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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

No but it's not a normal situation.

Life in there is very different from the outside world and Noirin has been playing mind games on Marcus for weeks, and yes.. he isn't handling it well, that much is true.

Love is a powerful emotion. it can make fools of the best of us and the BB house is one of the worst places to feel these sort of emotions.

Marcus denies it is 'love'.
He even denies fancying her.

Why is he allowed to lie. Is that not playing mind games with her?

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:

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Originally posted by shar69:Oh right, so because Freddie said so. Sorry but Freddie is not the all seeing, all knowing one. You seem to be forgetting that Freddie also, at one point, was infatuated with Noirin. How am I to know that Freddie is not saying this with a tinge of bitterness? This conversation wouldn't be an 'heavily edited' release by C4 would it.

When was Freddie infatuated with Noirin?

Freddie fancied her and felt a bit of a connection. He was never infatuated, as far as I know!

He did, however, think that Angel was infatuated with him, which she wasn't in the slightest, so why his judgement is being trusted is beyond me!

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
I don't think Marcus has said anything about Noirin to someone else which he also hasn't said straight to her face. So I think you are completely wrong there. He has actually defended her sometimes (to his detriment) to other HMs.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
Are we watching the same programme ?

Noirins been d*ckteasing every hetero man in the house. She's already got Tom in her sights and after him I wouldn't be suprised if she got to work trying to turn David.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by shar69:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Marcus has been a friend to Noirin (more than Siavash has really) so yeh I think Noirin should have been more upfront to him about liking others in the house. She was just trying to play different men simultaneously in the end to strengthen her position. Ironically I don't think she really needed to do that.

The house situation isn't really about 'love' in the normal sense, it's about friendships and alliances. Noirin by going behind Marcus's back has broken that. Luckily for her they may send her ex in which will give her another ally in the house, it may be too late for her by then though.

Yes the situation isn't a normal one. So your saying that Noirin has broken the friendship by going behind Marcus' back. If thats the case then Marcus broke it way before Noirin by going behind her back and slating her to every single one of the other housemates. He has been doing this for weeks.

I don't think Marcus has said anything about Noirin to someone else which he also hasn't said straight to her face. So I think you are completely wrong there. He has actually defended her sometimes (to his detriment) to other HMs.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Are we watching the same programme ?

Noirins been d*ckteasing every hetero man in the house. She's already got Tom in her sights and after him I wouldn't be suprised if she got to work trying to turn David.

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Originally posted by shar69:
Maybe he has said it to her face, but it doesn't make it right to go saying it to other people. I will tell my friend that shes being an idiot but I wouldn't go round telling everyone else she is an idiot. Maybe I am wrong and my meaning of friendship is different to yours.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Marcus has been a friend to Noirin (more than Siavash has really) so yeh I think Noirin should have been more upfront to him about liking others in the house. She was just trying to play different men simultaneously in the end to strengthen her position. Ironically I don't think she really needed to do that.

The house situation isn't really about 'love' in the normal sense, it's about friendships and alliances. Noirin by going behind Marcus's back has broken that. Luckily for her they may send her ex in which will give her another ally in the house, it may be too late for her by then though.

That is not 'true friendship'.
That is control.

A friend would allow another friend to develop their own feelings, in their own time.
They would not demand to know exactly what is going on in their friend's head, as soon as it is thought.

They would not be telling their friend that they are sub standard and should be changing themselves into the person they could be, in friend's imaginary, video game, twisted head.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
Are we watching the same programme ?

Noirins been d*ckteasing every hetero man in the house. She's already got Tom in her sights and after him I wouldn't be suprised if she got to work trying to turn David.

Are you denying that you've seen him saying that he doesn't love her and that he doesn't fancy her?

If so, then we are watching different programmes. I'm watching BB10.

If you have seen it, then can you explain why you think that that isn't playing mind games?

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Marcus can be domineering, but then so can Noirin. This is friendship in the Big Brother game and that meant getting a group together to combat Lisa's group. Marcus successfully did this. Marcus should admit he is wrong more often but I think he genuinely wanted to try and help Noirin by getting her to see that the 'cool' group were not superior to those she considered 'weirdos'.

