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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

Oh yes! I remember bread being 17p one week (out of my £15 weekly wage) and rising to about 23p the next week. Might not be quite the right figures, but it was a huge rise, and, put simply, I could not afford to buy bread under Labour. I was a Labour voter then, but never since. And I've never been so hungry since, either.

I was once sacked because I dared to turn up to work on a cold winters day on my motorbike wearing my full leathers, yes, NO other reason, I remember the bosses words,
"get out and dont come back, this is an artist studio NOT a hells angels club house"

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:


see the front page every day in the newsagent.....thats enough for me

So, you just look at the front page and make your decision on that?

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

oh its surprising what you can fit on the front page...........about all them immigrants..benefit scroungers etc etc should I go on

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Oh dear indeed try making a similar joke about the Guardian and see how you get on then.

Would any Guardian reader care? Daily Mail readers have inferiority and/or persecution complexes. That's probably why they read the Daily Mail in the first place. There must be some good reason for reading a comic like that.

*runs away*

I really don't understand this inverted snobbery against the Daily Mail. Most people who make disparaging remarks about the paper and its readers have probably never actually read it, so they don't know what they are talking about. They're just repeating a mantra they picked up somewhere which they think sounds clever.

see the front page every day in the newsagent.....thats enough for me

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

Oh yes! I remember bread being 17p one week (out of my £15 weekly wage) and rising to about 23p the next week. Might not be quite the right figures, but it was a huge rise, and, put simply, I could not afford to buy bread under Labour. I was a Labour voter then, but never since. And I've never been so hungry since, either.

I was once sacked because I dared to turn up to work on a cold winters day on my motorbike wearing my full leathers, yes, NO other reason, I remember the bosses words,
"get out and dont come back, this is an artist studio NOT a hells angels club house"

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

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Originally posted by electric6:
*Is baffled by the dogged loyalty, defence and personal feeling of ownership towards a newspaper*

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Originally posted by electric6:
*Is baffled by the dogged loyalty, defence and personal feeling of ownership towards a newspaper*

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

Oh yes! I remember bread being 17p one week (out of my £15 weekly wage) and rising to about 23p the next week. Might not be quite the right figures, but it was a huge rise, and, put simply, I could not afford to buy bread under Labour. I was a Labour voter then, but never since. And I've never been so hungry since, either.

I was once sacked because I dared to turn up to work on a cold winters day on my motorbike wearing my full leathers, yes, NO other reason, I remember the bosses words,
"get out and dont come back, this is an artist studio NOT a hells angels club house"

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

My Dad said something similar about the unions too....and he is from the North East

And...to be honest, who is to say that this rise in unemployment won't result in similar treatment of workers as OHG experienced under conservatives??? Just because labour are in govt, it doesn't mean that employers won't use the threat of sacking/redundancy against their workers. That has nowt to do with govt....

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:


see the front page every day in the newsagent.....thats enough for me

So, you just look at the front page and make your decision on that?

oh its surprising what you can fit on the front page...........about all them immigrants..benefit scroungers etc etc should I go on

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

oh its surprising what you can fit on the front page...........about all them immigrants..benefit scroungers etc etc should I go on

Ahhh right, of course.

Glad we are back on course, i.e bashing the Daily Mail

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
see the front page every day in the newsagent.....thats enough for me

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:


see the front page every day in the newsagent.....thats enough for me

So, you just look at the front page and make your decision on that?

oh its surprising what you can fit on the front page...........about all them immigrants..benefit scroungers etc etc should I go on

And how much do they cost the country? Can we afford to pay benefits to people who weren't born here and have never paid taxes? Can we afford to pay wages to people who send their wages back to their home countries to the tune of about £40million?

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Originally posted by electric6:
Ahh jeez, Crunchy makes a light hearted joke and the whole thread is derailed by pet lips and foot stamping.

And yet at other times folk complain not enough young uns take notice of what's going on in the world. I guess he should go back to talking about Cheryl Cole.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

Oh yes! I remember bread being 17p one week (out of my £15 weekly wage) and rising to about 23p the next week. Might not be quite the right figures, but it was a huge rise, and, put simply, I could not afford to buy bread under Labour. I was a Labour voter then, but never since. And I've never been so hungry since, either.

I was once sacked because I dared to turn up to work on a cold winters day on my motorbike wearing my full leathers, yes, NO other reason, I remember the bosses words,
"get out and dont come back, this is an artist studio NOT a hells angels club house"

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

My Dad said something similar about the unions too....and he is from the North East

And...to be honest, who is to say that this rise in unemployment won't result in similar treatment of workers as OHG experienced under conservatives??? Just because labour are in govt, it doesn't mean that employers won't use the threat of sacking/redundancy against their workers. That has nowt to do with govt....

it has everything to do with government

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Originally posted by electric6:
Ahh jeez, Crunchy makes a light hearted joke and the whole thread is derailed by pet lips and foot stamping.

And yet at other times folk complain not enough young uns take notice of what's going on in the world. I guess he should go back to talking about Cheryl Cole.

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
what is sad, is that is was a tongue in cheek joke, but some seem to have lost their SOH

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Originally posted by disley21:
She's well fit. Innit.

