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Originally posted by fabienne:
Oh I agree. But then that goes for all other emotions too. Much of the stuff discussed on forums could be considered as mawkish and sentimental, or downright trivial, but I guess it's what makes us human (including the right to disagree). Smiler

I'm naturally averse to sentimentalism but I think I was damaged beyond repair by the Madeleine story and the forum reactions throughout. I remain, to this day, absolutely astonished by that. It used to make me feel variously sick and amused. Then came the Jade threads. Poor MJ didn't stand a chance as I was highly sensitised by then.
FM
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by fabienne:
Oh I agree. But then that goes for all other emotions too. Much of the stuff discussed on forums could be considered as mawkish and sentimental, or downright trivial, but I guess it's what makes us human (including the right to disagree). Smiler

I'm naturally averse to sentimentalism but I think I was damaged beyond repair by the Madeleine story and the forum reactions throughout. I remain, to this day, absolutely astonished by that. It used to make me feel variously sick and amused. Then came the Jade threads. Poor MJ didn't stand a chance as I was highly sensitised by then.


Hmmm, I know what you mean. I think I'm better off out of here tonight. Smiler
fabienne
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?
FM
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Still waiting for examples of the belittling, Suzi...
The Secretary
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
I think I might be on the way to a drunken state, I should perhaps get out of here before I say something I should not.

Oh, bugger it, I will stick around a bit.


Hahahahaha

Ello stranger Haven't seen you since the tent days - hope you're well


Veggie Valentine Good to see you girl. wavey

All is good, pop in once in a while, things just go so fast they usually lose me somewhere along the line.

However, I have lots of nice drinks around and am thinking of hanging around here for awhile. Just to comment on Sree as well. Mad

Valentine
C
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Still waiting for examples of the belittling, Suzi...


Your opening post, Trev. You took a comment that one poster made about how everyone should respect MJ and ran with it. I felt that you were belittling anyone who was sad at his demise.

"Get over it" were your words, not mine.
FM
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I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Ohhhhhh, I am so not belittling anyone at all for their feelings, a lot of people really adored the man. I am a David Bowie fan myself and I would be really upset if he passed. But I really havent seen anyone disrepect anyones feelings here, they have just said they did not like him and should not feel compelled to give him respect. Perhaps I havent been around much but at least in this tread, I havent seen it so far.

Dont worry what people are saying, everyone is entitled to feel what they feel. I just did not like him in the later years and am not upset about this at all.
C
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Still waiting for examples of the belittling, Suzi...


Your opening post, Trev. You took a comment that one poster made about how everyone should respect MJ and ran with it. I felt that you were belittling anyone who was sad at his demise.

"Get over it" were your words, not mine.


Get over the fact that I don't respect Micheal Jackson.

That didn't belittle anyone.

And it wasn't just ONE poster. It was all over the forum this morning and all day yesterday.

So what you 'felt' was wrong.
The Secretary
Suzi, I assumed that this thread had been started out of frustration at Choccy/Amy/CFL spamming the forum with 'You must respect Michael Jackson' posts. I don't think anyone is belittling people who are saddened by his death, but quite a few people are getting fairly fed up with Choccy forcing her opinions on everyone yet again. The only thing she hasn't said so far is LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!!
FM
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather than start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..
bozzimacoo
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Still waiting for examples of the belittling, Suzi...


Your opening post, Trev. You took a comment that one poster made about how everyone should respect MJ and ran with it. I felt that you were belittling anyone who was sad at his demise.

"Get over it" were your words, not mine.


Get over the fact that I don't respect Micheal Jackson.

That didn't belittle anyone.

And it wasn't just ONE poster. It was all over the forum this morning and all day yesterday.

So what you 'felt' was wrong.


So, my feelings are wrong but yours are right? OK. I get it now.
FM
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
quote:
Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..


I didn't understand a word of that Confused
The Secretary
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Still waiting for examples of the belittling, Suzi...


Your opening post, Trev. You took a comment that one poster made about how everyone should respect MJ and ran with it. I felt that you were belittling anyone who was sad at his demise.

"Get over it" were your words, not mine.


Get over the fact that I don't respect Micheal Jackson.

That didn't belittle anyone.

And it wasn't just ONE poster. It was all over the forum this morning and all day yesterday.

