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Originally posted by Cagney:
But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.

There are also dedicated MJ sites or even PMs if people want private 'grief' chats with just like-minded people. Common decency is really just another name for social censoring. For instance, it's common decency in my world to respect the principle of innocent until proven guilty before the law but a surprisingly large swathe of the forum don't seem to have that common decency. So be it, it's a forum afterall. I'm happy to argue the toss each time.

I don't buy the piggy-backing in the argument of personal, unrelated grief onto celebrity deaths and censoring others on that basis either. That piggy-backing smacks of emotional manipulation to me, unconsciously or otherwise. I doubt if I'm the only one but when I've encountered family deaths, I've found that everyone seems to be joking about death or making insensitive comments. I just deal with it internally rather than make a public issue out of it as I know I'm sensitised at that point. For sure, a celebrity death might be a conduit for repressed emotions from other deaths but that's a personal thing.

Celebrity grief isn't the same as grief one feels when someone close dies. Personal grief can take years to quell. I bet most people renting their clothes now over MJ will have got happily drunk this weekend or will be getting on with their normal lives in a day or two. It's just a hightened emotional moment, possibly leaving a residual sadness for a few days, and a bit of nostalgia when his songs are played.
FM
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Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
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Originally posted by Cagney:
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
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Originally posted by Cagney:


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.


Nod


It's not rocket science eh? Big Grin

IMO it's antagonistic.
I am sorry if my posts re the kids seemed offensive.... apologies.. Valentine


I didn't see them as offensive at all. Just discussion without a value judgement.
subatomic partygirl
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Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
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Originally posted by Cagney:
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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
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Originally posted by Cagney:


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.


Nod


It's not rocket science eh? Big Grin

IMO it's antagonistic.
I am sorry if my posts re the kids seemed offensive.... apologies.. Valentine


I'm not offended Hug

Like I said there is a time and a place and this thread seems to be for all opinions.

My gripe is for threads specifically aimed at fans where others (non fans) come in taking the piss
Cagney
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Cagney:
But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.

There are also dedicated MJ sites or even PMs if people want private 'grief' chats with just like-minded people. Common decency is really just another name for social censoring. For instance, it's common decency in my world to respect the principle of innocent until proven guilty before the law but a surprisingly large swathe of the forum don't seem to have that common decency. So be it, it's a forum afterall. I'm happy to argue the toss each time.

I don't buy the piggy-backing in the argument of personal, unrelated grief onto celebrity deaths and censoring others on that basis either. That piggy-backing smacks of emotional manipulation to me, unconsciously or otherwise. I doubt if I'm the only one but when I've encountered family deaths, I've found that everyone seems to be joking about death or making insensitive comments. I just deal with it internally rather than make a public issue out of it as I know I'm sensitised at that point. For sure, a celebrity death might be a conduit for repressed emotions from other deaths but that's a personal thing.

Celebrity grief isn't the same as grief one feels when someone close dies. Personal grief can take years to quell. I bet most people renting their clothes now over MJ will have got happily drunk this weekend or will be getting on with their normal lives in a day or two. It's just a hightened emotional moment, possibly leaving a residual sadness for a few days, and a bit of nostalgia when his songs are played.


Indeed. Well said DanJay. Clapping
Garage Joe
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


havent got the time or the notion to read thru 21 pages which this thread has so far clocked up but I think the OP makes a very good point and whilst it is sad that somebody has died, I have to say that Mr Jackson never touched my life either musically or otherwise so I cant muster up any more upset about his death than some random in the newspaper that I have never heard of. Yes, he was talented but not my cuppa tea. In many respects he had a sad life, especially his childhood, but he also had lots of opportunites because of that lifestyle which us mere mortals never encounter. I am sorry that he has died young and as such will be immortalised like so many others before him who have also died young but for me personally I will not be shedding a tear
ZAYLEE
I dont care who respects MJ or disrepects him everyone is entitled to view their OWN opinion on him........what I find quite sickening is that during a general discusion on the issue the day after he died the op decided to enter the thread telling sickening jokes about the child abuse issue.....So I think thats why people may have told you to show some respect.......not because MJ had died but them jokes are disrespectful in themselves and not funny.

