I have given up on the mentality of the crowd - there is no rhyme nor reason to the moronic chantings.,.

I've been arguing with Dave fans on f/b.  Some of them are coming across to me as totally heartless.

Shows the show's over.

It shows that BB is a game show .............it's not a matter of life or death who goes. If the majority of people vote Rachel out it's because she's the least entertaining.

Why judge the British public or FM's on here because of who they choose to support?

It's a bloody game FGS!

because it says a lot about what people' s values and morals are.
They vote for a girl who is basically good hearted if a little loud.
They laud the behaviour of a nasty immature twat and a fake christian.

So sorry and all that.. but it does reflect society.

Are you saying no opinion should be open to judgement? Are you saying supporting HM's who are very clearly morally bankrupt should not be challenged? Everyone is judged on what they say and believe in, that's life, that's how the world goes around. If you don't want people to agree or disagree with your opinions, don't have any.

Got it now?

Lecs what's the FB link pls chook? x

Apparently argumentative tw@ts  are the vogue and are massively entertaining , scowling, being miserable, causing rows and hating everyone in sight, overcomes those wanting to enjoy the experience.

*Waits for link with Karma*

http://www.facebook.com/officialbigbrother?v=wall&story_fbid=140804669287515&ref=notif&notif_t=like

Its the official BB thing...that was a status about Dave, there are others fro JJ and Rach.

TBH that's a bit rich coming from you. If BB (and this forum) represents society's morals I'm honestly shocked at the level of support for Sam. I fully understand that people like the fact that he's stirring it up {not me incidentally) but I don't assume that they admire who he is and what he stands for.

It is an entertainment show after all.

So you call me a hypocrite citing the fact I like Sam while you personally have supported JJ, a woman-hating bully who preys on weak individuals. Yeah righto then. The difference between you and I is I don't tell other people they can't comment on my opinion.

It's a forum. People can and will comment on your views and everyone elses. If you don't like it, don't come to forums.

I really don't think it does. I USED to think like that, I couldn't bear any bad behaviour being rewarded.....and voted accordingly, but as the series have gone on I've started to take the whole thing much less seriously. (probably at about the same rate that the BB producers themselves did )

I actually think my attitude to it now is much more healthy.  No longer do the HM's have to match up to an impossible moralistic ideal........ they can have faults and I can still like them, because that's all it boils down to really......... normal, everyday common or garden faults that we are ALL guilty of. Very rarely is a HM truly nasty.

I've personally very relieved that I finally realised it IS only a gameshow.

Ducky - I could follow this if there were not such big financial rewards for being and acting like a twat.

I have never said that - on the contrary if anything.

I have watched every single series of BB - it really isn't life or death - the winners soon sink into oblivion anyway. I can take it with a pinch of salt unlike some who take it faaaaaaaaaaaaaar too seriously IMO. It's an entertainment/game show.

"Dave is lovely, quite sexy, & would like 2 c him win x"   FB.

Wow that's a proper long far

^^^^^^ I so agree with this, it really does beggar belief that kids look up to people like these, and I do think it reflects on society of today.

There's always the danger of them being given big financial rewards for acting like a twat, even if they DON'T win. (Dare I mention Jade? )

But you're right.....I wouldn't vote for someone I truly believed was a twat either, it's just I'm much more relaxed about the twatishness these days, cos we're all a bit of twat in our own way.

This year's eviction results have been the most dissapointing in all the series so far..

But Soozy you were the one who started a thread the other week which was way over the top. You were obviously very involved, so is it only 'real' when you have strong emotions about it?

Exactly Soozy we should not be judged as people because we like a housemate for whatever reason it is a gameshow not real life

Sooz you made a thread calling a HM an ef**n wan**r,imo that's not taking things with a pinch of salt.

"Why judge the British public or FM's on here because of who they choose to support?".