So what you 'felt' was wrong.


So, my feelings are wrong but yours are right? OK. I get it now.


No, what you 'felt' about the intentions of my post are wrong.
The Secretary
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
Veggie Valentine Good to see you girl. wavey

All is good, pop in once in a while, things just go so fast they usually lose me somewhere along the line.

However, I have lots of nice drinks around and am thinking of hanging around here for awhile. Just to comment on Sree as well. Mad

Valentine


*hands cinders a suit of armour* Big Grin
FM
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
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You know what, Trev? I don't really care. You're quick enough to jump on others, yet can't handle when someone calls you up on your posts.

Go back to your private forum and point and laugh at me and others who feel strongly about respect given to those who deserve respect for what they have contributed. I'm not really bothered.


Respect given to those who deserve respect? Fine, if you think they do, also fine is some dont think they do. That is the crux of the matter is it not?


I think it goes beyond that though. Why ridicule those who think MJ deserve respect? Whatever you think about me or my posts, I have always TRIED (sometimes failed) to treat others with dignity and respect. There are numerous threads that I don't go into because I'm simply not interested. I don't go in to find the ONE post that tells me I MUST support so and so, or I MUST respect so and so.

The crux of the matter is, whether or not you like Michael Jackson or thought he was a total prat, there are many others who thought he was worthy of respect. Why belittle those people?


Still waiting for examples of the belittling, Suzi...


Your opening post, Trev. You took a comment that one poster made about how everyone should respect MJ and ran with it. I felt that you were belittling anyone who was sad at his demise.

"Get over it" were your words, not mine.


Get over the fact that I don't respect Micheal Jackson.

That didn't belittle anyone.

And it wasn't just ONE poster. It was all over the forum this morning and all day yesterday.

So what you 'felt' was wrong.


So, my feelings are wrong but yours are right? OK. I get it now.


No, what you 'felt' about the intentions of my post are wrong.


So, what were your intentions and how should I have felt about them?
FM
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..


Let me see how I can explain this to you better!
Hair is like dead flammable, when I was 6 my hair was set alight by me and some friends trying to light a bonfire.... I am very very white and redheaded.

I wasn't aware that black peoples hair was infinitely more flammable than my red hair.

You inferred I was a racist, even when you saw the news stories about the Pepsi ad's.

Bring it baby!
ED
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Originally posted by cinderella123:
Veggie Good to see you girl.

All is good, pop in once in a while, things just go so fast they usually lose me somewhere along the line.

However, I have lots of nice drinks around and am thinking of hanging around here for awhile. Just to comment on Sree as well.




*hands cinders a suit of armour*


Thank you but I hope I dont need it. Wink Unless evereyone else gets really drunken also and the whole place explodes.

I actually like it here, the mods are really nice and it seems people are nicer then before. I even have a little crush on Dave ga ga. I am hoping he is not really ugly and horrible.
C
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..


I didn't understand a word of that Confused


i am being polite - you sniped yesterday, i asked 'why' don't think you answered - maybe you did - just giving my take on it - never mind you are busy... goes off rubbing bruised ego! Razzer
bozzimacoo
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..


I didn't understand a word of that Confused


i am being polite - you sniped yesterday, i asked 'why' don't think you answered - maybe you did - just giving my take on it - never mind you are busy... goes off rubbing bruised ego! Razzer


Asked 'why' what? Confused
The Secretary
Ok peeps, shall we stop it??

On one hand we have people that really liked MJ and are sad at his passing. They are quite entitled to their grief.

On the ohter hand there are people that could not care less and that is up to them. ( Me being one of them)

Neither one can tell the other how to feel.

Can we agree to dissagree?

However, this was quite a good tread.

And get on to the far more important matter of BB and Freddie massaging Charlie?
C
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Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..


Let me see how I can explain this to you better!
Hair is like dead flammable, when I was 6 my hair was set alight by me and some friends trying to light a bonfire.... I am very very white and redheaded.

I wasn't aware that black peoples hair was infinitely more flammable than my red hair.

You inferred I was a racist, even when you saw the news stories about the Pepsi ad's.