Shake Head
Lockes
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Daniel J*:
For instance, it's common decency in my world to respect the principle of innocent until proven guilty

I agree with your illustrated view re. the differences between "celebrity" deaths and "close" related deaths, but i've also noticed how some FMs who favour MJ less than others, have even tried to coerce the MJ fans into showing some "respect" to another FMs sad loss! whilst i acknowledge the sad losses of others who aren't "well known"....it should be logically understood WHY MJ (and other popular people) ARE acknowledged - because they're well known! NOT because they're considered more important!

I highlighted that particular part of your post (above) because of its irony....as in "guilty before proven innocent"..it seems to be the main (excuse?) or reason certain individuals display a disliking for MJ...it seems they've acquired "evidence" hidden from the rest of the world.. Roll Eyes
Sky
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

Sorry Big Grin Conspiracy Theory, which may or may not include requests for further post mortems, accusations of wrong-doing, mystery, comedy, tradgedy etc.


In death as in life eh? We'll never know the truth imo. The only thing that keeps popping into my mind when I think about it is the strangeness of the timing. How many people REALLY thought he would do all those O2 gigs? It's almost as if it were pre-ordained.

That's not a conspiracy theory btw - just a comment. It's not really affected me, I like some of his music, but wasn't a huge fan. Sorry for his kids obviously, but then, I was sorry for his kids when he was alive too.
Kaffs
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
What's going on here now is a fight for the centre space where 'normal' people hang out. Is the celebrity grief normal? The indifference normal? Whose common decency is really common, or decent? Whose not rocket science is logical and obvious rather than just a mere opinion?


Yes I think you are right Daniel.
FM
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Originally posted by Sky:
I highlighted that particular part of your post (above) because of its irony....as in "guilty before proven innocent"..it seems to be the main (excuse?) or reason certain individuals display a disliking for MJ...it seems they've acquired "evidence" hidden from the rest of the world.. Roll Eyes

I've spotted that too and sat on my hands as we've already done that one recently. I don't actually dislike MJ myself, I'm mostly indifferent but I thought he was very odd and quite delusional. That's observation rather than dislike. There's the tragedy for me, not his untimely death. Also, the obsessive fans are quite arguably complicit in that tragedy although that's probably quite an unpopular thing to say.

I'm a huge fan of James (the band) and I think Tim Booth is god-like. When they split up a few years ago, I was very sad as their music completely fills me up, spins me around, and leaves me quite exhausted if I'm in the right mood. And their concerts, lordy! Luckily, they're back together again and going strong but I 'mourned' the loss of their future music making at the time. In my responses to that, I've always separated their public music from their private lives though. I'm not actually that interested in the people themselves, truth be told.
FM
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Originally posted by Sky:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Daniel J*:
For instance, it's common decency in my world to respect the principle of innocent until proven guilty

I agree with your illustrated view re. the differences between "celebrity" deaths and "close" related deaths, but i've also noticed how some FMs who favour MJ less than others, have even tried to coerce the MJ fans into showing some "respect" to another FMs sad loss! whilst i acknowledge the sad losses of others who aren't "well known"....it should be logically understood WHY MJ (and other popular people) ARE acknowledged - because they're well known! NOT because they're considered more important!

I highlighted that particular part of your post (above) because of its irony....as in "guilty before proven innocent"..it seems to be the main (excuse?) or reason certain individuals display a disliking for MJ...it seems they've acquired "evidence" hidden from the rest of the world.. Roll Eyes





I cant believe that people are arguing over the merits of MJ. Everyone respect or don't respect, it is up to each individual person. May I point out that there is a FM on here who lost her mum today and I only hope that everyone of you have gone to her thread to give your condolances to her, now that would be a respectful thing to do.

Show me here, where I have tried to coerce anyone? I supported everyones right to have an opinion. And please note I said 'I hope' not 'you must', send the fm your condolances.
Mentalist
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
I dont care who respects MJ or disrepects him everyone is entitled to view their OWN opinion on him........what I find quite sickening is that during a general discusion on the issue the day after he died the op decided to enter the thread telling sickening jokes about the child abuse issue.....So I think thats why people may have told you to show some respect.......not because MJ had died but them jokes are disrespectful in themselves and not funny.

Shake Head
I agree with you, it sickens me that people still this even after his death...
prettycocoaeyes
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
I dont care who respects MJ or disrepects him everyone is entitled to view their OWN opinion on him........what I find quite sickening is that during a general discusion on the issue the day after he died the op decided to enter the thread telling sickening jokes about the child abuse issue.....So I think thats why people may have told you to show some respect.......not because MJ had died but them jokes are disrespectful in themselves and not funny.

