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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
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Originally posted by Mazzystar:

I get what you're saying..but I think the opposite can be true too.You can grieve for losing someone you admire and respect,but can still find humour in things.
I do admit my own humour is very dark and not to everyones taste tho.


I'm all for the humour part, as my chuckles in another thread proved last night Big Grin
Im all for humour but some of them have been sick and insensitive Disappointed..
prettycocoaeyes
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Well if that's really true we can all post what the hell we like regardless of how we might offend who reads our words. But we can't. I'm not saying every one has to keep schtum unless they've something mournful to say, but the reason for the example i used was to illustrate that usually there's a period of time that passes before 'some' things should be said. And if you spot something that you believe is crossing a line why not point it out?


Oh I'm censoring myself, trust me Wink


good for you Big Grin
T
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
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Originally posted by china:
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:
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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...


Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead? Confused
Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now Disappointed I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..


PCE
remember that website i went on yesterday and i said theres a video of MJ's last moments?
im on it again-to download an album and someone has put a recording of a KKK sermon from yesterday-and its all about MJ
theyve quoted just a few lines of the sermon, and i tell ya what, they are sick evil b@stards Mad
but we all know that anyway
Some people are that sick in the head ... Im trying to avoid such blogs, some threads in here and even the news(with their hypocrisy)...


all the tributes from famous folk are peeing me off...hypocritsShake Head
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by JacksonB:
my modem is knackered so culdn't be online for the last few hours, so i slouched on the couch and flicked around the tellybox, wimbledon or michael? now thank god he never played tennis..


Oi you, my IE still isn't working properly Mad


why not? mine's fine now? you have xp?
jacksonb
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by JacksonB:
my modem is knackered so culdn't be online for the last few hours, so i slouched on the couch and flicked around the tellybox, wimbledon or michael? now thank god he never played tennis..


Oi you, my IE still isn't working properly Mad


(^^^ said in a turtley respectful way, natch Ninja )
The Secretary
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Originally posted by JacksonB:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by JacksonB:
my modem is knackered so culdn't be online for the last few hours, so i slouched on the couch and flicked around the tellybox, wimbledon or michael? now thank god he never played tennis..


Oi you, my IE still isn't working properly Mad


why not? mine's fine now? you have xp?


Vista Confused
The Secretary
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
Well if that's really true we can all post what the hell we like regardless of how we might offend who reads our words. But we can't. I'm not saying every one has to keep schtum unless they've something mournful to say, but the reason for the example i used was to illustrate that usually there's a period of time that passes before 'some' things should be said. And if you spot something that you believe is crossing a line why not point it out?

That's probably where I go wrong then as I don't usually care if someone is offended by my views on a whole range of subjects. Ninja It's their offence, not my actions, if you see what I mean. I rarely abuse people as individuals here though with ad hominem attacks, as that's offence I own myself and I'm responsible for it.


attack the post not the poster will be forum law one day Big Grin
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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
As for the funeral i had no choice but to go

Most of my family are dead and I've never been to a funeral in my life. Mind you, the reactions to that have been quite extreme. I've broken significant taboos, apparently, and upset people because of it by not meeting their expectations. I maintain that funerals are for the living and grief is personal if one wishes it to be.
FM
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by JacksonB:
my modem is knackered so culdn't be online for the last few hours, so i slouched on the couch and flicked around the tellybox, wimbledon or michael? now thank god he never played tennis..


Oi you, my IE still isn't working properly Mad


why not? mine's fine now? you have xp?


Vista Confused

i'll get you the microsoft web page that tells you how to fix it. hold on.
jacksonb
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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
As for the funeral i had no choice but to go

Most of my family are dead and I've never been to a funeral in my life. Mind you, the reactions to that have been quite extreme. I've broken significant taboos, apparently, and upset people because of it by not meeting their expectations. I maintain that funerals are for the living and grief is personal if one wishes it to be.


I couldn't not go...too many questions afterwards and that...but yes funerals are for the living...you'd be pretty lucky to benefit from it if you were the one in the coffin Big Grin
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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:


Of course they are, but that should work both ways. If a relative of mine had died that I didn't like, I certainly wouldn't want to upset anyone who didn't feel the same way, so I would show my respect for THEM by just not going to the funeral. That way I wouldn't feel as though I was being expected to compromise my feelings, or theirs, by showing or hiding my true feelings. You're clearly a more magnanimous person than me. I don't really have feelings about MJ's death one way or another tbh. I think if he'd died 20 years ago I would have felt much sadder about it than I do today though. I certainly wouldn't deliberately try to upset anyone who felt they were affected by his death, but at the same time I think it's unfair to demand that we should all now show respect for someone just because others do. I agree that using Myrah and Adolf as examples was extreme but it was a reaction to PCE's statement that she was taught "to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean... " Which in my (highly irreligious) opinion is wrong. PCE clearly has a religious view on death and judgement, my view (shared I think by a few other FM's) is more humanist. As well as his deservedly fantastic musical reputation, MJ had a dubious, albeit unproven, reputation as far as children goes. For some the music will dominate their memory but for others it will be his sad and strange later personal life. For me it will be a combination of the two. MJ and his life is much too complicated a subject to be portrayed and judged in black and white terms (no pun intended, honestly!).

as for the funeral i had no choice but to go

Of course there are those who see him in a different light, that's always going to happen. The way I see it we're all members here who post our opinions and whilst not everyone will agree with the MJ grieving, likewise not everyone will like some of the other comments made and they are perfectly within their rights to say it.