Bring it baby!


you really are something, i am being polite - i was explaining to trev to her confused smiley and subsequent laugh. as i am a respectful person, might be an idea for you to make note of my explanation. you could try understanding your comment was provocative, having not remembered (or been researching mj) the 'pepsi' accident.
bozzimacoo
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:

So, what were your intentions and how should I have felt about them?


My intentions were to put a stop to the endless 'respect Michael Jackson' posts.

How you feel about that is entirely your affair.


From one FM? Who really cares what a handful of overzealous idiots post? Or even one nutter? Did you honestly think that by posting an entire thread you would change her mind about MJ, Jordan, or Peter Andre?

My point is that there are others on the forum who thought the man was worthy of a bit of tribute, more so IMO, than a reality programme contestant who contributed nothing in the world of art.

You don't like him, fair enough, but why disrespect those who do?
FM
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:
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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.


you are not missing anything, you are making your views very clear. other people, with opposite views to you are doing the same.
i am only responding to some comments you have made to my posts, in 'closed' tt thread.
'i might peel my face off/not a tribute' - refering to the fm who made the original statement, 'i'll even set my hair alight as a tribute' and my subsequent response "are you racist?" - was a direct question to this remark. reason being, i read it as mocking 'frizzy hair' i.e. black person afro! the fm found it hilarious that mj's hair caught alight... it says more about the poster than me.
i asked you 'why' about another comment - let's just say 'i gotcha'. i am a generous person, i allowed 'the win' - afterall i selected 'the example' out of all i could have chosen. i could have said so much more.. depending on 'which side it hangs' determines the response. my last 'insertion' was, and am guilty of not refering to the 'meanings' and rather start dialogue, i gave an account of a true story. it seemed apt a.p.t as lisa would say.
both topics are closed both seem to play out in some weird groundhog day.. sighs again..


Let me see how I can explain this to you better!
Hair is like dead flammable, when I was 6 my hair was set alight by me and some friends trying to light a bonfire.... I am very very white and redheaded.

I wasn't aware that black peoples hair was infinitely more flammable than my red hair.

You inferred I was a racist, even when you saw the news stories about the Pepsi ad's.

Bring it baby!


you really are something, i am being polite - i was explaining to trev to her confused smiley and subsequent laugh. as i am a respectful person, might be an idea for you to make note of my explanation. you could try understanding your comment was provocative, having not remembered (or been researching mj) the 'pepsi' accident.


Huh?
ED
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:

So, what were your intentions and how should I have felt about them?


My intentions were to put a stop to the endless 'respect Michael Jackson' posts.

How you feel about that is entirely your affair.


From one FM? Who really cares what a handful of overzealous idiots post? Or even one nutter? Did you honestly think that by posting an entire thread you would change her mind about MJ, Jordan, or Peter Andre?

My point is that there are others on the forum who thought the man was worthy of a bit of tribute, more so IMO, than a reality programme contestant who contributed nothing in the world of art.

You don't like him, fair enough, but why disrespect those who do?


Ok, last time.

It

wasn't

just

one

FM.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind either.
The Secretary
I cant believe that people are arguing over the merits of MJ. Everyone respect or don't respect, it is up to each individual person. May I point out that there is a FM on here who lost her mum today and I only hope that everyone of you have gone to her thread to give your condolances to her, now that would be a respectful thing to do.
Mentalist
quote:
Originally posted by Mentalist:
I cant believe that people are arguing over the merits of MJ. Everyone respect or don't respect, it is up to each individual person. May I point out that there is a FM on here who lost her mum today and I only hope that everyone of you have gone to her thread to give your condolances to her, now that would be a respectful thing to do.


Clapping
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Mentalist:
I cant believe that people are arguing over the merits of MJ. Everyone respect or don't respect, it is up to each individual person. May I point out that there is a FM on here who lost her mum today and I only hope that everyone of you have gone to her thread to give your condolances to her, now that would be a respectful thing to do.


I have posted in the thread about Jen's mother.

I will, however, continue to defend myself against people who can't read/pretend to know what my intentions are.
The Secretary
I just can't be bothered anymore. I happen to feel that the OP was disrespectful to those who have respect to Michael Jackson's contibution to music *shrugs* So, shoot me.

I have too many other things going on in my life to obsess with respect/disrespect on a BB forum. It's easy enough to ignore threads that you have no interest in. Frankly, I have lost interest in this one.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I just can't be bothered anymore. I happen to feel that the OP was disrespectful to those who have respect to Michael Jackson's contibution to music *shrugs* So, shoot me.