In the confined situation of the house with not much to talk about or do maybe people can get obsessive with particular ideas but I don't think he meant harm. And he was probably just addressing Noirin's concerns anyway. If she wanted to talk about something else sometimes she should have said that. She has a free will of her own and I think she went to Marcus because she felt she could talk about her insecurities with him and maybe vica-versa. This is why the friendship was close and the split so painful.

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Originally posted by shar69:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by shar69:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Marcus has been a friend to Noirin (more than Siavash has really) so yeh I think Noirin should have been more upfront to him about liking others in the house. She was just trying to play different men simultaneously in the end to strengthen her position. Ironically I don't think she really needed to do that.

The house situation isn't really about 'love' in the normal sense, it's about friendships and alliances. Noirin by going behind Marcus's back has broken that. Luckily for her they may send her ex in which will give her another ally in the house, it may be too late for her by then though.

Yes the situation isn't a normal one. So your saying that Noirin has broken the friendship by going behind Marcus' back. If thats the case then Marcus broke it way before Noirin by going behind her back and slating her to every single one of the other housemates. He has been doing this for weeks.

I don't think Marcus has said anything about Noirin to someone else which he also hasn't said straight to her face. So I think you are completely wrong there. He has actually defended her sometimes (to his detriment) to other HMs.

Maybe he has said it to her face, but it doesn't make it right to go saying it to other people. I will tell my friend that shes being an idiot but I wouldn't go round telling everyone else she is an idiot. Maybe I am wrong and my meaning of friendship is different to yours.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
Are we watching the same programme ?

Noirins been d*ckteasing every hetero man in the house. She's already got Tom in her sights and after him I wouldn't be suprised if she got to work trying to turn David.

Are you denying that you've seen him saying that he doesn't love her and that he doesn't fancy her?

If so, then we are watching different programmes. I'm watching BB10.

If you have seen it, then can you explain why you think that that isn't playing mind games?

And who has the track record ?

Yes Marcus has been acting foolish because he's got feelings for her but I think it's fairly obvious that Noirin is the root cause.

RUN TOM RUN !!!

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Originally posted by Shar:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Are we watching the same programme ?

Noirins been d*ckteasing every hetero man in the house. She's already got Tom in her sights and after him I wouldn't be suprised if she got to work trying to turn David.

Sorry CO ... I normally agree with your point of view, but I think you're way over-simplifying things here ... Marcus, Siavash and Tom are grown men and big and bold enough to look after their own interests .... It's true we are not seeing the big picture with no LF ... but come on ... it's not all down to a femme fatale casting spells on every man that passes her way ...

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Shar:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Are we watching the same programme ?

Noirins been d*ckteasing every hetero man in the house. She's already got Tom in her sights and after him I wouldn't be suprised if she got to work trying to turn David.

Sorry CO ... I normally agree with your point of view, but I think you're way over-simplifying things here ... Marcus, Siavash and Tom are grown men and big and bold enough to look after their own interests .... It's true we are not seeing the big picture with no LF ... but come on ... it's not all down to a femme fatale casting spells on every man that passes her way ...

It's the double standards though, Siavash just cheated on his GF live on TV but that is overlooked because he's considered a good looking guy ? in fact people are feeling sorry for him.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
It's the double standards though, Siavash just cheated on his GF live on TV but that is overlooked because he's considered a good looking guy ? in fact people are feeling sorry for him.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Marcus can be domineering, but then so can Noirin. This is friendship in the Big Brother game and that meant getting a group together to combat Lisa's group. Marcus successfully did this. Marcus should admit he is wrong more often but I think he genuinely wanted to try and help Noirin by getting her to see that the 'cool' group were not superior to those she considered 'weirdos'.

In the confined situation of the house with not much to talk about or do maybe people can get obsessive with particular ideas but I don't think he meant harm. And he was probably just addressing Noirin's concerns anyway. If she wanted to talk about something else sometimes she should have said that. She has a free will of her own and I think she went to Marcus because she felt she could talk about her insecurities with him and maybe vica-versa. This is why the friendship was close and the split so painful.

Listen carefully to Marcus.
This is not a problem that has only occured in the BB house.
This is a problem in his real life and sounds like it stems from an unhappy childhood.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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“Well, obviously he fancies you and you don’t fancy him back so that is one level of upset,” explained Halfwit. “But what’s driving that more is the feeling that you’ve led him on,” he added to the shock of Noirin.

