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Originally posted by TiGi:
It's disrespectful to peoples feeling Mazz, I'd rather not have to read jokes about child abuse, thats the point I was trying to make.
I've not seem anyone comment ALL the jokes are disrespectful but some definately have.

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Originally posted by Mazzystar:

But I can't see how making jokes is,in itself disrespectful.A fair number of the texts have been very amusing and not personal attacks on the man.The personal attacks are disrespectful,but not all the jokes are

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Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:


But jokes being sent, not 24 hours after his death, is bit heartless - whether they are funny or not.

Not everyone liked the guy, and I can accept that, but I feel its only right to respect his death and his family and children (who are now fatherless) feelings. They aren't ignorant they will know of the jokes and won't find them funny at all.

Just saying is all

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Originally posted by Roxi:
Michael Jackson is a legend. He was talented and was so big in the music industry. He should be respected

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Originally posted by Mazzystar:

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Originally posted by TiGi:
It's disrespectful to peoples feeling Mazz, I'd rather not have to read jokes about child abuse, thats the point I was trying to make.
I've not seem anyone comment ALL the jokes are disrespectful but some definately have.

Not all the jokes have been about child abuse though....and I have to say I've not seen any of them on this forum(they would probably be pulled pretty quickly due to libel laws anyhow),but I dont see how some people feel they can dictate what others can and cant laugh at just because somebody has died(thats not directed at you btw..its a general comment about forums in general)

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Originally posted by Karma_:

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Originally posted by Roxi:
Michael Jackson is a legend. He was talented and was so big in the music industry. He should be respected

Should be in your opinion. Not in mine. I think he was hugely over rated in his later years. And I also think he wasn't the poor victim of the media that everyone seems to think he was. He certainly knew how to use it when it suited him.

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Karma_:

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Originally posted by Roxi:
Michael Jackson is a legend. He was talented and was so big in the music industry. He should be respected

Should be in your opinion. Not in mine. I think he was hugely over rated in his later years. And I also think he wasn't the poor victim of the media that everyone seems to think he was. He certainly knew how to use it when it suited him.

OMG, Karma!

I've been told you're coming to hit me where it hurts

Is it time?

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Originally posted by Karma_:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Karma_:

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Originally posted by Roxi:
Michael Jackson is a legend. He was talented and was so big in the music industry. He should be respected

Should be in your opinion. Not in mine. I think he was hugely over rated in his later years. And I also think he wasn't the poor victim of the media that everyone seems to think he was. He certainly knew how to use it when it suited him.

OMG, Karma!

I've been told you're coming to hit me where it hurts

Is it time?

Eh?

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Karma_:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:

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Originally posted by Karma_:

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Originally posted by Roxi:
Michael Jackson is a legend. He was talented and was so big in the music industry. He should be respected

Should be in your opinion. Not in mine. I think he was hugely over rated in his later years. And I also think he wasn't the poor victim of the media that everyone seems to think he was. He certainly knew how to use it when it suited him.

OMG, Karma!

I've been told you're coming to hit me where it hurts

Is it time?

Eh?

http://gagajoyjoy.com/eve/foru...=194109411#194109411

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Originally posted by WILDER X:
I think...

If you want to respect him and mourn him, thats fine, people should be able to do that without being ridiculed. It's not hard to show some restraint and not go into "tribute" threads posting jokes. If you want to do that why not make a thread to do that in , clearly titled so those who don't wish to see the jokes don't have to enter the thread.

I think it all boils down to respect. Personally I was brought up to respect the dead, and as kids Mum would make us stop in the street if a hearse went by, I still do that now. I've heard the argument that you can't mourn for someone you don't know but I don't think it's a case of mourning them, it's respecting the dead and those who they leave behind.
I also understand a lot of people lost respect for him a while ago, thats fine too and we should all learn to respect each others opinions and feelings. It's not diffuclt really but some seem to go out of their way to offend. That's my take on it anyway.


Well Said.

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Originally posted by queenshaks:
Karma is well 'ard!!


Fms speak of her threats without her....that's 'ard.

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Originally posted by The Secretary:


I'm brickin' it

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Originally posted by queenshaks:

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Originally posted by The Secretary:


I'm brickin' it

What like so--------->

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Originally posted by The Secretary:
Am I missing sumat?

Sorry to start another MJ thread, but if I see 'have some respect' one more time, I might have to peel my face off (not as a tribute).

Some people didn't like him. A fact not changed by him snuffing it. Get over it.

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

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Originally posted by captain marbles:
While we're at it I'm not that keen on Abba either. Unless one of them pegs it.

i'm working on that one while he's alive

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

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Originally posted by *Yogi Bear*:
i wouldn't start a thread demanding everyone feels the same way as i do about him _{i'm working on that one while he's alive}

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..

Forgetting MJ for a minute, would you really not speak ill of people like Hitler? I'm trying hard to understand this respect for the dead thing

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Mentalist:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..

Forgetting MJ for a minute, would you really not speak ill of people like Hitler? I'm trying hard to understand this respect for the dead thing

Yes

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Originally posted by WILDER X:
I think...

If you want to respect him and mourn him, thats fine, people should be able to do that without being ridiculed. It's not hard to show some restraint and not go into "tribute" threads posting jokes. If you want to do that why not make a thread to do that in , clearly titled so those who don't wish to see the jokes don't have to enter the thread.

