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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
mmmm this thread has took an interesting turn.......squiggle and LL why is it that when a thread starts about the tories you always go on and on and on about Labour voters......and assume that all who join in these threads and have a critical word to say about conservatives must be Labour voters.

This confuses me

I think someone needs to read ones sig

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Because the election results are nothing to do with the expenses scandal, much as the punters would like you to believe it is.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
mmmm this thread has took an interesting turn.......squiggle and LL why is it that when a thread starts about the tories you always go on and on and on about Labour voters......and assume that all who join in these threads and have a critical word to say about conservatives must be Labour voters.

This confuses me

Usually, because the ones doing the Tory bashing are mainly Labour voters and admit to being Not saying that it is only Labour voters who are critical of the Conservatives, but on the whole it is. Oh and I wouldn't say we go on and on, We just have to defend ourselves and our political point of view, time and time again

Oh and to have to put up with insults, like yours previously.

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Why are they the worst offenders?

Oh and good on them for gaining all those seats

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

He put us in this mess in the first place.

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Originally posted by longcat:
They were all at it, i am not happy voting for any of them.

And this is exactly why some of the other parties have made such headway. None of them really undestands what the Great British Nation wants so they try and persuade us what to think and what to want, but they are not listening.

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Why are they the worst offenders?

Oh and good on them for gaining all those seats

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

He put us in this mess in the first place.

Exactly...he was Chancellor for years before electing himself as PM...if ANYONE in the country should have known the mess we were in...HE'S yer man....and still he blunders on....

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
mmmm this thread has took an interesting turn.......squiggle and LL why is it that when a thread starts about the tories you always go on and on and on about Labour voters......and assume that all who join in these threads and have a critical word to say about conservatives must be Labour voters.

This confuses me

Usually, because the ones doing the Tory bashing are mainly Labour voters and admit to being Not saying that it is only Labour voters who are critical of the Conservatives, but on the whole it is. Oh and I wouldn't say we go on and on, We just have to defend ourselves and our political point of view, time and time again

Oh and to have to put up with insults, like yours previously.

which was a question not an insult.......and to be fair anyone who thinks that the tories would do a better job than labour must be stupid because if you look at their policies they are just the same as Labours. The only thing that sets them apart is their colours

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

Thing is though, I don't think it is just the expenses scandal that are causing people to vote Conservative. I think it is the fact that Labour are finished and we have a government in crisis who have, over a period of time, put this country in crisis.

see I do think its the anger of the expenses scandal but also to a degree the recession too, but if the Tories were in place let me tell you, they'd leave a lot of people to rot in this recession. At least GB and the likes have tried to stem the damage a little and yes I know have put this country into debt for many years to come, but what was the alternative?

They have caused the damage and are very busy explaining to you how they are stemming the damage.

Part of the damage is caused by too many State-paid jobs. Not all of these jobs are necessary and they cause the country to spend a lot of money it doesn't need to spend.

However, if the Tories reduce the numbers of these jobs (to save the country money) it looks like they are deliberately putting people on the dole.

If Labour keeps these jobs (to save putting people on the dole) it looks like they are supporting the working man. This sounds more emotionally positive.

But, think about it. Which is cheaper for the nation and would help us out of the recession quicker? To pay for uncessessary jobs at £60k a year (or whatever) or save that money, and pay less for those people to join the dole queue, or pay a visit to their local Jobcentre?

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

Why do people keep banging on about him being unelected? It's quite appropriate to our system.

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Originally posted by wandawitch:
They are all on the fiddle gordon brown seems to be getting all the blame though

He's in charge. The buck stops with him.

oh dear - meant that at the circles this thread is enjoying

Time and time again I get told that the Conservatives are the worst offenders in the expenses scandal. How many times can you say that they are not! Just as many Labour MP's are to blame as Conservatives, if not more.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:


which was a question not an insult.......and to be fair anyone who thinks that the tories would do a better job than labour must be stupid because if you look at their policies they are just the same as Labours. The only thing that sets them apart is their colours

Well it's certainly not a question now is it?