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Originally posted by MrsB:
But, as I said earlier..thousands of other families are affected by one of them working away from the area...they are not helped with a second home...they have to buy/rent their own... and buy their own food, furnish it etc...

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
see the front page every day in the newsagent.....thats enough for me

Now...that's how Gordon Brown has made me feel about the Labour Party...with him at the front, you can just tell that what's inside ain't worth wiping yer bum on.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by MrsB:
But, as I said earlier..thousands of other families are affected by one of them working away from the area...they are not helped with a second home...they have to buy/rent their own... and buy their own food, furnish it etc...

Hmmm, I'm not sure about your figure and what help such people get.

The point is, we will end up with less women going into politics, less men with school age children, less people who give a damn about their families.

I'm not sure you'd want that.

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

I have always been a strong supporter of trades unions, but never agreed with the "closed shop" in fact I voted against it several times in union meetings when it was proposed in places I have worked,
BUT on the other hand, if a person decides that they dont want the protection of a trades union, then from that day on, every pay increase, or holliday, or cut in working hours, or ANYTHING that the union in question gains for the work force should ONLY be for union members,

all non union members would be free to negotiate their own individual working terms and conditions,....so when the non union worker is told to take a pay cut, or work extra hours, they are on their own...and lets see how far that would get them,
ya cant have ya cake AND eat it,
and you cant have the BENEFITS of being in a union, if you are NOT in the union,

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

oh its surprising what you can fit on the front page...........about all them immigrants..benefit scroungers etc etc should I go on

Ahhh right, of course.

Glad we are back on course, i.e bashing the Daily Mail

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Same old same old, could see it coming a mile off.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Same old same old, could see it coming a mile off.

Really, you predicted that Crunchy would make ONE joke and it would be derailed by defence?

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

oh its surprising what you can fit on the front page...........about all them immigrants..benefit scroungers etc etc should I go on

Ahhh right, of course.

Glad we are back on course, i.e bashing the Daily Mail

Same old same old, could see it coming a mile off.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

I am leaving this thread for a while now because it is getting hilarious........ITS A NEWSPAPER FFS

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Originally posted by MrsB:


So you can only get the benefits if you pay to get them by joining the unions....sounds like BUPA to me......

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Same old same old, could see it coming a mile off.

Really, you predicted that Crunchy would make ONE joke and it would be derailed by defence?

I am leaving this thread for a while now because it is getting hilarious........ITS A NEWSPAPER FFS

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

I am leaving this thread for a while now because it is getting hilarious........ITS A NEWSPAPER FFS

Indeed.

I've never seen anything quite like it, it's really, really bizarre

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Same old same old, could see it coming a mile off.

Really, you predicted that Crunchy would make ONE joke and it would be derailed by defence?

I am leaving this thread for a while now because it is getting hilarious........ITS A NEWSPAPER FFS

oh i forgot one last point.......I feel that my initial question (the insulting one) has now been answered

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Originally posted by squiggle:
So to get this thread back on course. All parties in government have had MP's who were dishonest not just the Conservatives. I suggest, as I have before, that the proper way ahead now is for us to decide this matter not on a forum but at the polling booth.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
So to get this thread back on course. All parties in government have had MP's who were dishonest not just the Conservatives. I suggest, as I have before, that the proper way ahead now is for us to decide this matter not on a forum but at the polling booth.

When is the earliest he can he call one squiggle, is it October?

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by MrsB:


So you can only get the benefits if you pay to get them by joining the unions....sounds like BUPA to me......

simple fact is, if wasnt for trades unions, we would be working in all sorts of shit holes and getting paid FA,
and if anyone thinks the employers wouldve given us decent pay and working conditions out of the kindness of their hearts they are deluded,

I know there are good empolyers out there who DO care about the well being of their employees etc,(I have even worked for a couple myself)

but they are very much the minority, and I doubt even those few would be so"nice" if it wasnt for the fact that the unions have had to struggle and fight to gain these RIGHTS for the workers,

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Originally posted by old hippy guy:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

odd how recollections differ isnt it, i can remember being sacked (under a labour government) not for doing a bad job or being late or even braking a dress code but for the simple fact that i refused to join a trade union and pay part of my earnings to support the labour party, i think the words to me were something along the lines of "i'm sorry but this council operates a closed shop and you have to join the union"

luckily for me thatcher got in and i was able to start my own company (with government support for the first two years) which enabled me to employ more people and make plenty of money, which i could spend on what i chose because i wasnt paying 90% in income tax as i would have been under labour, YES, 90%.

I have always been a strong supporter of trades unions, but never agreed with the "closed shop" in fact I voted against it several times in union meetings when it was proposed in places I have worked,
BUT on the other hand, if a person decides that they dont want the protection of a trades union, then from that day on, every pay increase, or holliday, or cut in working hours, or ANYTHING that the union in question gains for the work force should ONLY be for union members,

all non union members would be free to negotiate their own individual working terms and conditions,....so when the non union worker is told to take a pay cut, or work extra hours, they are on their own...and lets see how far that would get them,
ya cant have ya cake AND eat it,
and you cant have the BENEFITS of being in a union, if you are NOT in the union,

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Originally posted by squiggle:


I think that probably would be the earliest but I think he will bottle it and hang on as long as possible. He virtually admitted in the House the other day that they will lose!