And all the bits Inbetween......good and bad.......

too bloody right. i saw that documentary on the queen and she can stand for up to 8 hours greeting people. just like the average ambassador, but they retire in their 60s, she's still doing her thing nudging up to her 90s.

not really bothered, dont care much either way.. dont dislike em, dont like em......

Everyone has their strengths

 

No one does paper dragons with people in them like the Chinese, no one did big posters of Lenin and tanks like the CCCP, no one does sultry sleazy voodooness like New Orleans, no one does drum banging and wearing orange sashes like Northern Irish, No one does angry beardy men praying and shouting like Iran.

and no one does ranty royal wedding day like Carnelian 

 

and, do you know what? I love it

Watching "Newsnight" where they seem to be interviewing people who have a vested interest in the perpetuation of royalty.

I felt like that yesterday Clumsy......but today I feel......different....(I am/not easily swayed)

Same here...

It made me very proud..

Same here, had zero interest and didnt watch a second of that crap today

Me?  Ranty?  Surely you're mistaken Rexi?

 

This was going to be my Media-Free-Friday, no internet, no TV (except DVDs) and a chest of draws to assemble.  I'm just pleased I haven't been watching it all day.  Had I been doing so, my PC would have been thrown out the window by now!

 

The clueless guff of the establishment hangers on being spouted in just the last half hour has wound me up far too much.  There's some fool on Newsnight right now saying there's no such thing as the 'middle class' and working class, there's just two classes, royal and commoner. 

 

It takes a royal wedding for these ivory towered buffoons to crawl out of the woodwork.

It's actually working class and boss class.

As I've said, I despise the whole thing

 

Everything about it stinks of unearned power, arrogance, wealth, deference, patronage and privilege.  It says loud and clear:  These people are better than you, more deserving and virtuous than you.  They deserve a life of pampered luxury because they are just better.  They are more worthy of making decisions than you and they are inherently superior to you. They are born to rule and you should love them for it.  Now shut up, bow, fawn and scrape for them like the good little insignificant plebby pondscum that you are.

 

The likes of Cameron and Osborne love it because it legitimises and underpins the class advantages they benefit from. Royalty epitomises wealth hanging on to status and power by virtue of buying into a self serving network generation after generation. Cameron and Osborne attend the same schools and flirt with the same elitist networks like the Bullingdon Club. All ensuring that the class pyramid stays rigidly in place and they and their family line stay at or near its apex.

 

The monied celebs love it, because while wealth is transitory and generational, getting your foot in the door of the establishment networks is priceless.  And money buys that foot in the door!  If the Beckhams play their cards right, their grandchildren will probably be Tory cabinet ministers.  The value of buying into generational advantage is priceless.   All this is theirs as long as they show the appropriate deference to their perceived contemporary social superiors.  And let's face it, two people who came into vast wealth in their early twenties in the entertainment industry are hardly going to be thorns in the side of the establishment.  They'll be knighthood in it for them or a House of Lords post. 

 

One of the most politically arrogant and corrupt things about this wedding has been the unprecedented right-wing establishment snub to former PMs, Brown and Blair.  I don't know if Cameron had a hand in this - and he's certainly arrogant, petty and spiteful enough to pull a stunt like this but it's a sign of the right wing establishment sticking two fingers up the office of PM and a party that was elected to government for three terms by millions of people.  No one should take the contrived Order of the Garter stuff seriously, as it doesn't stand up to any scrutiny.

 

While the masses see it as a big show and free party, It's really a big propaganda exercise for the monied elite and an amoral networking event for the rich and powerful to rub shoulders, including representatives of some of the most kleptocratic and murderous regimes.

 

Rant over!  Really, I shall say no more on the matter - promise!

Wow! Bags of material! I'll have to return to this one !

Positive points though?

 

 

Feel good factor.

 

Community spirit.

 

She (Kate) has a lovely smile and a nice dress.

Hasn't Tony Blair (the scumbag traitor to this country crook that he is) got rather more important things to do and sort out such as....THE MIDDLE EAST PROBLEMS, seeing as thats his job these days, to secure peace in that part of the world.

 

He's doing a wonderful job BTW.

 

Give me the royal family over former PM's who led our country to destruction any day.

How is Tony Blair a traitor to this country?  Your attitude is typical of the self righteous blinkered, arrogance of the right and nasty disrespect for those who democratically oppose them shown by Cameron and his obnoxious administration.

 

I'll repeat, HOW IS TONY BLAIR A TRAITOR?

 

You want 'traitors'?  Then how about Edward VIII and his pro-Nazi sympathies?  

 

Oh, and shouldn't Cameron and Osborne have more important things to do, like flat lining the country's economy and turning a recovery into a double dip recession? 

 

Give me democratically elected representative PMs (including Thatcher) elected by millions through the ballot box over glorified unelected benefit spongers any day!

 

 

I wonder which upset Brown most? The non invitation

......... Or Cameron screwing him over on the IMF job?

Feelgood factor?  No, what's to feel good about when the country's in austerity and many people are really suffering financially but are still supposed to pay deference to ostentation, inequality and greed?

