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Originally posted by Jeanoj:

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Originally posted by tupps:

No.. not whatever..there is a world of difference between your inference that he went out and told Bea that Freddie was laughing at HER and him saying he is laughing in there. One infers.. no states.. that Freddie was directly mocking Bea (without any knowledge if that was the case) in a shit stirring way and one is stating a fact.

I give up - as I don't think we will ever agree and we had a great time last year supporting Rex. So I shall just say let's agree to differ?

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Firstly.. this evening I watched the LF from last night.. so no more top trumps on that score huh.

Secondly.. I'm not disputing she slagged Freddie off.. and while she may not have couched it in the most flattering terms.. when someone has right royally ****ed you off you are hardly likely to. I defy anyone here who has fallen out with someone to say they haven't thought/said/felt the same things. She thinks he is a twat. NEWSFLASH: she is not the only person to do so.

Thirdly.. we know from the Dave incident that Freddie can, if he has a mind, be a right royal twat. He can jump on things and like a Jack bleedin' Russell gnaw at them ad nauseum.

I don't hate Freddie... but I can see his bliddy faults..

I see his faults too Tupps... we would have to be blind not to see all their faults when their on our tv every night. Last night was something else. Bea was goading Marcus with Freddies name, went on and on about what she thought of him, the guy wasn't there he was SNORING in bed. First they stole from under his bed, then went back and banged the drawer shut putting tea back then she verbally attacked him loud enough to wake the dead.
I really cant see you staying in bed when you've been woken up and hear your name being slaughtered, i know i couldn't and i think i'm quite a passive person.

( BTW i'm not pretending to know you personally, i meant it generally)

They don't like each other... they exasperate each other. I have to ask... so what. She slags him off... he slags her off. She's just better at it than him but ultimately they are in the same space as far as mutual dislike is concerned. MOST of that discussion between Bea and Marcus was about how he and the other two guys perceive her. Her comment that brought about the mocking laughter was nothing to do with Freddie.. and yet he laughed. Ok, fair play.. he is cretainly entitled to laugh if he wants... but lets not sugare coat it.. it was mocking.. and whatever justification you give it, that fact remains.

Freddie is not an angel.. but he seems to be afforded wings and she, who is also not an angel, is not. To me that is inequitable. Because any criticism you can level at her or any other of the HMs can equally be levelled at Freddie.

Your post is completely deluded.
Freddie thought the world of her. She knifed him in the back.
Freddie laughed, as I did, at her pathetic remark "you can dish it out but you cant take it" that after the venom she has spewed at him over this week.
The girl is a 1st class nut job and needs to run for cover when she comes out. Seriously.

See the bold bit... you are channelling Flossie.. not a good look.

I haven't read the rest. Sorry to say but as soon as I see your user name I kinda switch off. I'm just not interested in anything you have to say and I generally ignore you. Perhaps it is best if you do the same when you see my posts.

Pfft.. you dismiss someones view because they remind you of another forumer?

A tad lacking there.

No.. I dismiss that FM member because they generally post in a derogatory or confrontational way to me. I choose not to deal with them.. which is my perogative. Unfortunately, it seems it would need a Mack truck backing over them to get that.

But thank you for sticking your nose in.

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
She cosied up to the Freddie she saw in the first few weeks. As he became closer to Marcus he changed. That is the point she is trying to make and she gets the third degree about it.
I don't like the girl but I do believe in fairness . It's ok for Freddie to stick up for himself but she's not allowed. It's ok for Marcus to tear her character to pieces but she can't do the same back. It's ok for him to call her a brick wall but not for her to say his hair style is from the 80s.
Different strokes for different folks.

I have nothing against anyone sticking up for themselves.... but not by belittling others.Marcus said it was like talking to a brick wall because she just keeps talking over every conversation....she never 'gives' to let anyone else in.

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
It's ok! You have issues with whoever.I don't see it,I don't avidly follow the dramas on here.
No offence intended seriously.