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by wandawitch:
They are all on the fiddle gordon brown seems to be getting all the blame though

He's in charge. The buck stops with him.

Exactly, which is another reason why he needs to go and go now.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

Thing is though, I don't think it is just the expenses scandal that are causing people to vote Conservative. I think it is the fact that Labour are finished and we have a government in crisis who have, over a period of time, put this country in crisis.

No way, are they worst than Labour in this expenses scandal. It just looks good to bash the Tories again

Good morning Lass and well said. The economy of this country is in a terrible condition and getting worse under Labour. Its no good saying its the same the whole world over because there's no doubt its worse here, and worse than I have ever known it. Labour are not even trying to govern now they are just squabbling among themselves like a group of overgrown children. We need to cut through this mess and try to put things right.

sorry squiggle but you are either young or have a short memory if you think this is the worst the country has ever been in

This is the worst situation the country has ever been in, bar the 1930s crisis.

The problem is, this particular crisis has almost wholly been caused by the economic policies of Gordon Brown, when he was Chancellor.

He inherited the most healthy economy Britain has ever had, and he destroyed it. Had he not done so, our recession would not have been so bad as it is and we would have recovered from it more quickly.

As it is, he can blame it on a Global Economic Crisis, which is very convenient for him.

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

Thing is though, I don't think it is just the expenses scandal that are causing people to vote Conservative. I think it is the fact that Labour are finished and we have a government in crisis who have, over a period of time, put this country in crisis.

No way, are they worst than Labour in this expenses scandal. It just looks good to bash the Tories again

Good morning Lass and well said. The economy of this country is in a terrible condition and getting worse under Labour. Its no good saying its the same the whole world over because there's no doubt its worse here, and worse than I have ever known it. Labour are not even trying to govern now they are just squabbling among themselves like a group of overgrown children. We need to cut through this mess and try to put things right.

sorry squiggle but you are either young or have a short memory if you think this is the worst the country has ever been in

This is the worst situation the country has ever been in, bar the 1930s crisis.

The problem is, this particular crisis has almost wholly been caused by the economic policies of Gordon Brown, when he was Chancellor.

He inherited the most healthy economy Britain has ever had, and he destroyed it. Had he not done so, our recession would not have been so bad as it is and we would have recovered from it more quickly.

As it is, he can blame it on a Global Economic Crisis, which is very convenient for him.

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Parliament should buy a block of flats somewhere and furnish all the flats the same...any MP who needs a London base could then have the keys to one for the duration of their MP-ship.

A basic subsistance allowance should be paid whilst they are in London..anything else they should pay for themselves.

Sorted.

Quite agree. MPs who live hundreds of miles from their constituencies do need a London base for while they are in Parliament. But they do not need to take the pee out of us by feathering their nests while doing so.

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Parliament should buy a block of flats somewhere and furnish all the flats the same...any MP who needs a London base could then have the keys to one for the duration of their MP-ship.

A basic subsistance allowance should be paid whilst they are in London..anything else they should pay for themselves.

Sorted.

Quite agree. MPs who live hundreds of miles from their constituencies do need a London base for while they are in Parliament. But they do not need to take the pee out of us by feathering their nests while doing so.

We also subsidise their food bills, even while on their SUmmer Break! Grrr!

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

I agree sqiggle...Brown had days before Cameron to tell us how he was going to 'improve' things, Cameron was on it straight away, and I admire him for that! Brown only spoke up when he HAD to!

Brown needs to stop hanging on and put the country and its people first. By clinging to office, he is doing a great disservice to us and our country.

It amazes me how little the wishes of the people of this country are listened to. The majority have made it quite clear they want a general election now. With UKIP doing so well they have also made it clear that they are not happy with the way Europe is going, and no-one listens to us at all. Disgraceful.

Absolutely spot-on, Squiggle.

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Originally posted by jennywren:
They have caused the damage and are very busy explaining to you how they are stemming the damage.

