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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

that's funny - I am sure I heard the word "Freddie" mentioned by her several times!

She brought his name up all bleeding night, and made damn sure her piercing shrill was at top whack. Yes Freddie did go in to his dramatics, but that's the way he does emotional. He was like that over the rabbit nonsense with Noirin.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
he come out of the bedroom because Charlie went in, asked who laughed, then when Freddie told him it was him and why, charlie went out and said 'hes laughing in there', so Freddie jumped up to explain what he said,

TBH I dont see the problem

Ok he explained to Charlie, why then come out and say something to Bea? Marcus was dealing with the situation and defending him adequately both against Bea and Charlie.

Best tactic would not be to come out with a quick remark to a crying Bea or to engage in an argument with Charlie when those two obviously can't communicate with each other. Charlie can't even understand some of his words lol. Charlie played the role of comforter to Bea and pretended he was some kind of mediator between Bea and Marcus very cleverly.

Naahhh...I ain't buying the words Charlie and clever in the same post.

The thing is - everyone here is trying to analyse the interaction and suggesting what Freddie should have done. Hindsight is bloody wonderful. I'm sure he'd agree with most of you who said he should have stayed put. But here's the thing...emotional responses are absolute buggers and make us do things we'd not do with the benefit of hindsight.

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

Can you honestly say you would just stay in bed and let someone call you all names under the sun ?

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
he come out of the bedroom because Charlie went in, asked who laughed, then when Freddie told him it was him and why, charlie went out and said 'hes laughing in there', so Freddie jumped up to explain what he said,

TBH I dont see the problem

Ok he explained to Charlie, why then come out and say something to Bea? Marcus was dealing with the situation and defending him adequately both against Bea and Charlie.

Best tactic would not be to come out with a quick remark to a crying Bea or to engage in an argument with Charlie when those two obviously can't communicate with each other. Charlie can't even understand some of his words lol. Charlie played the role of comforter to Bea and pretended he was some kind of mediator between Bea and Marcus very cleverly.

When Freddie came out the BR Bea had already rang to enter the DR... he came out because Charlie had put a different slant on his words.
There's turn the other cheek and just slap me stupid! I would have done the same and so would most people.

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Yer Poor David thinks "Negativity " are photos...bless him.

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

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Originally posted by SJ:
regardless of the fakeness, he heard her sobs from bed and waited until then (and the shout) to get out of bed. If it was b ecausehe heard his name countless times, there was time before that to get out of bed.

Do you people not get irony. Her comment "You can't take it but you can dish it out" was Freddie's cue if ever there was one, and that was after Charlie came in. He laughd at the irony of it, after she had torn him apart before.

Fair enough, but the argument I have read so far is that his name was being dragged through the mud for over an hour, my point is, why did he wait until then to get up? When he could have stopped it half an hour before that, with no tears and no drama.

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Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:


i agree with what bea said in the d/r.....he really is playing the 'poor freddie' card and milking the arguement for all it's worth....

But wasn't Bea doing exactly what she accused Freddie off, playing the 'poor me' card against Marcus?

oh of course she did....pair of em need their heads banging together...

she seems to play the victim card all the time....and throw in the word bully for good measure....

freddie i think dealt with lisa and co better in those early weeks than he's dealing with bea now....he's now playing the victim card too imo...

the pair of them will argue over anything with each other....if freddie told bea the sky was blue she'd argue about it.. and if she told him the sky was blue he'd say it was light grey and spend an hour analysing it

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Originally posted by SJ:
IMO the question should be why did Freddie wait until thattime to come out. Of course people should defend themselves but why wait until then, when it sounded like Marcus had broken her and she was crying.

Because Charley came in after he heard Freddie laugh. Why shouldnt he. Whats so unusual about crying anyway. Its just a tool women use, except it was all fake anyway. Bea knew shed been owned. Marcus was remarkably restrained I thought.

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Originally posted by SJ:
IMO the question should be why did Freddie wait until thattime to come out. Of course people should defend themselves but why wait until then, when it sounded like Marcus had broken her and she was crying.