I think it all boils down to respect. Personally I was brought up to respect the dead, and as kids Mum would make us stop in the street if a hearse went by, I still do that now. I've heard the argument that you can't mourn for someone you don't know but I don't think it's a case of mourning them, it's respecting the dead and those who they leave behind.
I also understand a lot of people lost respect for him a while ago, thats fine too and we should all learn to respect each others opinions and feelings. It's not diffuclt really but some seem to go out of their way to offend. That's my take on it anyway.


Well Said.

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Originally posted by china:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..

PCE
remember that website i went on yesterday and i said theres a video of MJ's last moments?
im on it again-to download an album and someone has put a recording of a KKK sermon from yesterday-and its all about MJ
theyve quoted just a few lines of the sermon, and i tell ya what, they are sick evil b@stards
but we all know that anyway

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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
a relative of mine died, I hated his guts, but I didn't parade that round at his funeral, I sat there all quiet and respected the rights of those around me who didn't know him like I did to mourn his death.

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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

a relative of mine died, I hated his guts, but I didn't parade that round at his funeral, I sat there all quiet and respected the rights of those around me who didn't know him like I did to mourn his death. I think the use of Myra Hindley and Hitler are a bit extreme, given what they did, but I'm just pointing out, sometimes people die that you don't like and whilst no one expects you to be bold over with fake grief, if there's something that some one posts that you find out of line, surely you're entitled to say it?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
a relative of mine died, I hated his guts, but I didn't parade that round at his funeral, I sat there all quiet and respected the rights of those around me who didn't know him like I did to mourn his death.

Thing is, we're not at a funeral and I doubt anyone here actually knew him as a person or knows people who knew him as a person. This is a forum where people talk/type about stuff and then go away from their computers and live their real lives. There's no death ritual going on here that translates to how we formally ritualise death for people we know in the real world. It's celebrity news and current affairs. We're not trashing a funeral or shouting insults in the faces of his family and friends.

It's like Big Brother. Most people wouldn't go up to the people in the house (or past houses), or their families and friends, and say the sort of hideous stuff that gets said on here all the time. They're real people too, albeit not dead yet, and they can actually read what we wrote too if they have a mind to. If we ought to respect the deaths of remote celebrities here because of custom then we probably ought to start by respecting the feelings of the ordinary people in the house and their family and friends first. Afterall, that's a custom too in real life.

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Originally posted by Mazzystar:

I get what you're saying..but I think the opposite can be true too.You can grieve for losing someone you admire and respect,but can still find humour in things.
I do admit my own humour is very dark and not to everyones taste tho.

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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

a relative of mine died, I hated his guts, but I didn't parade that round at his funeral, I sat there all quiet and respected the rights of those around me who didn't know him like I did to mourn his death. I think the use of Myra Hindley and Hitler are a bit extreme, given what they did, but I'm just pointing out, sometimes people die that you don't like and whilst no one expects you to be bold over with fake grief, if there's something that some one posts that you find out of line, surely you're entitled to say it?

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Well if that's really true we can all post what the hell we like regardless of how we might offend who reads our words. But we can't. I'm not saying every one has to keep schtum unless they've something mournful to say, but the reason for the example i used was to illustrate that usually there's a period of time that passes before 'some' things should be said. And if you spot something that you believe is crossing a line why not point it out?

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Originally posted by china:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:

I was thought to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean...

People should put themselves in other peoples shoes for a change maybe then can we progress together in this wicked world that we live in...

Not meaning to be provocative, and I am in no way suggesting that MJ should be categorised in this way, but by that reasoning wouldn't it also that mean that we should all respect the likes of Myrah Hindley and Adolf Hitler because they're dead?

Goodness me MJ and Hitler? come on now I think we should not speak ill of the dead and as a Christian,I do believe each individual will be judged after death on their activities on earth..

PCE
remember that website i went on yesterday and i said theres a video of MJ's last moments?
im on it again-to download an album and someone has put a recording of a KKK sermon from yesterday-and its all about MJ
theyve quoted just a few lines of the sermon, and i tell ya what, they are sick evil b@stards
but we all know that anyway

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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
Well if that's really true we can all post what the hell we like regardless of how we might offend who reads our words. But we can't. I'm not saying every one has to keep schtum unless they've something mournful to say, but the reason for the example i used was to illustrate that usually there's a period of time that passes before 'some' things should be said. And if you spot something that you believe is crossing a line why not point it out?

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Originally posted by Queen of the High Teas:


Of course they are, but that should work both ways. If a relative of mine had died that I didn't like, I certainly wouldn't want to upset anyone who didn't feel the same way, so I would show my respect for THEM by just not going to the funeral. That way I wouldn't feel as though I was being expected to compromise my feelings, or theirs, by showing or hiding my true feelings. You're clearly a more magnanimous person than me. I don't really have feelings about MJ's death one way or another tbh. I think if he'd died 20 years ago I would have felt much sadder about it than I do today though. I certainly wouldn't deliberately try to upset anyone who felt they were affected by his death, but at the same time I think it's unfair to demand that we should all now show respect for someone just because others do. I agree that using Myrah and Adolf as examples was extreme but it was a reaction to PCE's statement that she was taught "to never speak ill of the dead no matter what because the wages of sin is death and after that their slate is wiped clean... " Which in my (highly irreligious) opinion is wrong. PCE clearly has a religious view on death and judgement, my view (shared I think by a few other FM's) is more humanist. As well as his deservedly fantastic musical reputation, MJ had a dubious, albeit unproven, reputation as far as children goes. For some the music will dominate their memory but for others it will be his sad and strange later personal life. For me it will be a combination of the two. MJ and his life is much too complicated a subject to be portrayed and judged in black and white terms (no pun intended, honestly!).