Part of the damage is caused by too many State-paid jobs. Not all of these jobs are necessary and they cause the country to spend a lot of money it doesn't need to spend.

However, if the Tories reduce the numbers of these jobs (to save the country money) it looks like they are deliberately putting people on the dole.

If Labour keeps these jobs (to save putting people on the dole) it looks like they are supporting the working man. This sounds more emotionally positive.

But, think about it. Which is cheaper for the nation and would help us out of the recession quicker? To pay for uncessessary jobs at £60k a year (or whatever) or save that money, and pay less for those people to join the dole queue, or pay a visit to their local Jobcentre?

It's easy when you say it like that.

Maybe we should put you in charge of going telling people they're out of a job and they've got to go on the dole, possibly for the first time in their lives, where they then have to deal with the stigma associated with it, seeing as you clearly don't have a problem with it at all.

Better yet, try it yourself.

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

Not only the unelected Gordon Brown, but the 7 unelected members of his cabinet.

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Originally posted by jennywren:
This is the worst situation the country has ever been in, bar the 1930s crisis.

My Mum and Dad would disagree and would draw your attention to 1940. Luckily Churchill kept his nerve even though the scratters kept banging on about him being unelected.

have you ever in your life been asked the questions that they ask you? how you can say it is an easier option I despair, the humiliation of having to go in a place like that, when you have worked for everything you ever had in your life I am truly astounded some can be so glib about it, I hope you never in your life have to experience it.

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

Not only the unelected Gordon Brown, but the 7 unelected members of his cabinet.

oh the great unelected debate.......the last time I voted it was for a party and its policies not for a person who I happened to like the look of

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Parliament should buy a block of flats somewhere and furnish all the flats the same...any MP who needs a London base could then have the keys to one for the duration of their MP-ship.

A basic subsistance allowance should be paid whilst they are in London..anything else they should pay for themselves.

Sorted.

Quite agree. MPs who live hundreds of miles from their constituencies do need a London base for while they are in Parliament. But they do not need to take the pee out of us by feathering their nests while doing so.

Halls of Residence like the students have should be sufficient...room for desk, bed and spare clothes...and a shared kitchen!!!

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by jennywren:
This is the worst situation the country has ever been in, bar the 1930s crisis.

My Mum and Dad would disagree and would draw your attention to 1940. Luckily Churchill kept his nerve even though the scratters kept banging on about him being unelected.

excellent point

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

Not only the unelected Gordon Brown, but the 7 unelected members of his cabinet.

oh the great unelected debate.......the last time I voted it was for a party and its policies not for a person who I happened to like the look of

But you have to be able to TRUST the leader of that party to push the policy through and believe they will stick to their word....I wouldn't trust Brown with my hamster, never mind the country.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders

no one voted for GB except those in his constituency, you vote for your mp who then elects the leader,
this is so easy to understand yet so many (tory supporters) get it wrong and use it as a base for their argument


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

Not only the unelected Gordon Brown, but the 7 unelected members of his cabinet.

oh the great unelected debate.......the last time I voted it was for a party and its policies not for a person who I happened to like the look of

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Originally posted by MrsB:


But you have to be able to TRUST the leader of that party to push the policy through and believe they will stick to their word....I wouldn't trust Brown with my hamster, never mind the country.

Exactly Mrs B. There is no trust left. How can you run a country when the majority of people want you gone, including your own MP's.

In my view its not so much about Gordon Brown being unelected but having proved himself to be totally unable to do the job. The fact that we are in the financial mess we are now when he was Chancellor for so many years, stating over and over again how prudent he was, proves that beyond the shadow of a doubt.

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Originally posted by disley21:

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Originally posted by jennywren:
They have caused the damage and are very busy explaining to you how they are stemming the damage.

Part of the damage is caused by too many State-paid jobs. Not all of these jobs are necessary and they cause the country to spend a lot of money it doesn't need to spend.

However, if the Tories reduce the numbers of these jobs (to save the country money) it looks like they are deliberately putting people on the dole.

If Labour keeps these jobs (to save putting people on the dole) it looks like they are supporting the working man. This sounds more emotionally positive.