Marcus had not 'broken her' ... he had spoken a few home truths and touched on a nerve which set the amateur drama queen blubbing and dashing to the diary room to accuse him of being a bully ...

Talk about an over-reaction ... she's for the birds ...

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

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Originally posted by SJ:
regardless of the fakeness, he heard her sobs from bed and waited until then (and the shout) to get out of bed. If it was b ecausehe heard his name countless times, there was time before that to get out of bed.

Do you people not get irony. Her comment "You can't take it but you can dish it out" was Freddie's cue if ever there was one, and that was after Charlie came in. He laughd at the irony of it, after she had torn him apart before.

Har har! Beatch wasn't "sobbing" she was screwing her face up and desperetly thinking of sad films to squeeze a tear out! "Bright Eyes" from Watership Down works for me.,Or Schindler's List.

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Originally posted by SJ:

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

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Originally posted by SJ:
regardless of the fakeness, he heard her sobs from bed and waited until then (and the shout) to get out of bed. If it was b ecausehe heard his name countless times, there was time before that to get out of bed.

Do you people not get irony. Her comment "You can't take it but you can dish it out" was Freddie's cue if ever there was one, and that was after Charlie came in. He laughd at the irony of it, after she had torn him apart before.

Fair enough, but the argument I have read so far is that his name was being dragged through the mud for over an hour, my point is, why did he wait until then to get up? When he could have stopped it half an hour before that, with no tears and no drama.

Because he was staying out of it until Charlie dragged him into it by telling Bea he was laughing at her. He intervened when the discussion was directly about his actions at that moment.

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Originally posted by SJ:

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

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Originally posted by SJ:
regardless of the fakeness, he heard her sobs from bed and waited until then (and the shout) to get out of bed. If it was b ecausehe heard his name countless times, there was time before that to get out of bed.

Do you people not get irony. Her comment "You can't take it but you can dish it out" was Freddie's cue if ever there was one, and that was after Charlie came in. He laughd at the irony of it, after she had torn him apart before.

Fair enough, but the argument I have read so far is that his name was being dragged through the mud for over an hour, my point is, why did he wait until then to get up? When he could have stopped it half an hour before that, with no tears and no drama.

He was asleep!Then Charley came in.It was the comment Ive just made that was the last straw I would imagine. Quite honestly I dont give a F**k if Bea was crying or not, she is one nut job and needs to get therapy, sooner rather than later. I hope she walks, never mind Freddie.

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

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Originally posted by SJ:
regardless of the fakeness, he heard her sobs from bed and waited until then (and the shout) to get out of bed. If it was b ecausehe heard his name countless times, there was time before that to get out of bed.

Do you people not get irony. Her comment "You can't take it but you can dish it out" was Freddie's cue if ever there was one, and that was after Charlie came in. He laughd at the irony of it, after she had torn him apart before.

Har har! Beatch wasn't "sobbing" she was screwing her face up and desperetly thinking of sad films to squeeze a tear out! "Bright Eyes" from Watership Down works for me.,Or Schindler's List.

I heard her sobbing on the live feed. and since Freddie was in bed there was no way of him knowingif there were tears or not.

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Originally posted by Suzy:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

Can you honestly say you would just stay in bed and let someone call you all names under the sun ?

Well.. had I stood in the garden and told my two bezzie mates that I would.. as part of the whole 'scheme' of things.. stay out of confrontations.. then I probably would have.

It is no surprise to Freddie that Bea is not enamoured by him.. and he is not enamoured of her. This begs the question.. and I wonder.. had Charlie not gone into the BR and said who was laughing.. would Freddie have come out and beat his chest a la George of the Jungle.

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:
Marcus was remarkably restrained I thought.

No. Marcus understands that in a situation like that remaining calm merely serves to wind the other person up even more. Try it. It really works.

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

He was asleep!Then Charley came in.

He wasn't asleep, Charlie woke him when he put the tea and cider back in teh drawer. and again the argumen here is that he heard his name being mentioned for an hour ... so did he hear his name or not?