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Originally posted by brisket:
I think most of us who watched it throughout last night, will know what actually happened.
The more debate, the more argument, the more time passes, the more we see edited versions, the more likely it is that accuracy is affected.
We often reach a point of entrenchment where A fan will not be able to persuade fan B.
But if we are honest with ourselves most of us will know the true version.

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Originally posted by karmasab****:

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Originally posted by brisket:
I think most of us who watched it throughout last night, will know what actually happened.
The more debate, the more argument, the more time passes, the more we see edited versions, the more likely it is that accuracy is affected.
We often reach a point of entrenchment where A fan will not be able to persuade fan B.
But if we are honest with ourselves most of us will know the true version.

Hi brisket, whenever i open a thread you've posted on your rose is giant on my screen for a few seconds. Is it meant to do this? ( if so, how cool)

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by karmasab****:

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Originally posted by brisket:
I think most of us who watched it throughout last night, will know what actually happened.
The more debate, the more argument, the more time passes, the more we see edited versions, the more likely it is that accuracy is affected.
We often reach a point of entrenchment where A fan will not be able to persuade fan B.
But if we are honest with ourselves most of us will know the true version.

Hi brisket, whenever i open a thread you've posted on your rose is giant on my screen for a few seconds. Is it meant to do this? ( if so, how cool)

i always notice that ......there are a couple of others too. But .........you always know when Briskets about

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Originally posted by karmasab****:

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Originally posted by brisket:
I think most of us who watched it throughout last night, will know what actually happened.
The more debate, the more argument, the more time passes, the more we see edited versions, the more likely it is that accuracy is affected.
We often reach a point of entrenchment where A fan will not be able to persuade fan B.
But if we are honest with ourselves most of us will know the true version.

Hi brisket, whenever i open a thread you've posted on your rose is giant on my screen for a few seconds. Is it meant to do this? ( if so, how cool)

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
And what, I wonder, would Freddie have done if he had been in the situation that she was in and she'd started laughing out loud and mocking him when he was upset.......Ah, I know spent gawd knows how long having hostrionics, anxiety and panic attacks so that he couldn't speak properly, head banging and making sure that he did so in the br so that everyone could see and hopefully come in and say 'there there poor lickle thing'

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
She cosied up to the Freddie she saw in the first few weeks. As he became closer to Marcus he changed. That is the point she is trying to make and she gets the third degree about it.
I don't like the girl but I do believe in fairness . It's ok for Freddie to stick up for himself but she's not allowed. It's ok for Marcus to tear her character to pieces but she can't do the same back. It's ok for him to call her a brick wall but not for her to say his hair style is from the 80s.
Different strokes for different folks.

I have nothing against anyone sticking up for themselves.... but not by belittling others.Marcus said it was like talking to a brick wall because she just keeps talking over every conversation....she never 'gives' to let anyone else in.

No she doesn't but she is well entitled to stick up for herself as everyone else.

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Originally posted by Bethni:
I had stopped watching but last night i turned the tv on in the room as i couldn't sleep. When it all started i was so angry i came on here to talk it through. I was very upset on Freddies behalf because of the names he was being called by Bea, then Charlie went for him. I must admit to being very confused tonight at the different take on it.

However it has been good seeing other points of view.

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Its one thing to "stick up" for yourself and another thing entirely to brandish the bully card in what was an "adult" discussion

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Originally posted by brisket:
Hi
karmasab****
and Soozy woo.

I think the enlarged avatar (before it settles down) is perhaps to do with it not being the recommended size, but I`m not very technical so not sure.
I promise it is not done for the purposes of attention seeking.

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
And what, I wonder, would Freddie have done if he had been in the situation that she was in and she'd started laughing out loud and mocking him when he was upset.......Ah, I know spent gawd knows how long having hostrionics, anxiety and panic attacks so that he couldn't speak properly, head banging and making sure that he did so in the br so that everyone could see and hopefully come in and say 'there there poor lickle thing'

On that same point, what would Bea have done if she had heard Freddie berating her in the living area while she was in bed? Would she have stayed there? Would she have just laughed? I think not.

