John James does not fancy her. He's just placating her now. How can that carry on for another 7 or 8 weeks?
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It can't somethings got to give.Then we will see what nasty really means with her.Plus the crying etc.
Why do they have people on Big Brother who have so little self-awareness?
Perhaps she is just being thankful for small mercies.
Perhaps she is just being thankful for small mercies.
She'll string it out.
Really can't see this continuing - i see Josie as another 'walker' frustrated at JJ lack of interest. Unless Keeley or another female bombshell rocks Josie fragile confidence.
Then stand back and watch the fire works.
Come on BB ... double eviction and get a slinky French strumpet in there!!!
Then stand back and watch the fire works.
Come on BB ... double eviction and get a slinky French strumpet in there!!!
As much as I don't like Josie, I think JJ is giving mixed messages.
Don't think he is doing it on purpose, but he is not exactly distancing himself from her.
Don't think he is doing it on purpose, but he is not exactly distancing himself from her.
JJ visited the diary room this morning and said he doesn't fancy her but he may have to leave rather than upset her.
http://www.channel4.com/bigbro...ted-to-josie/view.c4
http://www.channel4.com/bigbro...ted-to-josie/view.c4
I was beginning to think that JJ was protesting too much and he did really fancy her, but didn't want her to know whilst they were in the house.
I am now thinking that I got it all wrong
I am now thinking that I got it all wrong
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JJ visited the diary room this morning and said he doesn't fancy her but he may have to leave rather than upset her.
Thanks for the link longcat. I hope JJ doesn't leave.
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I was beginning to think that JJ was protesting too much and he did really fancy her, but didn't want her to know whilst they were in the house. I am now thinking that I got it all wrong
Me too. He is very confused isn't he LL?
I think he is and very thick skinned if he didn't see this coming. I also think he can be quite sensitive and the fact that he doesn't want to hurt her, shows this.
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I was beginning to think that JJ was protesting too much and he did really fancy her, but didn't want her to know whilst they were in the house. I am now thinking that I got it all wrong
I think he cares enough to not want to make her look an idiot on TV.
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As much as I don't like Josie, I think JJ is giving mixed messages.
And then some 
But they're only mixed messages if you fancy him. If Josie didn't feel that way towards him, then there would be no mixed messages. If you know what I mean 
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I think JJ is giving mixed messages. Don't think he is doing it on purpose, but he is not exactly distancing himself from her.
His mixed messages, merely reflect his state of mind. On one hand, it's important for him to feel wanted affectionately by women,
but on the other hand he wants to be emotionally detached, for fear of vulnerability.
Good post Sky.
LL
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His mixed messages, merely reflect his state of mind. On one hand, it's important for him to feel wanted affectionately by women, but on the other hand he wants to be emotionally detached, for fear of vulnerability.
And may be Josie 'not getting it' reflects her state of mind. Fear of rejection, humiliation etc. etc. It works both ways 
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Good post Sky.
I see what you mean LL about mixed messages and Josie fancying him.
She does fancy him, or she wants to latch on to him for attention, flattery and ambition and is very possessive.
If Josie has a crush on him, it is easy for her to interpret any small thing he does as proof that he feels the same way. JJ is giving out mega signals of devotion form what I can see. I would think I was in there with him too if he followed me around, showed so much concern over my welfare, AND wanted to leave the house for the way he did a while back.
JJ seems very complex and has a unique code conduct when it comes to loyalty.
I guess that stops him form distancing himself from Josie (plus his own need for security) osie is a possessive, compulsive attention seeker and manipulator and may not let go now without a fight. It's just a bad, bad combination. But I hope JJ stays.
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JJ seems very complex
You may find that, I don't! He's not complex to me. I see an angry bloke who is never wrong, finally meeting someone in his adult life who wont roll over and jump to his tune. Whether I love or loathe Josie is irrelevant, but I'm not getting in to a debate about how it's all her fault that he behaves the way he does. He's culpable for his behaviour, and she is for hers. If they both want to play a game and dance around the subject of a 'relationship' then I'm not falling in to the trap of excusing (what I see as) JJ's nasty behaviour on to one person. I don't like the bloke, so call me a 'hater'. That's my final word, so I'll exit this 'JJ is so misunderstood' now
Talking of mixed messages, Josie spent weeks saying she didn't fancy him (except in footie kit) and then suddenly she did. And she keeps on and on about how she knows he wouldn't fancy 'someone like her', but still gets the hump when that turns out to be true!
Bunny boiler par excellence..
Bunny boiler par excellence..