Shake Head
I agree with you, it sickens me that people still this even after his death...


I still believe MJ was guilty, and I am adamant that had he just been your average Joe Bloggs then he would have had the book thrown at him and would be rotting in a prison cell. In Martin Bashairs interview Michal Jackson said to him, 'I think it is special to share a bed with a young boy' For crying it loud that is almost evidence enough in itself! That aside, he is a great music artist and he should be duly remembered for this, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the stuff should be forgotten.
I
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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
I dont care who respects MJ or disrepects him everyone is entitled to view their OWN opinion on him........what I find quite sickening is that during a general discusion on the issue the day after he died the op decided to enter the thread telling sickening jokes about the child abuse issue.....So I think thats why people may have told you to show some respect.......not because MJ had died but them jokes are disrespectful in themselves and not funny.

Shake Head
I agree with you, it sickens me that people still this even after his death...


I still believe MJ was guilty, and I am adamant that had he just been your average Joe Bloggs then he would have had the book thrown at him and would be rotting in a prison cell. In Martin Bashairs interview Michal Jackson said to him, 'I think it is special to share a bed with a young boy' For crying it loud that is almost evidence enough in itself! That aside, he is a great music artist and he should be duly remembered for this, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the stuff should be forgotten.


Nod
Liverpoollass
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

There are also dedicated MJ sites or even PMs if people want private 'grief' chats with just like-minded people. Common decency is really just another name for social censoring. For instance, it's common decency in my world to respect the principle of innocent until proven guilty before the law but a surprisingly large swathe of the forum don't seem to have that common decency. So be it, it's a forum afterall. I'm happy to argue the toss each time.

I don't buy the piggy-backing in the argument of personal, unrelated grief onto celebrity deaths and censoring others on that basis either. That piggy-backing smacks of emotional manipulation to me, unconsciously or otherwise. I doubt if I'm the only one but when I've encountered family deaths, I've found that everyone seems to be joking about death or making insensitive comments. I just deal with it internally rather than make a public issue out of it as I know I'm sensitised at that point. For sure, a celebrity death might be a conduit for repressed emotions from other deaths but that's a personal thing.

Celebrity grief isn't the same as grief one feels when someone close dies. Personal grief can take years to quell. I bet most people renting their clothes now over MJ will have got happily drunk this weekend or will be getting on with their normal lives in a day or two. It's just a hightened emotional moment, possibly leaving a residual sadness for a few days, and a bit of nostalgia when his songs are played.


I agree with everything you said despite being one of those opposing your opinion regarding 'innocent until proven guilty' and in retrospect I shouldn't have made the comment I did (but here's not the place to discuss that).

I lost my parents within a very short space of time a few years ago and the profound pain I still feel doesn't compare to sadness I feel about MJ, who I admired because of his contribution to the world of music.
FM
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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
I dont care who respects MJ or disrepects him everyone is entitled to view their OWN opinion on him........what I find quite sickening is that during a general discusion on the issue the day after he died the op decided to enter the thread telling sickening jokes about the child abuse issue.....So I think thats why people may have told you to show some respect.......not because MJ had died but them jokes are disrespectful in themselves and not funny.

Shake Head
I agree with you, it sickens me that people still this even after his death...


I still believe MJ was guilty, and I am adamant that had he just been your average Joe Bloggs then he would have had the book thrown at him and would be rotting in a prison cell. In Martin Bashairs interview Michal Jackson said to him, 'I think it is special to share a bed with a young boy' For crying it loud that is almost evidence enough in itself! That aside, he is a great music artist and he should be duly remembered for this, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the stuff should be forgotten.


I believe he was a victim of being too trusting and letting money grabbing devils into his life.... The blogs have been buzzing with news that the kid who accused Michael in 93 has confessed that his dad put him up to it...

Matthew Bashir has come out with a statement saying Michael didnt do anything wrong I wonder why he is saying this now when nothing matters...

Michael was innocent and it was after all these accusations and the witch hunt by the media and wicked and hurtful words from people that killed him eventually...

I just wish all the media and celebs displaying their love for him now showed him all that when he was alive...
prettycocoaeyes
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I believe he was a victim of being too trusting and letting money grabbing devils into his life.... The blogs have been buzzing with news that the kid who accused Michael in 93 has confessed that his dad put him up to it...

Matthew Bashir has come out with a statement saying Michael didnt do anything wrong I wonder why he is saying this now when nothing matters...