I have too many other things going on in my life to obsess with respect/disrespect on a BB forum. It's easy enough to ignore threads that you have no interest in. Frankly, I have lost interest in this one.


HURRAH!
The Secretary
quote:
Originally posted by The Secretary:
quote:
Originally posted by Mentalist:
I cant believe that people are arguing over the merits of MJ. Everyone respect or don't respect, it is up to each individual person. May I point out that there is a FM on here who lost her mum today and I only hope that everyone of you have gone to her thread to give your condolances to her, now that would be a respectful thing to do.


I have posted in the thread about Jen's mother.

I will, however, continue to defend myself against people who can't read/pretend to know what my intentions are.


I'm not saying you shouldn't defend yourself but to be honest sometimes you just have to say to hell with it and walk away. I have no feeling about MJ either way and I don't think you were trying to disrespect anyone, but what's the point of letting this carry on, I really don't think it will be resolved.
Mentalist
I was sad at MJ's passing because he was very much a part of my childhood with his songs and I used to adore him, but over the years I lost a lot of respect for him for various reasons, but I would not dream of coming on here and demanding others respect or dis-respect him just coz of my opinion.. There is a saying on the lines of: "you can command respect but you can not demand respect"
BQ
quote:
Originally posted by The Secretary:
quote:
Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I just can't be bothered anymore. I happen to feel that the OP was disrespectful to those who have respect to Michael Jackson's contibution to music *shrugs* So, shoot me.

I have too many other things going on in my life to obsess with respect/disrespect on a BB forum. It's easy enough to ignore threads that you have no interest in. Frankly, I have lost interest in this one.


HURRAH!


I don't think that "HURRAH" was necessary.
HH
quote:
Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
quote:
Originally posted by The Secretary:
quote:
Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I just can't be bothered anymore. I happen to feel that the OP was disrespectful to those who have respect to Michael Jackson's contibution to music *shrugs* So, shoot me.

I have too many other things going on in my life to obsess with respect/disrespect on a BB forum. It's easy enough to ignore threads that you have no interest in. Frankly, I have lost interest in this one.


HURRAH!


I don't think that "HURRAH" was necessary.


Gawd Skull

Personally, I don't think any of Suzi's posts were necessary. Had she actually read my post and taken it at face value rather than assuming I meant summat else, there would be no discussion.

Anyway, I have to go get ready to earn a crust now, so I'll leave you all to disapprove of me in peace Wave
The Secretary
quote:
Originally posted by Growlybear:
Suzi, I assumed that this thread had been started out of frustration at Choccy/Amy/CFL spamming the forum with 'You must respect Michael Jackson' posts. I don't think anyone is belittling people who are saddened by his death, but quite a few people are getting fairly fed up with Choccy forcing her opinions on everyone yet again. The only thing she hasn't said so far is LEAVE HIM ALONE!!!!!!


I have to agree with you Growlybear, when i came on line yesterday i counted 11 (ELEVEN) threads on the one page all about Michael Jackson. THREE were started by the same person! I wasn't a fan but i liked one or two of his song's..... YEARS AGO.
One of the post's actually demanded that we respect the man. Respect is earned, not demanded and i lost respect for him a long time ago. I am allowed my opinion of him, just as a fan is allowed their's. I just found it pathetic that so many threads were on the forum ... IN MY OPINION. Big Grin
Bethni
quote:
Originally posted by cinderella123:
Ah the lovely Filipino dancing prisinors have made a new dance video, almost made me cry for all those poor people stuck in that hell hole. The thriller dance they did make me laugh so much and now we have Ben, we are the world and something else. Sweet.

Now, if we can all find a way to get them some human rights, I would be so happy.



cinders!! Valentine yes I used to love Ben and Rockin Robin the best lol! I loved the Jackson 5 as a group
BQ
I've missed posts that apparently said "you must respect Michael Jackson" I've taken part in some MJ threads because for many years his music has been an enjoyable part of my life, and in those threads have been like minded people. I've not responded to those that feel differently.