So you are lying in bed listening to someone in the next room slagging you off for nearly two hours and you are supposed to lie there and disregard it? I don't think so sonny Jim. Every comment Bea makes has a Freddie tag to it, she is obsessed with hatred of him, or why else would she keep banging on about him all the time? He was right to come out and confront the situation. And he did.

Bea is a self-deluded self-centred self-indulgent self-obsessed self-defeating and self-destructive bore, with a serious personality defect which she should address the minute she leaves the Big Brother house. On the other hand she could be an actress, playing a part. I hope for her sake that the latter is the case.

and after the hystrionics, when Charlie was doing his Kofi Anan bit with Marcus in the garden - Freddie got up to get a drink from the kitchen - which Charlie just HAD to comment on - something like 'why cant he just stay in bed' or 'look - he's up again' (I've deleted it now so cant check back). I just sat there and thought - who the FCUK does Charlie think he is - so WHAT if Freddie got out of bed, or anyone else for that matter - its not HIS friggin house

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

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Originally posted by SJ:
regardless of the fakeness, he heard her sobs from bed and waited until then (and the shout) to get out of bed. If it was b ecausehe heard his name countless times, there was time before that to get out of bed.

Do you people not get irony. Her comment "You can't take it but you can dish it out" was Freddie's cue if ever there was one, and that was after Charlie came in. He laughd at the irony of it, after she had torn him apart before.

Exactly.I don't think anyone could stay in bed and listen to that and not respond in some way.

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Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
So you are lying in bed listening to someone in the next room slagging you off for nearly two hours and you are supposed to lie there and disregard it? I don't think so sonny Jim. Every comment Bea makes has a Freddie tag to it, she is obsessed with hatred of him, or why else would she keep banging on about him all the time? He was right to come out and confront the situation. And he did.

Bea is a self-deluded self-centred self-indulgent self-obsessed self-defeating and self-destructive bore, with a serious personality defect which she should address the minute she leaves the Big Brother house. On the other hand she could be an actress, playing a part. I hope for her sake that the latter is the case.

Again, why wait for an hour (it has increased to 2 hours now) why wait that long? Until she is in tears? IMO its to add to teh drama.

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Originally posted by tupps:
Firstly.. this evening I watched the LF from last night.. so no more top trumps on that score huh.

Secondly.. I'm not disputing she slagged Freddie off.. and while she may not have couched it in the most flattering terms.. when someone has right royally ****ed you off you are hardly likely to. I defy anyone here who has fallen out with someone to say they haven't thought/said/felt the same things. She thinks he is a twat. NEWSFLASH: she is not the only person to do so.

Thirdly.. we know from the Dave incident that Freddie can, if he has a mind, be a right royal twat. He can jump on things and like a Jack bleedin' Russell gnaw at them ad nauseum.

I don't hate Freddie... but I can see his bliddy faults..

I see his faults too Tupps... we would have to be blind not to see all their faults when their on our tv every night. Last night was something else. Bea was goading Marcus with Freddies name, went on and on about what she thought of him, the guy wasn't there he was SNORING in bed. First they stole from under his bed, then went back and banged the drawer shut putting tea back then she verbally attacked him loud enough to wake the dead.
I really cant see you staying in bed when you've been woken up and hear your name being slaughtered, i know i couldn't and i think i'm quite a passive person.

( BTW i'm not pretending to know you personally, i meant it generally)

Just as important in this as Bea is Charlie. I thought Marcus handled Charlie reasonably well, but Charlie and Freddie really don't get on well at all and that was always about to explode. Freddie will know from the previous arguments that there's no point in him trying to argue with Charlie as they never get anywhere.

Timing., I am asking about timing.

We understand that no one on the planet will lie in bed for 1 2 3 or 4 hours, listening to their name being dragged through the mud.

Why wait? Why not get up out of bed after hearing your name being mentioned for teh 2nd time, twice is surely enough?

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Sorry... can you collate your answers and put them to me.. I'm preoccupied with a profiterole.

Just because others don't agree with your opinions it doesn't mean they are on another planet.