Michael was innocent and it was after all these accusations and the witch hunt by the media and wicked and hurtful words from people that killed him eventually...

I just wish all the media and celebs displaying their love for him now showed him all that when he was alive...


Watching the news about MJ over the past few days, one of the channels dragged up the 'evidence' which helped get him into the dock.

One of the things mentioned was the 'under the shelf' mags found in MJs house, but no mention that although they were in his house, they were found in quarters used by security AND in fact had DNA evidence on them linking them to a particular security operative.

The media knows this, along with other so called evidence that was blown out of the water during his trial, so why do they think it right to mention it is beyond me unless it's just for a few more column inches or minutes of air time.
Confused
FM
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
hal
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Originally posted by Joods:
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I believe he was a victim of being too trusting and letting money grabbing devils into his life.... The blogs have been buzzing with news that the kid who accused Michael in 93 has confessed that his dad put him up to it...

Matthew Bashir has come out with a statement saying Michael didnt do anything wrong I wonder why he is saying this now when nothing matters...

Michael was innocent and it was after all these accusations and the witch hunt by the media and wicked and hurtful words from people that killed him eventually...

I just wish all the media and celebs displaying their love for him now showed him all that when he was alive...


Watching the news about MJ over the past few days, one of the channels dragged up the 'evidence' which helped get him into the dock.

One of the things mentioned was the 'under the shelf' mags found in MJs house, but no mention that although they were in his house, they were found in quarters used by security AND in fact had DNA evidence on them linking them to a particular security operative.

The media knows this, along with other so called evidence that was blown out of the water during his trial, so why do they think it right to mention it is beyond me unless it's just for a few more column inches or minutes of air time.
Confused
Im confused and sickened myself with all this new information coming out... The media sickens me with their obvious hypocrisy, they started the assassination of Michael's character now they want to pretend as if they cared...

Im lost for words.. My only hope is that both families come forward and confess especially the ones who are spending blood money now...

I hope Michael is vindicated atleast for his legacy eventhough he is not alive to see it Frowner.
prettycocoaeyes
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
Show me here, where I have tried to coerce anyone? I supported everyones right to have an opinion. And please note I said 'I hope' not 'you must', send the fm your condolances.

There was a very strong parent-child transaction implicit in what you said. I also thought it was a bit out of order to link that thread with these ones.
FM
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
Show me here, where I have tried to coerce anyone? I supported everyones right to have an opinion. And please note I said 'I hope' not 'you must', send the fm your condolances.

There was a very strong parent-child transaction implicit in what you said. I also thought it was a bit out of order to link that thread with these ones.


Sorry that wasn't my intention, it was bugging me that people were getting so heated over this. I'm afraid I don't have the skills with words that you have, I just couldn't see why everyone couldn't agree to disagree. I admit I don't get the respecting celebrity thing, but I do respect peoples right to do so. If I offended it was not what I set out to do.
Mentalist
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
Sorry that wasn't my intention, it was bugging me that people were getting so heated over this. I'm afraid I don't have the skills with words that you have, I just couldn't see why everyone couldn't agree to disagree. I admit I don't get the respecting celebrity thing, but I do respect peoples right to do so. If I offended it was not what I set out to do.

Tone often gets lost in the written word but if you read it in a scolding parent's voice then it sounds that way. That's perhaps not the right voice to read it in though, I accept. I'm just explaining, really. I then felt I couldn't go into that thread - I didn't know it existed before that - because it would have seemed insincere. Doh. I wasn't actually offended by the reference to the thread although I confess I cringed a bit. I don't get offended as a rule by forum stuff. It just shows how different people are though as I would have hated that other thread to have even been posted. I don't doubt the good intentions of the poster and it might have been the right thing for the forum member but not for me. I don't tend to share those events.
FM
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.
longcat
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.


Had this conversation yesterday. Some family members think it was all innocent (I think I tend to go along those lines - even if I do believe it was misguided at best) but when asked 'Would you let your child/grandchild do it' the overwhelming response was 'I wouldn't let a child of mine near him'.
Kaffs
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Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.


Had this conversation yesterday. Some family member think it was all innocent (I think I tend to go along those lines - even if I do believe it was misguided at best) but when asked 'Would you let your child/grandchild do it' the overwhelming response was 'I wouldn't let a child of mine near him'.
I think if MJ had been found guilty each and every parent who let their child share his bed should have been charged too.
longcat
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Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.