But, think about it. Which is cheaper for the nation and would help us out of the recession quicker? To pay for uncessessary jobs at £60k a year (or whatever) or save that money, and pay less for those people to join the dole queue, or pay a visit to their local Jobcentre?

It's easy when you say it like that.

Maybe we should put you in charge of going telling people they're out of a job and they've got to go on the dole, possibly for the first time in their lives, where they then have to deal with the stigma associated with it, seeing as you clearly don't have a problem with it at all.

Better yet, try it yourself.

Then cut the pay of some of these jobs....if the state are paying, cut the pay to the average wage and save £1000's a year AND keep people in work....

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Originally posted by disley21:

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Originally posted by jennywren:
They have caused the damage and are very busy explaining to you how they are stemming the damage.

Part of the damage is caused by too many State-paid jobs. Not all of these jobs are necessary and they cause the country to spend a lot of money it doesn't need to spend.

However, if the Tories reduce the numbers of these jobs (to save the country money) it looks like they are deliberately putting people on the dole.

If Labour keeps these jobs (to save putting people on the dole) it looks like they are supporting the working man. This sounds more emotionally positive.

But, think about it. Which is cheaper for the nation and would help us out of the recession quicker? To pay for uncessessary jobs at £60k a year (or whatever) or save that money, and pay less for those people to join the dole queue, or pay a visit to their local Jobcentre?

It's easy when you say it like that.

Maybe we should put you in charge of going telling people they're out of a job and they've got to go on the dole, possibly for the first time in their lives, where they then have to deal with the stigma associated with it, seeing as you clearly don't have a problem with it at all.

Better yet, try it yourself.

It is useful to be pragmatic in politics, or even take a Utilitarian view.

If the public park in your neighbourhood is full of flowers to make it look pretty, should people be allowed to pick those flowers, or dig them up, and put them in their own homes to look pretty?

After all, we all want our homes to look pretty?

The Utilitarian view is to leave the flowers in the park, because they are for everybody to enjoy, not just a self-selected few.

So it is with government. The Utilitarian view is to try to do good for the greatest number of people.

If a few people's feelings are hurt by losing their expensive government-sponsored jobs, should this be at the expense of the majority, who want to save the country money?

The problem with the Labour party, is they appeal to people's emotions. They spend a lot of money trying not to hurt people's feelings (dumbing down education, creating jobs, creating egalitarian issues which divide more than ever).

Their methods are to assume that people can't make their own decisions, so they must be told what to eat and how often, where and when to smoke, what to put in which dustbin, or whether or not they can have NHS treatment depending on how fat they are. They use emotive words to persuade the electorate of their intentions, and these emotive words fill some of the electorate with such guilt if they disagree with them, that they are persuaded the Labour Party is the only part which cares for The People. This indeed is today's mantra, famously spoken by Mrs Harmon last night. You are a Bad Person if you do not agree with Labour's policies. You are a Bad Person if you agree with Conservative policies.

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Why are they the worst offenders?

Oh and good on them for gaining all those seats

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

and if I can stick in my two pennies worth, it was Thatcher who set up the system for expences as it now is(this was on Any Questions) she did it becuase people were anti MP's gettinh high wage increases so did it by the back door, like she did so many things. I was a Tory untill Thatcherism rose its uggly head and put Britain up for sale.

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Originally posted by disley21:

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Originally posted by jennywren:
They have caused the damage and are very busy explaining to you how they are stemming the damage.

Part of the damage is caused by too many State-paid jobs. Not all of these jobs are necessary and they cause the country to spend a lot of money it doesn't need to spend.

However, if the Tories reduce the numbers of these jobs (to save the country money) it looks like they are deliberately putting people on the dole.

If Labour keeps these jobs (to save putting people on the dole) it looks like they are supporting the working man. This sounds more emotionally positive.

But, think about it. Which is cheaper for the nation and would help us out of the recession quicker? To pay for uncessessary jobs at £60k a year (or whatever) or save that money, and pay less for those people to join the dole queue, or pay a visit to their local Jobcentre?