Oh and they also cut out Bea wanting to plant the cider under Sophie's bed, so Freddie would go off on one at Sophie... everything last night was planned against Freddie to rile and upset him!

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:
Marcus was remarkably restrained I thought.

No. Marcus understands that in a situation like that remaining calm merely serves to wind the other person up even more. Try it. It really works.

I'm not sure if you really believe that or if you are just saying that to be anti-Marcus.

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

Can you honestly say you would just stay in bed and let someone call you all names under the sun ?

Well.. had I stood in the garden and told my two bezzie mates that I would.. as part of the whole 'scheme' of things.. stay out of confrontations.. then I probably would have.

It is no surprise to Freddie that Bea is not enamoured by him.. and he is not enamoured of her. This begs the question.. and I wonder.. had Charlie not gone into the BR and said who was laughing.. would Freddie have come out and beat his chest a la George of the Jungle.

So are you saying it was because of Charlie's provocative statement that Freddie came out to explain his laughter ?

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Originally posted by SJ:
Timing., I am asking about timing.

We understand that no one on the planet will lie in bed for 1 2 3 or 4 hours, listening to their name being dragged through the mud.

Why wait? Why not get up out of bed after hearing your name being mentioned for teh 2nd time, twice is surely enough?

We've explained Charlie went into Freddie and Freddie explained what he was laughing at, Charlie went out and turned it around...he got out of bed to explain why he was laughing

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Originally posted by Cariad:

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:
Marcus was remarkably restrained I thought.

No. Marcus understands that in a situation like that remaining calm merely serves to wind the other person up even more. Try it. It really works.

I tend to shout Im afraid. What do you think would have happened if Marcus had shouted?

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

Can you honestly say you would just stay in bed and let someone call you all names under the sun ?

It went on for hours and there plenty of slagging off of Freddie on her part.I watched it all ta very much.I may rant but the cause was there,her being a right old bitch!

Marcus and Charlie were enjoying a good chat about rock groups and concerts...then Beatch sat down with them and instead of trying to join in etc she started her usual "Negative " gibbering crap shit.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Cariad:

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:
Marcus was remarkably restrained I thought.

No. Marcus understands that in a situation like that remaining calm merely serves to wind the other person up even more. Try it. It really works.

I'm not sure if you really believe that or if you are just saying that to be anti-Marcus.

I took that as a positive statement about Marcus, and it does work.

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Originally posted by SJ:

Again, why wait for an hour (it has increased to 2 hours now) why wait that long? Until she is in tears? IMO its to add to teh drama.

I think Freddie would have stayed in bed however many times he heard his name but, because Charlie went into the bedroom and asked what he was laughing at and Freddie told him, Charlie went and told Bea Freddie was laughing. Freddie then got up to explain himself and was pounced on by numpty Charlie demannding he go back to bed!

Sorry for nicking a part of an earlier post!

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Originally posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Oh and they also cut out Bea wanting to plant the cider under Sophie's bed, so Freddie would go off on one at Sophie... everything last night was planned against Freddie to rile and upset him!

I think she did it because of her earlier conversation with Marcus shown on the HL show where he said something about hoping to go on Friday.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Cariad:

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:
Marcus was remarkably restrained I thought.

No. Marcus understands that in a situation like that remaining calm merely serves to wind the other person up even more. Try it. It really works.

I'm not sure if you really believe that or if you are just saying that to be anti-Marcus.

Anti-Marcus? Why would I be? He's one of my favourite housemates ever.

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Originally posted by tupps:
Firstly.. this evening I watched the LF from last night.. so no more top trumps on that score huh.

Secondly.. I'm not disputing she slagged Freddie off.. and while she may not have couched it in the most flattering terms.. when someone has right royally ****ed you off you are hardly likely to. I defy anyone here who has fallen out with someone to say they haven't thought/said/felt the same things. She thinks he is a twat. NEWSFLASH: she is not the only person to do so.

Thirdly.. we know from the Dave incident that Freddie can, if he has a mind, be a right royal twat. He can jump on things and like a Jack bleedin' Russell gnaw at them ad nauseum.