As for some thinking there are too many MJ threads, I didn't know there has to be a limit on certain subjects, whatever the subject is. Not everyone is on the Forum at the same time. And this Forum is not just about BB
Yellow Rose
quote:
've missed posts that apparently said "you must respect Michael Jackson" I've taken part in some MJ threads because for many years his music has been an enjoyable part of my life, and in those threads have been like minded people. I've not responded to those that feel differently.

As for some thinking there are too many MJ threads, I didn't know there has to be a limit on certain subjects, whatever the subject is. Not everyone is on the Forum at the same time. And this Forum is not just about BB


Aww, Yellow, like I said before, I love your posts, you are always fair and sincere. Always makes me happy. So the aww is just for being happy to see you again.

I will admit that when the same person starts loads of threads it can become pretty boring. But, onwards and upwards, some liked MJ, some did not, that is the way it goes. This tread was started tho since a LOT of peeps demanded respect for the man and some did not feel like being told what to do and did not want to at all. Me included. I liked his old stuff but he has not done anything since 95 music wise.

But I think it is all settled now and people will go on, some are sorry for his passing, others not so much.
C
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Now they are calling him "The King of Pop!" I can handle that. It was when various FMs refered to him as a musical genius that I became annoyed.
Meanwhile his family struggle to keep his name in the press and are going down the CT route. It's never dignified when people are scarabbling to make money is it?


whats the CT route? sorry, my brain not awake yet! Red Face
BQ
quote:
Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Now they are calling him "The King of Pop!" I can handle that. It was when various FMs refered to him as a musical genius that I became annoyed.
Meanwhile his family struggle to keep his name in the press and are going down the CT route. It's never dignified when people are scarabbling to make money is it?


whats the CT route? sorry, my brain not awake yet! Red Face


Sorry Big Grin Conspiracy Theory, which may or may not include requests for further post mortems, accusations of wrong-doing, mystery, comedy, tradgedy etc.
Garage Joe
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Bagel Queen:
quote:
Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Now they are calling him "The King of Pop!" I can handle that. It was when various FMs refered to him as a musical genius that I became annoyed.
Meanwhile his family struggle to keep his name in the press and are going down the CT route. It's never dignified when people are scarabbling to make money is it?


whats the CT route? sorry, my brain not awake yet! Red Face


Sorry Big Grin Conspiracy Theory, which may or may not include requests for further post mortems, accusations of wrong-doing, mystery, comedy, tradgedy etc.


Ah yes Thumbs Up that old chestnut as I say...they started the CT's the same day, a bit too soon I think and did not give a decent waiting time, at least another day! Razzer
BQ
quote:
Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
I've missed posts that apparently said "you must respect Michael Jackson" I've taken part in some MJ threads because for many years his music has been an enjoyable part of my life, and in those threads have been like minded people. I've not responded to those that feel differently.

As for some thinking there are too many MJ threads, I didn't know there has to be a limit on certain subjects, whatever the subject is. Not everyone is on the Forum at the same time. And this Forum is not just about BB


Nod
Liverpoollass
I've had the jokes all weekend. People/family members texting me even though they know I was a HUGE fan. THAT is disrespectful. I don't find one of them funny. I'm not demanding anyone respects him themselves but I am demanding they respect my right to feel sad and not want to read crass jokes. The "get over it" "god he was only a singer" "it's not like you knew him" comments. AGAIN disrespectful to me and I feel it's the same on a forum. If someone is telling you how sad it makes them feel then nobody should go into a thread posting jokes and telling them to get over it etc. There is a time and a place.
Cagney
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?
I think she was paid off and handed the kids to Jackson after they were born. There were noises that she wanted custody now, but think she is being paid off again..

Are they even his kids, Sub? That's the thing... not one of them look like him..
sciencewasrobbed
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?


Debbie Rowe. She gave up parental rights but regained some a few years ago. Hopefully she'll get the kids back and raise them away from the media
Cagney
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I've had the jokes all weekend. People/family members texting me even though they know I was a HUGE fan. THAT is disrespectful. I don't find one of them funny. I'm not demanding anyone respects him themselves but I am demanding they respect my right to feel sad and not want to read crass jokes. The "get over it" "god he was only a singer" "it's not like you knew him" comments. AGAIN disrespectful to me and I feel it's the same on a forum. If someone is telling you how sad it makes them feel then nobody should go into a thread posting jokes and telling them to get over it etc. There is a time and a place.

