children into his bed. would anyone not think that someone must have said to him 'hey mike you just lost 20 million bucks by doing this, its not a good idead' or maybe someone might have said 'hey mike if you want to help kids there are myriad ways of doing it that doesn't involve sleeping with them'....like i said, i have no idea of his innocence or guilt but he was a very strange man...my words here do not reflect on micheal jackson the performer who i thought was brilliant and his death was probably a lot more of a tragedy than we know but i think it will become clearer in the weeks and months to come
yes, its your opinion and i respect that, the mccanns are different, its thier child thats gone missing, but i accept the point about believing someone or not, but my point about fame....in this case....still stands, if joe the plumber from 3 streets away had behaved in the same way, would he be allowed to do it again, i think not......as to your last point about accepting money if you believed your child was a victim, i agree with you completely....
quote:Originally posted by hal:
That is very good analysis rekaf.....that is what I wondered sometimes, was there no one there to tell him its wrong to sleep in the same bed with children he's not related to,(even related to ...is a no no most of the time after a certain age), his brothers, mother etc.
And then all that plastic surgery....why? why? why?
I was also chatting about this last night with some friends and agree with you both.
We came to the conclusion that when you are that famous you must be surrounded by a group of 'yes men' who will just agree with you or seek to facilitate whatever behaviour you indulge in.
Regardless of whether you have sexual designs on children or not, sleeping with them like he admitted he did was inappropriate in the least
quote:Originally posted by Bagel Queen:quote:Originally posted by slimfern:
It is a shame when we realise that the person we hold in great esteem has flaws..but everyone has them....Even my Dad.. (although he would never admit it)
I have too many flaws to mention and I have fallen off a many a pedastal but hey ho
Is that before or after the 'Many a drink'..