I don't hate Freddie... but I can see his bliddy faults..

I see his faults too Tupps... we would have to be blind not to see all their faults when their on our tv every night. Last night was something else. Bea was goading Marcus with Freddies name, went on and on about what she thought of him, the guy wasn't there he was SNORING in bed. First they stole from under his bed, then went back and banged the drawer shut putting tea back then she verbally attacked him loud enough to wake the dead.
I really cant see you staying in bed when you've been woken up and hear your name being slaughtered, i know i couldn't and i think i'm quite a passive person.

( BTW i'm not pretending to know you personally, i meant it generally)

They don't like each other... they exasperate each other. I have to ask... so what. She slags him off... he slags her off. She's just better at it than him but ultimately they are in the same space as far as mutual dislike is concerned. MOST of that discussion between Bea and Marcus was about how he and the other two guys perceive her. Her comment that brought about the mocking laughter was nothing to do with Freddie.. and yet he laughed. Ok, fair play.. he is cretainly entitled to laugh if he wants... but lets not sugare coat it.. it was mocking.. and whatever justification you give it, that fact remains.

Freddie is not an angel.. but he seems to be afforded wings and she, who is also not an angel, is not. To me that is inequitable. Because any criticism you can level at her or any other of the HMs can equally be levelled at Freddie.

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Again, why wait for an hour (it has increased to 2 hours now) why wait that long? Until she is in tears? IMO its to add to teh drama.

I think Freddie would have stayed in bed however many times he heard his name but, because Charlie went into the bedroom and asked what he was laughing at and Freddie told him, Charlie went and told Bea Freddie was laughing. Freddie then got up to explain himself and was pounced on by numpty Charlie demannding he go back to bed!

Sorry for nicking a part of an earlier post!

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No problem It's easier copying and pasting, I'm sick of trying to explain it

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Originally posted by Reality Junkie:

He was asleep!Then Charley came in.

He wasn't asleep, Charlie woke him when he put the tea and cider back in teh drawer. and again the argumen here is that he heard his name being mentioned for an hour ... so did he hear his name or not?

He kept out of it as he said he would until he was directly brought into it by Charlie. If Charlie hadn't opened the door and then LIED about why he laughed he may well have stayed in bed

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Originally posted by Suzy:

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
he was getting slagged off by Beatch.I bloody wouldn't lie in bed taking it.I'd have come right out and fookin' got right in the cows face!

she was talking to Marcus... and about Marcus.. but don't let the facts get in the way of a damned good rant huh...

Can you honestly say you would just stay in bed and let someone call you all names under the sun ?

It went on for hours and there plenty of slagging off of Freddie on her part.I watched it all ta very much.I may rant but the cause was there,her being a right old bitch!

Marcus and Charlie were enjoying a good chat about rock groups and concerts...then Beatch sat down with them and instead of trying to join in etc she started her usual "Negative " gibbering crap shit.

I agree with you and I am wondering why you are quoting me.

My post was to tupps.

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Originally posted by Barolo:
He came out to gloat.

That was quite heavily edited. He wa lying in bed laughing at Bea's crying then tried to make out he was having some sort of panic attack!

He really is a vile peson!

That is soooo not true. He came out because Charlie was ranting about him in the living room and he was angry with good reason

Basic summary of this is.

Marcus asks Bea nicely to lay off Freddie so he can go Friday.

Bea ignores this plots with Charlie ways of annoying Freddie stealing his stuff then thinking of hiding it in someone elses draw to cause an argument or just drink it. In the end decide against it and put it back.

Plan B discuss Freddie with Marcus (sorry tupps most of the conversation was constantly being steered towards the subject of Freddie by Bea) who prior to that was having the most bizarre music discussion ever with Charlie. Marcus wanting to leave completely owns Bea brilliantly.

Bea puts on the fake tears and threatens to report Marcus for bullying (oh yes they didnt show that did they).

Freddie laughs at the most hypocritical statement of the series by Bea and Charlie descends on him telling him to go back to bed and stop bullying her.

Marcus tells him to go to bed for his own good and again so he can go Friday.