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Originally posted by Bethni:
I had stopped watching but last night i turned the tv on in the room as i couldn't sleep. When it all started i was so angry i came on here to talk it through. I was very upset on Freddies behalf because of the names he was being called by Bea, then Charlie went for him. I must admit to being very confused tonight at the different take on it.

However it has been good seeing other points of view.

Charlie didn't go for him in my opinion. He saw Bea 'very upset' and got angry when he heard the laughing in the bedroom. Anyone would have felt the same.
Even Marcus told Freddie to go to bed and not make a fool of himself albeit with thoughts of himself in mind.
Before anyone jumps down my neck I'm not a Charlie fan. I just saw it for what it was.

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Originally posted by Bethni:
I had stopped watching but last night i turned the tv on in the room as i couldn't sleep. When it all started i was so angry i came on here to talk it through. I was very upset on Freddies behalf because of the names he was being called by Bea, then Charlie went for him. I must admit to being very confused tonight at the different take on it.

However it has been good seeing other points of view.

Charlie didn't go for him in my opinion. He saw Bea 'very upset' and got angry when he heard the laughing in the bedroom. Anyone would have felt the same.
Even Marcus told Freddie to go to bed and not make a fool of himself albeit with thoughts of himself in mind.
Before anyone jumps down my neck I'm not a Charlie fan. I just saw it for what it was.

You must be right then because i didn't see it that way.

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Originally posted by Bethni:
I had stopped watching but last night i turned the tv on in the room as i couldn't sleep. When it all started i was so angry i came on here to talk it through. I was very upset on Freddies behalf because of the names he was being called by Bea, then Charlie went for him. I must admit to being very confused tonight at the different take on it.

However it has been good seeing other points of view.

Charlie didn't go for him in my opinion. He saw Bea 'very upset' and got angry when he heard the laughing in the bedroom. Anyone would have felt the same.
Even Marcus told Freddie to go to bed and not make a fool of himself albeit with thoughts of himself in mind.
Before anyone jumps down my neck I'm not a Charlie fan. I just saw it for what it was.

You must be right then because i didn't see it that way.

It didn't happen that way, Charlie went on a disgusting rant at Freddie and ordered him to go back to bed.

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Its one thing to "stick up" for yourself and another thing entirely to brandish the bully card in what was an "adult" discussion

I agree Tequila. The word Bully is over used but he did tear her character to pieces. I for one would have been in tears and hour before she was. What right does he have to do that? By saying he only told the truth doesn't make it right.

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Originally posted by Tequila:

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Its one thing to "stick up" for yourself and another thing entirely to brandish the bully card in what was an "adult" discussion

I agree Tequila. The word Bully is over used but he did tear her character to pieces. I for one would have been in tears and hour before she was. What right does he have to do that? By saying he only told the truth doesn't make it right.

I have to disagree Tates....he really didn't tear her character to pieces.....she kept bad mouthing freddie and each she did that Marcus pulled her over it and asked her to try and say things positive instead.......he told her he liked her but was trying to help her cos he could see the damage she was doing to herself with the viewing public....and he's right s

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Originally posted by Tequila:

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Its one thing to "stick up" for yourself and another thing entirely to brandish the bully card in what was an "adult" discussion

I agree Tequila. The word Bully is over used but he did tear her character to pieces. I for one would have been in tears and hour before she was. What right does he have to do that? By saying he only told the truth doesn't make it right.

I have to disagree Tates....he really didn't tear her character to pieces.....she kept bad mouthing freddie and each she did that Marcus pulled her over it and asked her to try and say things positive instead.......he told her he liked her but was trying to help her cos he could see the damage she was doing to herself with the viewing public....and he's right s

absoloutely


he did not tear her to pieces ..............I really and truly am not a Marcus fan but he was simply trying to tell/warn her about her actions and how she might be perceived on the outside. Hewas remarkably perceptive IMO ........she on the other hand was remarkably arrogant 'quelle surprise.'