Aw Cagney, family & friends can be funny like that, I've had it myself when I was sad about a death that they didn't find important. Frowner
mrsstipe
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?
I think she was paid off and handed the kids to Jackson after they were born. There were noises that she wanted custody now, but think she is being paid off again..

Are they even his kids, Sub? That's the thing... not one of them look like him..


I've only seen one pic of them without the veils. You do have a point. Who knows? (Well, he and Debbie do).
subatomic partygirl
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?
I think she was paid off and handed the kids to Jackson after they were born. There were noises that she wanted custody now, but think she is being paid off again..

Are they even his kids, Sub? That's the thing... not one of them look like him..


I've only seen one pic of them without the veils. You do have a point. Who knows? (Well, he and Debbie do).
Just incase you wanted to see sub,
sciencewasrobbed
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?
I think she was paid off and handed the kids to Jackson after they were born. There were noises that she wanted custody now, but think she is being paid off again..

Are they even his kids, Sub? That's the thing... not one of them look like him..


I've only seen one pic of them without the veils. You do have a point. Who knows? (Well, he and Debbie do).
Just incase you wanted to see sub,


Blimey, they really don't look like him, do they? They do have a look of each other though.

Thanks for that SWR. Thumbs Up
subatomic partygirl
quote:
Originally posted by mrsstipe:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I've had the jokes all weekend. People/family members texting me even though they know I was a HUGE fan. THAT is disrespectful. I don't find one of them funny. I'm not demanding anyone respects him themselves but I am demanding they respect my right to feel sad and not want to read crass jokes. The "get over it" "god he was only a singer" "it's not like you knew him" comments. AGAIN disrespectful to me and I feel it's the same on a forum. If someone is telling you how sad it makes them feel then nobody should go into a thread posting jokes and telling them to get over it etc. There is a time and a place.

Aw Cagney, family & friends can be funny like that, I've had it myself when I was sad about a death that they didn't find important. Frowner


I think I was vocal enough that they now know not to do it again Big Grin

I've felt a bit deflated since it happened. Not weeping and wailing...just deflated. Does that make sense? His music has so many memories attached to it for me. My friend is getting married soon and we were due to start learning the Thriller dance for her wedding reception Blush

I told my friends/family that if they want to slag him or make jokes find someone else to listen. Same on the forum IMO. Find a thread where there are likeminded people Thumbs Up
Cagney
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?
I think she was paid off and handed the kids to Jackson after they were born. There were noises that she wanted custody now, but think she is being paid off again..

Are they even his kids, Sub? That's the thing... not one of them look like him..


I've only seen one pic of them without the veils. You do have a point. Who knows? (Well, he and Debbie do).
Just incase you wanted to see sub,


Blimey, they really don't look like him, do they? They do have a look of each other though.

Thanks for that SWR. Thumbs Up
The older tow are siblings and look the spit of each other it seems.. the little lad has a diff mum.. nothing is known of her.
sciencewasrobbed
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by mrsstipe:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I've had the jokes all weekend. People/family members texting me even though they know I was a HUGE fan. THAT is disrespectful. I don't find one of them funny. I'm not demanding anyone respects him themselves but I am demanding they respect my right to feel sad and not want to read crass jokes. The "get over it" "god he was only a singer" "it's not like you knew him" comments. AGAIN disrespectful to me and I feel it's the same on a forum. If someone is telling you how sad it makes them feel then nobody should go into a thread posting jokes and telling them to get over it etc. There is a time and a place.

Aw Cagney, family & friends can be funny like that, I've had it myself when I was sad about a death that they didn't find important. Frowner


I think I was vocal enough that they now know not to do it again Big Grin

I've felt a bit deflated since it happened. Not weeping and wailing...just deflated. Does that make sense? His music has so many memories attached to it for me. My friend is getting married soon and we were due to start learning the Thriller dance for her wedding reception Blush

I told my friends/family that if they want to slag him or make jokes find someone else to listen. Same on the forum IMO. Find a thread where there are likeminded people Thumbs Up


Reckon you should still do the Thriller dance at the wedding Big Grin
mrsstipe
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
quote:
Originally posted by sciencewasrobbed:
The grandparents will in all likelihood bring up the kids now... Great Roll Eyes They did such a good job the first time...