“How though?” she gasped.

“It’s definitely a vibe that I picked up on – that both of you knew there was no way you two would hook up, but you were still kind of entertaining that in the way you were acting,” he explained to the continued gasps from Noirin.

“How though? Give me examples,” she demanded, “I’ve told him a number of times I’m not interested.”

“The words you say are a very small part of the communication,” Halfwit explained. “It’s not as straightforward as that. I do think that after a certain point, you were obviously awkward. Before that point, you might have been saying you were just friends, but you were communicating interest. Unfortunately, by this time Marcus had allowed himself to emotionally invest in the situation.”

Is this a male thing then?
Ignoring words and looking for other clues?



I love Freddie, but he has shown a lack of understanding certain situations in the house!

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Listen carefully to Marcus.
This is not a problem that has only occured in the BB house.
This is a problem in his real life and sounds like it stems from an unhappy childhood.

I don't even want to speculate on the real life of any BB HM because I think it's pointless. I'm not about to assume how they act in real life or whatever may have happened in their life to mould them into what they are. I simply don't have and won't have that knowledge. Only themselves or those extremely close to them have that. That's the tabloids or trash mags approach, not mine.

Marcus may know her a bit better as he has talked to her quite alot (far more than we can see), but even he admits that outside the house she would be somewhat different than inside. That's the hope he was holding onto that her full self as revealed outside would be more attractive.

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Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
Watching Marcus reaction last night when Noirin told him about Siavash was very interesting. He was calm and controlled, and I seen it as Marcus admitting to himself that his game was up with Noirin, that he had lost that control over her that he had maintained for at least five weeks. She broke free. So he broke off their friendship, as her punishment for interfering with his gameplan, the emphasis being on the 'game', as in video-game.

But his brooding maniacal approach to the washing up was more telling of his true mindsett. He was too controlled, too calm, too together. He was absolutely livid with rage but he wouldn't show it. Marcus is in a parallel universe of his own where normal actions and reactions are alien to him. His reaction to Noirin's news proved to me that Marcus is the ultimate control freak and when he loses control of something, he goes to that place in his head that is beyond the comprehension of us lesser mortals. For his own sake, I think he should be removed immediately.

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Originally posted by fz:
I was wondering if BB had told her last night about her ex joining the house...

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Originally posted by Bojangles:
I agree with Twee Surgeon.Marcus is showing Psychopathic tendencies which could result in something paramount to murder.Although having written that I think psychologists are monitoring him closely and his removal could be sooner than we expected.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
I think Twee Surgeon is reading too much into things. Again it's people extrapolating actions with the Big Brother confines to outside the house and also trying to read too much about someone's personality from how they stare, how they wash plates etc. People didn't read Noirin's smiles and eyes with Siavash too well did they? lol. People can't always be happy and jolly on BB, they will have lows particularly when they feel they have lost their main friend in the house.

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Marcus told Tom in the house he's in a Matrix zone....He seems to have detached himself to the extent I think he may have difficulty finding his way back.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Marcus told Tom in the house he's in a Matrix zone....He seems to have detached himself to the extent I think he may have difficulty finding his way back.

Or simply used a bad metaphor to explain to Tom (who is falling apart after only 1 week in there) that life in the BB house is different from life in the real world.

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Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
bojangles, please do not quote me. I did not say that. Read my post again, please.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Bojangles:
I agree with Twee Surgeon.Marcus is showing Psychopathic tendencies which could result in something paramount to murder.Although having written that I think psychologists are monitoring him closely and his removal could be sooner than we expected.

And we move from the sublime to the ridiculous.

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Originally posted by Tayto:
He used video games as an example before he mentioned The Matrix that's why it was worrying to watch.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
He used video games as an example before he mentioned The Matrix that's why it was worrying to watch.

Don't fear the metaphor.

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Originally posted by Bojangles:

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Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
bojangles, please do not quote me. I did not say that. Read my post again, please.

I did not quote you,I agreed with what you had written then added my own feelings,as Marcus is not sleeping it is obvious there is something afoot.

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
He used video games as an example before he mentioned The Matrix that's why it was worrying to watch.

Don't fear the metaphor.

Metaphor my @rse .....................he lives in a vry strange world inside his head.