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greenandpink (Mario to win) offline 1,406 Forum Posts Today at 8:33 AM Last Edited: Reference: Good post Sky. I see what you mean LL about mixed messages and Josie fancying him. She does fancy him, or she wants to latch on to him for attention, flattery and ambition and is very possessive. If Josie has a crush on him, it is easy for her to interpret any small thing he does as proof that he feels the same way. JJ is giving out mega signals of devotion form what I can see. I would think I was in there with him too if he followed me around, showed so much concern over my welfare, AND wanted to leave the house for the way he did a while back. JJ seems very complex and has a unique code conduct when it comes to loyalty. I guess that stops him form distancing himself from Josie (plus his own need for security) osie is a possessive, compulsive attention seeker and manipulator and may not let go now without a fight. It's just a bad, bad combination. But I hope JJ stays.
I agree I think he is too. I also think he is very insecure and has alot of unresolved issues - doesn't excuse some of his behaviour though but maybe explains some of it.Reference:suzy
And may be Josie 'not getting it' reflects her state of mind. Fear of rejection, humiliation etc. etc. It works both ways
Naturally. Nevertheless, my response remains pertinent in the context of JJ's "mixed messages". 
And with him having such a conflicting dichotomy - .it's no wonder Josie's "not getting it". Bottom line - they're both very insecure people. 
I think Josie does "get it". She has said on several (thousand) occassions how guys like that don't go for girls like me. She knows he doesn't feel about her the way she thinks she feels about him (I'm not convinced) but she doesn't want him to want anyone else. If Josie let JJ get on with someone else, Josie will lose her airtime.
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You may find that, I don't! He's not complex to me. I see an angry bloke who is never wrong, finally meeting someone in his adult life who wont roll over and jump to his tune. Whether I love or loathe Josie is irrelevant, but I'm not getting in to a debate about how it's all her fault that he behaves the way he does. He's culpable for his behaviour, and she is for hers. If they both want to play a game and dance around the subject of a 'relationship' then I'm not falling in to the trap of excusing (what I see as) JJ's nasty behaviour on to one person. I don't like the bloke, so call me a 'hater'. That's my final word, so I'll exit this 'JJ is so misunderstood' now
I didn't think it was a debate about how she is to blame for his behaviour. That is not what I was saying.
Makes you wonder if he has a problem with his willy
Sed he doesn't like BJ's and sed he was a 30sec wonder
And seems to reject women
However ... he has kissed Mario
Hmmmm
Sed he doesn't like BJ's and sed he was a 30sec wonder
And seems to reject women
However ... he has kissed Mario
Hmmmm
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Bottom line - they're both very insecure people.
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doesn't excuse some of his behaviour though but maybe explains some of it
I also thought JJ fancied her, but didn't know how to show it or say it.....I now think I got it wrong too
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If there has t be a single bottom line
Definitely has to be, in their case. He doesn't have an arse at all, so they have to share hers. 
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Talking of mixed messages, Josie spent weeks saying she didn't fancy him (except in footie kit) and then suddenly she did. And she keeps on and on about how she knows he wouldn't fancy 'someone like her', but still gets the hump when that turns out to be true! Bunny boiler par excellence..
BB says: "What do you think tomorrow will hold in store for our doomed lovers? Will this lead to another housemate walking through the back door? Or will JJ see sense?"
Not that they're desperate for JJ to justify the hours of airtime and just get with the script, dammit...
Not that they're desperate for JJ to justify the hours of airtime and just get with the script, dammit...
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He doesn't have an arse at all, so they have to share hers.
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Talking of mixed messages, Josie spent weeks saying she didn't fancy him (except in footie kit) and then suddenly she did. And she keeps on and on about how she knows he wouldn't fancy 'someone like her', but still gets the hump when that turns out to be true! Bunny boiler par excellence..
JJ told her he loved her,said he'd never leave her,was going to leave if she didn't speak to him(emotional blackmail),said how he depends on her to get through in there....Who's using who I ask?
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JJ told her he loved her,said he'd never leave her,was going to leave if she didn't speak to him(emotional blackmail),said how he depends on her to get through in there....Who's using who I ask?
Lee, I agree - but it's not all down to one person. They're both to blame and frankly deserve each other.
I agree they are both to blame. JJ needs to tell her he does not fancy her (if indeed that is true) and then she needs to accept that and stop harping on about her feelings to him.
I agree too,both are acting like fools in different ways but they're as needy as each other.
JJ has made it clear to others in the house and to BB that it is just a matey & platonic relationship.
Yet it seems that Josie is not aware of this.
Has he made it clear to her?
Has he made it clear enough?
Or is he dliberately not making it clear to her (puppet on a string.)
Or perhaps Josie is one of those self-delusional people who simply will not accept the facts as they are. Nothing will convince her otherwise because she is happy in her fantasy land.
An advantage of this of course, is that when it all falls apart, she can then play the victim and become the wounded woman.
Yet it seems that Josie is not aware of this.
Has he made it clear to her?
Has he made it clear enough?
Or is he dliberately not making it clear to her (puppet on a string.)
Or perhaps Josie is one of those self-delusional people who simply will not accept the facts as they are. Nothing will convince her otherwise because she is happy in her fantasy land.
An advantage of this of course, is that when it all falls apart, she can then play the victim and become the wounded woman.