https://www.theguardian.com/co...chair-pram-bus-space

It's a difficult one Renton ....but on balance I suppose wheelchairs should have precedence ..

Like Baz says...it's difficult, but it is possible for the parent to carry the child and fold the buggy up.  This isn't possible for someone in a wheelchair 

Sprout it seems buses are not duty bound to provide secure storage of either prams or wheelchairs.

It also appears the bus companies are not duty bound to provide spaces for prams.

If the bus was full with standing room only then it seems people would be expected to get off the bus to let the wheelchair user on.

I believe space should  be made available but should be available to all as we are either equal or we are not.

Prioritising one need over another is divisive.

Wheelchair

Why do you think that EC?

Saint posted:

Why do you think that EC?

Give me some time to formulate a cohesive and factually accurate response. My grey matter is currently thinking up stuff to keep Pirate1111 on the threadium. 

Understood

Possession being 9/10th of the law (apparently) it should be a first come first served.

So what happens if the next bus is full and so on and so on? 

They review the need for spaces and the timetable

Saint posted:

They review the need for spaces and the timetable

That doesn't help the here and now 

velvet donkey posted:

Should parents with children and prams be legally bound to vacate the space given to wheelchair users on a bus?

 

Yes!

 

And they shouldn't park in disabled bays either.

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

They review the need for spaces and the timetable

That doesn't help the here and now 

Sadly life can be like that

Things can take time to sort out

The issue here is that space should be given over equally to those in need. And need should not be judged or else we begin to judge individual worthiness.

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

They review the need for spaces and the timetable

That doesn't help the here and now 

Sadly life can be like that

Things can take time to sort out

 

The issue here is that space should be given over equally to those in need. And need should not be judged or else we begin to judge individual worthiness.

 

What I'm saying is...a parent can move about (at a push)   a wheelchair user hasn't got that amount of mobility 

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

They review the need for spaces and the timetable

That doesn't help the here and now 

Sadly life can be like that

Things can take time to sort out

 

The issue here is that space should be given over equally to those in need. And need should not be judged or else we begin to judge individual worthiness.

 

What I'm saying is...a parent can move about (at a push)   a wheelchair user hasn't got that amount of mobility 

A young man in a wheelchair vs a single mum, crying child, bag of shopping and a pram

Hmmmm

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

What I'm saying is...a parent can move about (at a push)   a wheelchair user hasn't got that amount of mobility 

A young man in a wheelchair vs a single mum, crying child, bag of shopping and a pram

Hmmmm

That parent (with help) can still move to another spot on the bus. A wheelchair user can't. The aisles aren't wide enough  

velvet donkey posted:

So you think a wheelchair user and a (young) mum/dad are equal?

 

I don't get it.

me either - and don't start me on parent and kid parking spaces at the front door of a shop.    They can walk.

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

Saint posted:

They review the need for spaces and the timetable

That doesn't help the here and now 

Sadly life can be like that

Things can take time to sort out

 

The issue here is that space should be given over equally to those in need. And need should not be judged or else we begin to judge individual worthiness.

 

What I'm saying is...a parent can move about (at a push)   a wheelchair user hasn't got that amount of mobility 

A young man in a wheelchair vs a single mum, crying child, bag of shopping and a pram

Hmmmm

parents are spoiled.

I'm youngest of five.. my mum had a pram and her feet.

Kaffs posted

parents are spoiled.

I'm youngest of five.. my mum had a pram and her feet.

Yeah, what happened to that. I can remember walking all over the place with my cousin in the pram in the summer holidays with my auntie who looked after me while my mam went to work 

Kaffs posted:

velvet donkey posted:

So you think a wheelchair user and a (young) mum/dad are equal?

 

I don't get it.

me either - and don't start me on parent and kid parking spaces at the front door of a shop.    They can walk.

I read somewhere that if parents were fit enough to have kids they were fit enough to walk across the car park with them, lol

However I just don't think its fair to expect a mum with child to get off a bus to allow a wheelchair on.

Why should someone in a wheelchair be given priority?

Don't get me wrong, I've sat in the front seat of a bus and moved when a parent has got on 

Saint posted:

Kaffs posted:

velvet donkey posted:

So you think a wheelchair user and a (young) mum/dad are equal?

 

I don't get it.

me either - and don't start me on parent and kid parking spaces at the front door of a shop.    They can walk.

I read somewhere that if parents were fit enough to have kids they were fit enough to walk across the car park with them, lol

 

However I just don't think its fair to expect a mum with child to get off a bus to allow a wheelchair on.

Why should someone in a wheelchair be given priority?

She doesn't have to get off - just out of the wheelchair space.

Like before there WERE wheelchair spaces.    Think logically - on your average bus journey how many wheelchair users are there likely to be versus pushchair pushers.   Just put on a mummy bus why don't you?     Young parents have far too big a sense of entitlement.

Saint posted:

Kaffs posted:

velvet donkey posted:

So you think a wheelchair user and a (young) mum/dad are equal?

 

I don't get it.

me either - and don't start me on parent and kid parking spaces at the front door of a shop.    They can walk.

I read somewhere that if parents were fit enough to have kids they were fit enough to walk across the car park with them, lol

 

However I just don't think its fair to expect a mum with child to get off a bus to allow a wheelchair on.

Why should someone in a wheelchair be given priority?

They don't have to get off.  Just move to another spot on the bus 

Please read the opening gambit

This is about priority and a guy suing a bus company because a Mum and pram refused to get off for the disabled guy

So the disabled guy has right of way? no? 

Saint posted:

Please read the opening gambit

This is about priority and a guy suing a bus company because a Mum and pram refused to get off for the disabled guy

yes.. and?   I think it's fairly obvious what's priority imo .

I tend not to use public transport

As of 2014 there was an on-going debate explained in my opening statement as to whether wheelchair users should have priority or not.

As of 2014 the space was for wheelchair users - not sure what the law requires now.

However I was wondering what people thought about it - as not all prams n Mams can move due to storage facilities for prams not being a legal requirement on buses.

So, you don't use public transport (you're priviledged (sp) enough to be able to drive )

I do use public transport (Metro and buses) I'm coming at this with maybe a different angle to you? 

Sprout posted:

So, you don't use public transport (you're priviledged (sp) enough to be able to drive )

 

I do use public transport (Metro and buses) I'm coming at this with maybe a different angle to you? 

Perhaps as I sometimes used buses when I was pushing a wheelchair at work

Saint posted:

Sprout posted:

So, you don't use public transport (you're priviledged (sp) enough to be able to drive )

 

I do use public transport (Metro and buses) I'm coming at this with maybe a different angle to you? 

Perhaps as I sometimes used buses when I was pushing a wheelchair at work

So then you'd know the problems that wheelchair users face? 

Yes I know only too well of wheelchair and mobility issues but would never think it right that we should expect people to get off a bus for us.

Saint posted:

Yes I know only too well of wheelchair and mobility issues but would never think it right that we should expect people to get off a bus for us.

We shouldn't expect it but it would be nice if peeps saw the 'other side' for once 

Lol you mean me?

I just think saying one person (in this case) is more worthy is wrong.

Saint posted:

Lol you mean me?

I just think saying one person (in this case) is more worthy is wrong.

 

No, I don't mean you specifically, I mean everyone in general.   It might be a nicer world then 

But yes, in this case, I do think one person (in this case) is more worthy 

What's that for?   that's the way I happen to feel (in this case) 

Honestly would love to know why