Had this conversation yesterday. Some family members think it was all innocent (I think I tend to go along those lines - even if I do believe it was misguided at best) but when asked 'Would you let your child/grandchild do it' the overwhelming response was 'I wouldn't let a child of mine near him'.




buts its not just "HIM" is it really what person in the right mind would let any child share a bed with a man they bearly knew Confused
Lockes
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
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Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.


Had this conversation yesterday. Some family members think it was all innocent (I think I tend to go along those lines - even if I do believe it was misguided at best) but when asked 'Would you let your child/grandchild do it' the overwhelming response was 'I wouldn't let a child of mine near him'.




buts its not just "HIM" is it really what person in the right mind would let any child share a bed with a man they bearly knew Confused
You wouldn't let the average Joe in the street share a bed with your child yet because its MJ its acceptable i find that so scary.
longcat
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
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Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.


Had this conversation yesterday. Some family members think it was all innocent (I think I tend to go along those lines - even if I do believe it was misguided at best) but when asked 'Would you let your child/grandchild do it' the overwhelming response was 'I wouldn't let a child of mine near him'.




buts its not just "HIM" is it really what person in the right mind would let any child share a bed with a man they bearly knew Confused
You wouldn't let the average Joe in the street share a bed with your child yet because its MJ its acceptable i find that so scary.



sorry longcat I didnt say it was acceptable for any child to share a bed with MJ Confused
Lockes
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
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Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by hal:
I would like to believe he is innocent...and was being set up by money hungry folks.

But what was he thinking? Anyone with a shred of common sense would know to keep away from young children that are not of their own..erring on the safe side

There is an innocence about him that is so sad imo, he was bestowed with a tremendous talent but lot less in other depts.
I find it amazing that any MJ fan thinks it was acceptable for him to share his bed with young boys. I wonder if they would have let their child sleep in the same bed with him.


Had this conversation yesterday. Some family members think it was all innocent (I think I tend to go along those lines - even if I do believe it was misguided at best) but when asked 'Would you let your child/grandchild do it' the overwhelming response was 'I wouldn't let a child of mine near him'.




buts its not just "HIM" is it really what person in the right mind would let any child share a bed with a man they bearly knew Confused
You wouldn't let the average Joe in the street share a bed with your child yet because its MJ its acceptable i find that so scary.



sorry longcat I didnt say it was acceptable for any child to share a bed with MJ Confused
I know you didnt i was agreeing with you.
longcat
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
Sorry that wasn't my intention, it was bugging me that people were getting so heated over this. I'm afraid I don't have the skills with words that you have, I just couldn't see why everyone couldn't agree to disagree. I admit I don't get the respecting celebrity thing, but I do respect peoples right to do so. If I offended it was not what I set out to do.

Tone often gets lost in the written word but if you read it in a scolding parent's voice then it sounds that way. That's perhaps not the right voice to read it in though, I accept. I'm just explaining, really. I then felt I couldn't go into that thread - I didn't know it existed before that - because it would have seemed insincere. Doh. I wasn't actually offended by the reference to the thread although I confess I cringed a bit. I don't get offended as a rule by forum stuff. It just shows how different people are though as I would have hated that other thread to have even been posted. I don't doubt the good intentions of the poster and it might have been the right thing for the forum member but not for me. I don't tend to share those events.


When you put it that way I see what you mean, if anyone had gone in after that it could look as if they were only there because of what I said. That didn't even cross my mind. Perhaps I need to put my brain in gear before I post, I forget sometimes that how thing are construed in real life comes across very differently when put in the written word. My apologies to anyone who thought that is what I meant.
Mentalist
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
Sorry that wasn't my intention, it was bugging me that people were getting so heated over this. I'm afraid I don't have the skills with words that you have, I just couldn't see why everyone couldn't agree to disagree. I admit I don't get the respecting celebrity thing, but I do respect peoples right to do so. If I offended it was not what I set out to do.

Tone often gets lost in the written word but if you read it in a scolding parent's voice then it sounds that way. That's perhaps not the right voice to read it in though, I accept. I'm just explaining, really. I then felt I couldn't go into that thread - I didn't know it existed before that - because it would have seemed insincere. Doh. I wasn't actually offended by the reference to the thread although I confess I cringed a bit. I don't get offended as a rule by forum stuff. It just shows how different people are though as I would have hated that other thread to have even been posted. I don't doubt the good intentions of the poster and it might have been the right thing for the forum member but not for me. I don't tend to share those events.