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by Tequila:

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Originally posted by Tayto:

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Its one thing to "stick up" for yourself and another thing entirely to brandish the bully card in what was an "adult" discussion

I agree Tequila. The word Bully is over used but he did tear her character to pieces. I for one would have been in tears and hour before she was. What right does he have to do that? By saying he only told the truth doesn't make it right.

I have to disagree Tates....he really didn't tear her character to pieces.....she kept bad mouthing freddie and each she did that Marcus pulled her over it and asked her to try and say things positive instead.......he told her he liked her but was trying to help her cos he could see the damage she was doing to herself with the viewing public....and he's right s

absoloutely


he did not tear her to pieces ..............I really and truly am not a Marcus fan but he was simply trying to tell/warn her about her actions and how she might be perceived on the outside. Hewas remarkably perceptive IMO ........she on the other hand was remarkably arrogant 'quelle surprise.'

Wasn't she Soozy? What makes it even more outrageous is the fact that she initially only sat with Marcus to distract him while Charlie tried to put back the things she had stolen from Freddie's drawer

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Originally posted by brisket:
Hi
karmasab****
and Soozy woo.

I think the enlarged avatar (before it settles down) is perhaps to do with it not being the recommended size, but I`m not very technical so not sure.
I promise it is not done for the purposes of attention seeking.
Perhaps I should see if I can get it in a different original size.
Rest assured it is not your computer`s fault; it`s mine.

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

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Originally posted by Barolo:
He came out to gloat.

That was quite heavily edited. He wa lying in bed laughing at Bea's crying then tried to make out he was having some sort of panic attack!

He really is a vile peson!

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Originally posted by SJ:
I wouldn't have stayed in bed either, but wouldn't have waited until the person in question was in tears before I did get up - first mention would have been enough. His timing leaves a lot to be desired.

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

Come on Tupps. Whenever she could, she slagged off Freddie during that conversation.

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Originally posted by brisket:

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Originally posted by brisket:
Hi
karmasab****
and Soozy woo.

I think the enlarged avatar (before it settles down) is perhaps to do with it not being the recommended size, but I`m not very technical so not sure.
I promise it is not done for the purposes of attention seeking.
Perhaps I should see if I can get it in a different original size.
Rest assured it is not your computer`s fault; it`s mine.

Since I posted that I have tried to get my avatar resized. So hopefull now it will look so startling when a post is opened.

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Originally posted by tupps:
****ing hell.. I swear sometimes people watch this programme in a universe you'd need a visa to get into..

Her comment was to Marcus and about Marcus.. the preceeding discussion was about Marcus and his view of Bea. Freddie's laugh was mocking her comment.. as if to say oh yeah you say that but you don't 'live' that. He had no need to do that OR come out and do his chesting beating antics.

He said on the HL show on Wednesday he would stay out of situations.. that he could stay out of situations.. but he can't bliddy help himself if he can score a point.

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Originally posted by brisket:
She seemed totally obsessed by Freddie, and unable to stop repeating his name.
She massively overdid it though, which made her look unreasonable and stupid.
It also made her appear not in control of her own emotions.

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Since I posted that I have tried to get my avatar resized. So hopefull now it will look so startling when a post is opened.

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Originally posted by jennywren:
Do you know, Tupps, I thought you had more sense than to take this sort of view. Ah well. Takes all sorts.

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Originally posted by Tayto:
Just a thought after watching it again tonight. Did Marcus engineer it all in that BB brain of his. He told Freddie to go back to bed so he wouldn't look stupid. Freddie did what he was told despite being told by Charli to go to bed as well.

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Originally posted by brisket:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Since I posted that I have tried to get my avatar resized. So hopefull now it will look so startling when a post is opened.

It's only a momentary blip and doesn't bother me in the slightest .............i really wouldn't worry about it.

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