Whatever happened to the mother? Debbie someone, wasn't it?
I think she was paid off and handed the kids to Jackson after they were born. There were noises that she wanted custody now, but think she is being paid off again..

Are they even his kids, Sub? That's the thing... not one of them look like him..


I've only seen one pic of them without the veils. You do have a point. Who knows? (Well, he and Debbie do).
Just incase you wanted to see sub,


Blimey, they really don't look like him, do they? They do have a look of each other though.

Thanks for that SWR. Thumbs Up


they're good looking kids, i would think they are his.

sorry for stretch Blush
bozzimacoo
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by mrsstipe:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
I've had the jokes all weekend. People/family members texting me even though they know I was a HUGE fan. THAT is disrespectful. I don't find one of them funny. I'm not demanding anyone respects him themselves but I am demanding they respect my right to feel sad and not want to read crass jokes. The "get over it" "god he was only a singer" "it's not like you knew him" comments. AGAIN disrespectful to me and I feel it's the same on a forum. If someone is telling you how sad it makes them feel then nobody should go into a thread posting jokes and telling them to get over it etc. There is a time and a place.

Aw Cagney, family & friends can be funny like that, I've had it myself when I was sad about a death that they didn't find important. Frowner


I think I was vocal enough that they now know not to do it again Big Grin

I've felt a bit deflated since it happened. Not weeping and wailing...just deflated. Does that make sense? His music has so many memories attached to it for me. My friend is getting married soon and we were due to start learning the Thriller dance for her wedding reception Blush

I told my friends/family that if they want to slag him or make jokes find someone else to listen. Same on the forum IMO. Find a thread where there are likeminded people Thumbs Up


I can totally empathise with you...I am feeling tearful watching his music..soooo many childhood memories. Thumbs Up It is a huge loss IMO. Frowner
slimfern
Sending you texts was a bit out of order in my opinion as that's a one-to-one thing. This is a public forum with a diverse audience. Not the same thing at all. Threads are public and open for comment. I choose whether I comment, other forum members don't do that for me, and I won't be censored by what they personally think is appropriate. That's the moderator's job. If it's not an abusive comment then it falls into the realms of forum over-sensitivity to me if people want to censor it.
FM
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
Ta, Cagney. Smiler Do you happen to know how old the kids are?


12, 11 and 7. All still very young Frowner


Frowner

To be left without a Dad so young is hard. To be left without a Dad but with a million diverse opinions and 'facts' on him...(almost legendary / mythical status), must be even harder. Hope they have as peaceful and happy a life as they can.
subatomic partygirl
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Sending you texts was a bit out of order in my opinion as that's a one-to-one thing. This is a public forum with a diverse audience. Not the same thing at all. Threads are public and open for comment. I choose whether I comment, other forum members don't do that for me, and I won't be censored by what they personally think is appropriate. That's the moderator's job. If it's not an abusive comment then it falls into the realms of forum over-sensitivity to me if people want to censor it.


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.
Cagney
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.


Nod
Liverpoollass
quote:
Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.


Nod


It's not rocket science eh? Big Grin

IMO it's antagonistic.
Cagney
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Sending you texts was a bit out of order in my opinion as that's a one-to-one thing. This is a public forum with a diverse audience. Not the same thing at all. Threads are public and open for comment. I choose whether I comment, other forum members don't do that for me, and I won't be censored by what they personally think is appropriate. That's the moderator's job. If it's not an abusive comment then it falls into the realms of forum over-sensitivity to me if people want to censor it.


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.


Clapping Very well said Cagney..my sentiments entirely.
Sky
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:
quote:
Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
quote:
Originally posted by Cagney:


But if you see a thread titled "for MJ fans" isn't it common decency to NOT go into that thread and make derogatory comments? If that's what some want to do then make a thread titled "for non MJ fans" and leave the comments there. No?

Grief should never be belittled whether it is a family member or a music idol. A death can bring about all kinds of bad memories for people. You don't necessarily need to respect the FM but surely to kick someone when they are feeling down is not on. Best to say nothing IMO.


Nod


It's not rocket science eh? Big Grin

IMO it's antagonistic.
I am sorry if my posts re the kids seemed offensive.... apologies.. Valentine
sciencewasrobbed

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