When you put it that way I see what you mean, if anyone had gone in after that it could look as if they were only there because of what I said. That didn't even cross my mind. Perhaps I need to put my brain in gear before I post, I forget sometimes that how thing are construed in real life comes across very differently when put in the written word. My apologies to anyone who thought that is what I meant.


Bless ya Hug
TiGi
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Originally posted by TiGi:
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Mentalist:
Sorry that wasn't my intention, it was bugging me that people were getting so heated over this. I'm afraid I don't have the skills with words that you have, I just couldn't see why everyone couldn't agree to disagree. I admit I don't get the respecting celebrity thing, but I do respect peoples right to do so. If I offended it was not what I set out to do.

Tone often gets lost in the written word but if you read it in a scolding parent's voice then it sounds that way. That's perhaps not the right voice to read it in though, I accept. I'm just explaining, really. I then felt I couldn't go into that thread - I didn't know it existed before that - because it would have seemed insincere. Doh. I wasn't actually offended by the reference to the thread although I confess I cringed a bit. I don't get offended as a rule by forum stuff. It just shows how different people are though as I would have hated that other thread to have even been posted. I don't doubt the good intentions of the poster and it might have been the right thing for the forum member but not for me. I don't tend to share those events.


When you put it that way I see what you mean, if anyone had gone in after that it could look as if they were only there because of what I said. That didn't even cross my mind. Perhaps I need to put my brain in gear before I post, I forget sometimes that how thing are construed in real life comes across very differently when put in the written word. My apologies to anyone who thought that is what I meant.


Bless ya Hug


Hear hear Hug and thanks Daniel.. Hug Thumbs Up
Sky
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by longcat:
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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
sorry longcat I didnt say it was acceptable for any child to share a bed with MJ Confused
I know you didnt i was agreeing with you.



sorry lost in translation Big Grin
The written word can be confusing.[/QUOTE]

lost in translation is a popular today Smiler[/QUOTE] very Smiler
hal
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

Michael was innocent and it was after all these accusations and the witch hunt by the media and wicked and hurtful words from people that killed him eventually...



How can you be SO certain of this? I don't think anyone will EVER know whether he was innocent or not, only those involved. As for what caused his death, that's still under investigation, but I think it's a bit early to be throwing 'Diana' style allegations about.
Karma_
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Originally posted by Karma_:
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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
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Originally posted by Karma_:
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Originally posted by electric6:
She is Peter Andre! Eeker

It's all so clear to me now...


PETE'S A TROG AND DESERVES RESPECT Mad



I thought Reg Presely was a Trogg?


He deserves respect too even though I don't know who the fuk he is Mad


think Wet, Wet, Wet...Love is All Around...

He was the bloke what wrote it!!
Croctacus
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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
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Originally posted by Karma_:
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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
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Originally posted by Karma_:
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Originally posted by electric6:
She is Peter Andre! Eeker

It's all so clear to me now...


PETE'S A TROG AND DESERVES RESPECT Mad



I thought Reg Presely was a Trogg?


He deserves respect too even though I don't know who the fuk he is Mad


think Wet, Wet, Wet...Love is All Around...

He was the bloke what wrote it!!



Ohhhh...well he deserves a respectful kick in the bollocks for writing such a shit song Cool
Karma_
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Originally posted by Veggieburger:
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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
sorry I did not recognise Jordan at first Confused...I honesly thought it was a bloke in drag Eeker btw...it IS Jordan is it not? Red Face


You think you've got problems Bagel, I thought it was Posh Spice Red Face Big Grin

Hope you had a fabby time away Valentine
Have to say; I think posh Spice looks rank lately, Much older than her years, and way way way too thin. Shake Head
CheekyPixie
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Originally posted by Cheeky-Pixie:
Have to say; I think posh Spice looks rank lately, Much older than her years, and way way way too thin. Shake Head


I never really see the celebs CP unless people put links on here. I don't buy the mags and don't watch the progs.

I am ultra rubbish at celeb recognition - unless they are footballers Big Grin
FM
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Originally posted by Veggieburger:
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Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
sorry I did not recognise Jordan at first Confused...I honesly thought it was a bloke in drag Eeker btw...it IS Jordan is it not? Red Face


You think you've got problems Bagel, I thought it was Posh Spice Red Face Big Grin

Hope you had a fabby time away Valentine



it was the mouth that threw me..wheres the plumpness? Big Grin
BQ

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