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Originally posted by Kaytee:
All I can say is that I'm making a protest vote against the present incumbent in my constituency. I will vote for a minor party, because I believe in exercising my franchise. However, I also know that my feeble protest will not affect the outcome of the election as there is an overwelming majority for one of the main party candidates. Hopefully, there will be a credible independent on the ballot paper.

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:
No i aint having a laugh, i shall vote bnp, until the real parties wise up.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
For the most part, I think you're right. However, if someone wants to apply for asylum or humanitarian assistance in the UK, perhaps because they have friends or family here or have a better understanding of the culture than other European countries or can speak English rather than (say) Spanish then how do they get here? My understanding, which may be wrong, is that they cannot just get on a flight either because visas are checked or they have no passport.

I wonder why you think that the majority of those who are camped on the other side of the channel want to come here rather than France or Germany then.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
For the most part, I think you're right. However, if someone wants to apply for asylum or humanitarian assistance in the UK, perhaps because they have friends or family here or have a better understanding of the culture than other European countries or can speak English rather than (say) Spanish then how do they get here? My understanding, which may be wrong, is that they cannot just get on a flight either because visas are checked or they have no passport.

I wonder why you think that the majority of those who are camped on the other side of the channel want to come here rather than France or Germany then.

They perceive it to be a better place to live I suppose and if they have never been here then it's all perception.

So, the benefits that we immediately give all and sundry who come here ... which appears to be mostly illegal economic migrants from outside the EU now ... what are they again?

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Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
All I can say is that I'm making a protest vote against the present incumbent in my constituency. I will vote for a minor party, because I believe in exercising my franchise. However, I also know that my feeble protest will not affect the outcome of the election as there is an overwelming majority for one of the main party candidates. Hopefully, there will be a credible independent on the ballot paper.

Same here!

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I did post the statistics earlier on but no-one seems interested in them, and as I said, the rebate was signed away by the Rt.Hon T. Blair.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by funkyjunky:
I'm voting UKIP cos I want the £146 0000 0000 spent on being in the EU each year spent on other more important things!

that's just one statistic, the uk also receives funding from the eu.

Figures quoted (and readily available to view online) from www.openeurope.org.uk

Key points
• Jack Straw has said that the Government is no longer negotiating whether the UK should increase its payments to the EU, but how much more it should pay. It has been suggested that a likely deal might involve leaving the British rebate formally unchanged but increasing the UK’s net contribution through other channels. (Telegraph, 8 November)
• Jack Straw told reporters, “What we are talking about is the size of any increase to the United Kingdom, relative to others, as well as the size of the increases for other countries, not whether or not there should be one." (Telegraph, 8 November)
• The UK already pays too much into an EU budget which is fundamentally flawed. Since joining the EU the UK has paid around £78 billion more into the EU than it has received back in EU spending. Over the next 15 years, even if the UK rebate is maintained the UK will pay £155 billion more into the budget than it receives back.
• UK contributions to the EU are already increasing. By 2007 our gross contribution to the EU will hit £10 billion a year. The Government already spends more financing the EU than on promoting trade and industry through the DTI. By 2007-8 the UK will spend more on the EU than on Work and Pensions and on the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM), which deals with housing, homelessness and scientific research.
• We calculate that proposals to cap the UK budget rebate would lead to an increase of £18 billion in the UK’s net contributions to the EU, over and above the £155 billion we will pay if the rebate is not touched.
• The EU budget is not well spent. Figures (only available since 1994, show that over £64 billion of EU funds have been spent, but then not signed off by the EU’s own accountants – the Court of Auditors.

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Well let me ask you a question Daniel J, is it your perception that there have been more migrants allowed in than is good for this country and its residents?

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
I wanted to vote Plaid Cymru

But they're not fielding candidates in London

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
I wanted to vote Plaid Cymru

But they're not fielding candidates in London

BDO, there was nothing to stop you standing.

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:
We've got the SNP up here.but I've never voted for them.Alex Salmond is a baw heid.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
thats not quite right if they were genuine asylum seekers they could simply apply for asylum, the ones jumping on lorries are well aware that they would not get asylum and that is why they come here illegaly, if they get caught once here only then will they claim asylum in an attempt to stay.

For the most part, I think you're right. However, if someone wants to apply for asylum or humanitarian assistance in the UK, perhaps because they have friends or family here or have a better understanding of the culture than other European countries or can speak English rather than (say) Spanish then how do they get here? My understanding, which may be wrong, is that they cannot just get on a flight either because visas are checked or they have no passport.

I wonder why you think that the majority of those who are camped on the other side of the channel want to come here rather than France or Germany then.