That right there tells me I have no right to have an opinion on people's views. If people choose to applaud disgraceful behaviour and target a girl who has done nothing wrong on the show apart from talk to loud I will absolutely make my feelings known on the matter. I'm not breaking any forum rules in doing so as long as I don't attack anyone personally.

Excusing anything and everything on the basis 'it's a gameshow' is far too convenient an excuse for despicable behaviour.

People will always have opinions of opinions of opinions. That's just life. All an opinion is in the end is an interpretation of a person, of a thing, or of an event. It doesn't make anybody wrong or right. One person's banana is another person's pear.

I like Dave as a housemate, and if people want to base their opinion of me for that fact, so be it. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, because I know that fundamentally I'm a good person who does a lot of charitable good. Tar me with a brush and I'll wash it off.

I love a good banter, and I enjoy the light hearted banter when it comes to poking fun at fanbases. 'Bopper' is one of my new favourite words. There is a line that I think shouldn't be crossed though, but I'm not going to try and persuade people not to cross it. It's their choice. Free speech and all that.

I'm not gonna go round in circles with you but ..............when I came into a thread of yours the other night with a differing opinion you told me 'if someone said the world was round you'd say it was square'...........................that to me suggests that you really have no acceptance of other peoples views. Just because I had a different take on things doesn't make me wrong and you right IMO.

I have an issue with that though. Not personal to you Prom , but sometimes people use the generalisation of fanbases as a way of attacking others with no comeback. In other words, they take the cowards way out. The general comments can be hard to defend yourself against because the poster will always claim they aren't directed at anyone in particular. Sometimes I'd bet my last pound they bloody well are though!

There's no way solution to it though, people on forums are just like people in the house I suppose, some are nice, some..... not so much..

Snap.

I told you that because in all my time on this forum I have never once seen you come on to a thread without arguing the toss about whatever the OP has said. That, I would say, is 'having no acceptance of other people's views' or worse... arguing for the sake of it.

I've never said that to anyone else because nobody else goes on to threads with the sole purpose of disagreeing with everything that's being said.  And before you claim again that I am 'challenging' you, I am not. I am simply stating my observations on your posting behaviour.

I've surprised myself at how much I've hated/still am hating Dave.

I've not been able to understand the emotion JJ and Josie inspire...or the OTT fawning over Ben which bordered on scary at times.

I'm very much a "it's only a gameshow" type...But I KNOW that if Dave was racist or and out and out homophobe the public would hate him, as he's just disabilist it's ok though...

I've never hated a HM as much as him and I never will, despite some ex HMs being absolute shits BB never chooses bigots. Well they did this time...but that's ok coz it's only disablity that he hates, not a trendy enough cause for £nd$mol.  Rant over

None of that was aimed at you Maths, I know you're a good un

I don't think it's a cowards way out Ducky. I think people are just worried about getting banned if they target someone personally and I can understand that, particularly on here where some people will report you at the drop of a hat if you disagree with what they're saying. Childish I know, but it happens (it happened to me).

I took it to mean that prom thinks you quite enjoy getting yer teeth into a barney.  As a lot of us do

Of all the HM's this year Dave is probably the only one who deserves (some of) the vitriol, and I can understand why he inspires the strong feelings in you Leccy, at least you have something solid to base your feelings on.

Holy F8ck!  He's the creepiest guy I've had the misfortune  to see on the telly in a good long while. Vomits..

I understand it too Prom, I just wish they wouldn't bother at all, rather than hide behind thinly veiled insults.

I'm going to shut up now though.....cos it's only a tiny minority that do it, so hardly worth worring about is it?

  Ta Ducky.

There's some pretty shitty disabilism going on in another thread on here right now.  I know I'm right about the public.

Thinly veiled insults is as close as you're going to get to straight talk on forums these days since the world went PC mad . Give it another year or two and disagreeing with someone will constitute horrid bullying. And no, it's not worth worrying about in the great scheme of things

Lecs stay away from it, seriously, you're just going to upset yourself . Leave them to their bigotry and come chat to nice people, or us lot here if you get desperate