It's easy when you say it like that.

Maybe we should put you in charge of going telling people they're out of a job and they've got to go on the dole, possibly for the first time in their lives, where they then have to deal with the stigma associated with it, seeing as you clearly don't have a problem with it at all.

Better yet, try it yourself.

Have you seen how much some of these jobs are paying Half of them are just made up on a whim and are totally unnecessary.

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by jennywren:

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Originally posted by MrsB:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Maybe it's because they are sick of watching the UNELECTED Gordon Brown killing this country. I'm sure that most people base who they vote for or more than the expenses....I would say POLICY had a big part to play in it. I'd say you'd be pretty daft to cast a vote purely on the expenses scandal....

*sorry if this has already been said...haven't read the thread yet!!!!*

Not only the unelected Gordon Brown, but the 7 unelected members of his cabinet.

oh the great unelected debate.......the last time I voted it was for a party and its policies not for a person who I happened to like the look of

But you have to be able to TRUST the leader of that party to push the policy through and believe they will stick to their word....I wouldn't trust Brown with my hamster, never mind the country.

and how can you possible make an assumption on whether you trust them by listening to a few speeches.........unless you have a sixth sense.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by jennywren:
This is the worst situation the country has ever been in, bar the 1930s crisis.

My Mum and Dad would disagree and would draw your attention to 1940. Luckily Churchill kept his nerve even though the scratters kept banging on about him being unelected.

World War II was caused by the global economic crisis of the 1930s and could be seen as an extension of it. The war itself wasn't an economic crisis and can't be compared with today's peacetime crisis.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

Thing is though, I don't think it is just the expenses scandal that are causing people to vote Conservative. I think it is the fact that Labour are finished and we have a government in crisis who have, over a period of time, put this country in crisis.

No way, are they worst than Labour in this expenses scandal. It just looks good to bash the Tories again

Good morning Lass and well said. The economy of this country is in a terrible condition and getting worse under Labour. Its no good saying its the same the whole world over because there's no doubt its worse here, and worse than I have ever known it. Labour are not even trying to govern now they are just squabbling among themselves like a group of overgrown children. We need to cut through this mess and try to put things right.

sorry squiggle but you are either young or have a short memory if you think this is the worst the country has ever been in

I am afraid that I am neither. I am almost certainly older than you and I have a very very good memory. Thing is its not easy to pull the wool over my eyes.

I have known things much much worse and it was always under Conservatives, even when i was a kid and walkled aound with holes it my shoes and feezing cold.

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Originally posted by forgetmenot:

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
They are gaining seats all over the country...I dont understand it, as I feel they were the worst offenders


Are people REALLY that forgiving or just plain stupid

Why are they the worst offenders?

Oh and good on them for gaining all those seats

I know your a Tory Liverpoollass, but read the papers they are indeed the worst offenders in the expenses scandal, and I don't understand why they have either Lockes, tbh whoever is in power when things go tits up will get the blame, but for me the man in the seat is the only option at the moment to get us out of this god awful place we find ourselves in.

and if I can stick in my two pennies worth, it was Thatcher who set up the system for expences as it now is(this was on Any Questions) she did it becuase people were anti MP's gettinh high wage increases so did it by the back door, like she did so many things. I was a Tory untill Thatcherism rose its uggly head and put Britain up for sale.

oh you forget to mention the fact that (with the introduction of the poll tax) she also made people who owned a second home exempt from paying the poll tax on the 2nd property

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But you have to be able to TRUST the leader of that party to push the policy through and believe they will stick to their word....I wouldn't trust Brown with my hamster, never mind the country.

Exactly Mrs B. There is no trust left. How can you run a country when the majority of people want you gone, including your own MP's.

He's a bit like a non-league footballer who transfrerred to Premiership cos he thinks kicking a ball is all he needs to do....then finds out that life at the top is waaaay tougher than you think, but the power/glory is wonderful and addictive....he needs to relegate himself again...