 

Community spirit?  Don't make me laugh!  Where's that?  Or do you mean the false, showy, grand statements?  Community spirit is an everyday community and it isn't something that you pretend there is once a decade because someone of unearned wealth, you've never met and will never meet is getting married.

 

Shops up and down the country are filled with nice dresses.

Katie Perry's got a lovely smile and fills out a dress rather better than Kate.   Should we all have fawned over Russell Brand and Katie Perry's wedding?

TBF they soon bundled the Duke of Windsor out of the way. Speaking of which I'm sure that I have a picture of the England Football team doing nazi salutes somewhere.

Cameron's petty, sneering spite towards Brown and the democratic left is pathological.  Cameron seems to think the loathing towards Labour of Home Counties "Daily Mail" and "Telegraph" readers IS the consensus opinion of the entire country. 

 

The longer Cameron keeps his worthless feet under the table, the more vile and nasty his administration becomes and the more of a petty and arrogant jumped up ungracious little man he becomes.

Never the less, the traitor allegation sits far better with Edward VIII than it could ever do with Blair.

 

Blair is undoubtedly many things, but a traitor to this country, he is not.

Carnelian are you STILL moaning?

Here have some breakfast - you probably have a low bloodsugar or something

 

 

My point is that such generalisations belong to the enemy. We are meant to go for the objective arguments. Windsor and his mysterious partner did meet and give support to that 'itler one, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the House are Fascists . Just as Sir Stanley Matthews giving a "sieg heil" doesn't make Leo Walcott, little stevie Gerard, and probably Kevin Davies nazi supporters.

Thanks Issy, at times like this it slightly annoys me that if you're against the royals you're portrayed as grumpy party pooper, spoiling everyone's supposed 'fun'. My argument with the royals is a moral and political one, not because I'm a grumpy old sod, although I often am a grumpy old sod!

 

I've got high glucose levels ATM, apparently.  Another reasons to avoid the saccharine schmaltz of the royal wedding.

 

Put it this way, if my idea of 'fun' was going to dog fights or bear baiting and public hangings, and the nation declared yesterday as Traditional National Dog Fight, Bear Baiting and Public Executions Day and anyone who raises a moral objection is just a miserable old git trying to ruin everyone's fun and not being patriotic.

 

 

No it doesn't, but the present royal family hardly have the best record on race matters.  A number of them are casual racists. The whole institution is racist with a small 'r'. 

 

I don't think I made any generalisations, I just pointed out that if you're going to describe Tony Blair as a 'traitor' then Edward VIII fits the bill far better. The difference between Stanley Mathews and Edward VIII is that Stanley Mathews was just following protocol of the time, whereas Edward VIII had ideological sympathies with the Nazis.  I have no idea if Stanley Mathews was a fan of Nazism but it's well documented that Edward VIII was.

 

It doesn't mean the rest of them are traitors, or even that he is a traitor.  Just that he can be seen as considerably more treacherous than Tony Blair.

One also might consider coming to my area to suggest that the seemingly Thatcherite Blair was not a traitor to the working classes and see how far one gets. Mandelson and Blair systematically removed our candidates, never increased income tax, and allowed business to continue in a laissez faire manner.

Who is this George VIII of whom you speak? I've been in m'sick bed for ages. Has something happened?

IMO the rest of your long post was full of tenuous links, and non sequiturs, rather like a "Vote yes to AV!" post card that one might find on the front doormat. All these people earned their money through a system of theft, combat, and business. Do I envy their luxurious and pampered lifestyle? No. I find It all rather tasteless, but all harmless fun.

Well, the state has never hanged anyone for being a traitor to the working classes!  More likely to get an honour for it. 

 

I think it would be stretching incredulity to the absolute limit for the royals to say Tony was banned from the royal wedding for being a traitor to the working classes!

 

Now stop moaning and have a drink with us !

Blair is in good company. I was also banned from the royal wedding.

Personally, I don't think anyone who claims to be on the left of politics can support what the royals stand for. 

 

Adulation of wealth and privilege for the sake of it being harmless fun is a non-sequitor itself.

 

I've flicked through an edition of the Mirror today and it's full of sycophancy just like the Daily Mail and the BBC.  It spends the rest of the year deriding Cameron and his ilk for their establishment old school tie connections, easy money, cosy relations with big business etc but when it comes to the royals suddenly that kind of advantage is to be fawned over. 

 

 

 

The Grauniad, as promised, put everything in an easy to dispose supplement. As someone who claims to on the left I chose my enemies carefully. The royals are division three compared to Murdoch, the Banks, and multi nationals.

Good luck against Portsmouth though!

Cheers Garage Joe

 

Or Royal Artillery Portsmouth as I believe they were once known 100 or so years ago. 

 

Queens Park Rangers can win the Championship today!

 

Royalists get everywhere!

A bigotry held against warmock since his Plymouth days leaves me hoping that Norwich take the title by hook or by crook.

The game wouldn't be the same without Colin, though!

Aha! Caught you out.

 

You said you would say no more on the matter

I'm with you on that.