I said in yesterday that it would be better if people would make the intention of the threads more clear. If someone called a thread 'the MJ tribute thread' or 'the MJ jokes' thread then I think by and large people would have respected the gist of the content. Anyone who didn't should then have been reported.

As for the funeral...Hug I suppose sometimes we all just have to do what is felt to be necessary hun. Hug I didn't really want to go to my Father In Law's funeral because I don't get on with his family but I went because I knew hubby needed me and that had to take precedence over my feelings. My OH always goes to family things whether he wants to or not because he feels he has no choice. Whereas my lot know that I'm very headstrong and I won't do anything I don't want to do. There's an understanding now that I don't 'do' do's. I admit that my attitude has upset people in the past though, which was not my intetntion but I personally felt it was unavoidable.
Queen of the High Teas
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
I'm still mourning the death of Bill Hicks Frowner

He'd have a field day with all this Ninja


My boss used to be called Bill Hicks, wonder if its the same guy?


Could be!

Did your boss chain smoke and drop acid?


Weell he did chain smoke but the only thing I noticed him dropping was his fag end in the wastebin which then caught light and he got his foot jammed trying to stamp it out Big Grin
squiggle
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Originally posted by JacksonB:
if you have service pack 3 loaded then it's that , that cuases the prblem, i couldn't find it onthe add/remove list, but it is loaded onto mine, thats why i couldn't fix it.. Mad


This laptop is fresh outta the box and to the best of my knowledge it doesn't have any add ons - it did it on my old one too Frowner
The Secretary
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
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Originally posted by squiggle:
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Originally posted by The Secretary:
I'm still mourning the death of Bill Hicks Frowner

He'd have a field day with all this Ninja


My boss used to be called Bill Hicks, wonder if its the same guy?


Could be!

Did your boss chain smoke and drop acid?


Weell he did chain smoke but the only thing I noticed him dropping was his fag end in the wastebin which then caught light and he got his foot jammed trying to stamp it out Big Grin


Slapstick boss! Excellent! Big Grin
The Secretary
I got sick of being told last night to "respect" Michael Jackson. And it usually came from someone who then posted allegations about the cause of death without any evidence. Shouldn't they have some respect for the Doctor rather than posting unfounded allegations before it has been properly investigated.

Reminded me very much of some completely nutty poster on DS who insisted the child spotted in Morocco was in FACT Maddie McCann even after the childs parents confirmed it was not her this poster on DS insisted the parents were wrong.
HH
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Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
I got sick of being told last night to "respect" Michael Jackson. And it usually came from someone who then posted allegations about the cause of death without any evidence. Shouldn't they have some respect for the Doctor rather than posting unfounded allegations before it has been properly investigated.

Reminded me very much of some completely nutty poster on DS who insisted the child spotted in Morocco was in FACT Maddie McCann even after the childs parents confirmed it was not her this poster on DS insisted the parents were wrong.


I think i know who your talking about Nod Roll Eyes
MrMincePie
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Originally posted by MrMeatAndPotatoPie:
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Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
I got sick of being told last night to "respect" Michael Jackson. And it usually came from someone who then posted allegations about the cause of death without any evidence. Shouldn't they have some respect for the Doctor rather than posting unfounded allegations before it has been properly investigated.

Reminded me very much of some completely nutty poster on DS who insisted the child spotted in Morocco was in FACT Maddie McCann even after the childs parents confirmed it was not her this poster on DS insisted the parents were wrong.


I think i know who your talking about Nod Roll Eyes


I was sick of all the MJ threads to be honest.
HH
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Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
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Reminded me very much of some completely nutty poster on DS who insisted the child spotted in Morocco was in FACT Maddie McCann even after the childs parents confirmed it was not her this poster on DS insisted the parents were wrong.


I shouldn't laugh really but honestly *shakes head while laughing*

How can you argue with someone who is that mental? Big Grin
FM
How many years have threads been posted on forums about death,abduction,breast feeding even Nod ,and they turn into the most appalling bun fights,full of hand wringers and Im more upset than you therefore Im the better person rants.
It always happens,I just stay away from them if they are no interest,Im not an MJ fan,and have no desire to validate myself on a screen about how upset I am ,simples.
Other people feel the need to express themselves differently,thats life Jim.
demonickitten
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Originally posted by Veggieburger:
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Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
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Reminded me very much of some completely nutty poster on DS who insisted the child spotted in Morocco was in FACT Maddie McCann even after the childs parents confirmed it was not her this poster on DS insisted the parents were wrong.


I shouldn't laugh really but honestly *shakes head while laughing*

How can you argue with someone who is that mental? Big Grin


You cannot really. I just sat there wanting a banging head against the wall smiley.
HH
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Originally posted by demonickitten:
How many years have threads been posted on forums about death,abduction,breast feeding even Nod ,and they turn into the most appalling bun fights,full of hand wringers and Im more upset than you therefore Im the better person rants.
It always happens,I just stay away from them if they are no interest,Im not an MJ fan,and have no desire to validate myself on a screen about how upset I am ,simples.
Other people feel the need to express themselves differently,thats life Jim.


un less it's vanessas feltz's demise of course, then absolutely no hand wringing is allowed..
jacksonb

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