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Originally posted by cologne1:
I have just returned from Germany and the rules are the same as here, the only difference is that it's easier to enter Germany than Britain.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by cologne1:
I have just returned from Germany and the rules are the same as here, the only difference is that it's easier to enter Germany than Britain.

Something those wacky Krauts just had to learn the hard way

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by cologne1:
I have just returned from Germany and the rules are the same as here, the only difference is that it's easier to enter Germany than Britain.

Something those wacky Krauts just had to learn the hard way

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Anyone watch the Imigrant Song Contest?

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Originally posted by bozzimacoo:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by funkyjunky:
I'm voting UKIP cos I want the £146 0000 0000 spent on being in the EU each year spent on other more important things!

that's just one statistic, the uk also receives funding from the eu.

Figures quoted (and readily available to view online) from www.openeurope.org.uk

Key points
• Jack Straw has said that the Government is no longer negotiating whether the UK should increase its payments to the EU, but how much more it should pay. It has been suggested that a likely deal might involve leaving the British rebate formally unchanged but increasing the UK’s net contribution through other channels. (Telegraph, 8 November)
• Jack Straw told reporters, “What we are talking about is the size of any increase to the United Kingdom, relative to others, as well as the size of the increases for other countries, not whether or not there should be one." (Telegraph, 8 November)
• The UK already pays too much into an EU budget which is fundamentally flawed. Since joining the EU the UK has paid around £78 billion more into the EU than it has received back in EU spending. Over the next 15 years, even if the UK rebate is maintained the UK will pay £155 billion more into the budget than it receives back.
• UK contributions to the EU are already increasing. By 2007 our gross contribution to the EU will hit £10 billion a year. The Government already spends more financing the EU than on promoting trade and industry through the DTI. By 2007-8 the UK will spend more on the EU than on Work and Pensions and on the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM), which deals with housing, homelessness and scientific research.
• We calculate that proposals to cap the UK budget rebate would lead to an increase of £18 billion in the UK’s net contributions to the EU, over and above the £155 billion we will pay if the rebate is not touched.
• The EU budget is not well spent. Figures (only available since 1994, show that over £64 billion of EU funds have been spent, but then not signed off by the EU’s own accountants – the Court of Auditors.

thanks squiggle, remember watching blair on tv, brown-nosing europhiles. anything for an easy life.

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in view of the number of French and German products flooding our markets that they would miss us more than we would miss them.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Well let me ask you a question Daniel J, is it your perception that there have been more migrants allowed in than is good for this country and its residents?

Yes.

I notice you didn't answer mine though. I'm beginning to think you don't know despite having a strong position on this.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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in view of the number of French and German products flooding our markets that they would miss us more than we would miss them.

Don't take my beirwurst away again! Asda broke my heart when they did that

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
thats not quite right if they were genuine asylum seekers they could simply apply for asylum, the ones jumping on lorries are well aware that they would not get asylum and that is why they come here illegaly, if they get caught once here only then will they claim asylum in an attempt to stay.

For the most part, I think you're right. However, if someone wants to apply for asylum or humanitarian assistance in the UK, perhaps because they have friends or family here or have a better understanding of the culture than other European countries or can speak English rather than (say) Spanish then how do they get here? My understanding, which may be wrong, is that they cannot just get on a flight either because visas are checked or they have no passport.

I wonder why you think that the majority of those who are camped on the other side of the channel want to come here rather than France or Germany then.

I have just returned from Germany and the rules are the same as here, the only difference is that it's easier to enter Germany than Britain.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Well let me ask you a question Daniel J, is it your perception that there have been more migrants allowed in than is good for this country and its residents?

Yes.

I notice you didn't answer mine though. I'm beginning to think you don't know despite having a strong position on this.

I did notice that your answer as to why this country is such a strong magnet for migrants as opposed to every other country in Europe was, shall we say, a little limp.

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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in view of the number of French and German products flooding our markets that they would miss us more than we would miss them.

Don't take my beirwurst away again! Asda broke my heart when they did that

I second that.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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in view of the number of French and German products flooding our markets that they would miss us more than we would miss them.

Don't take my beirwurst away again! Asda broke my heart when they did that

I second that.

It all started to go wrong when Zisslers Butchers shut down shop.
(Of course I am very old)

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Well let me ask you a question Daniel J, is it your perception that there have been more migrants allowed in than is good for this country and its residents?

Yes.

I notice you didn't answer mine though. I'm beginning to think you don't know despite having a strong position on this.

I did notice that your answer as to why this country is such a strong magnet for migrants as opposed to every other country in Europe was, shall we say, a little limp.

As I said, I cannot have anything to do with benefits, they're no different in Germany. I can't speak for France.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Well let me ask you a question Daniel J, is it your perception that there have been more migrants allowed in than is good for this country and its residents?

Yes.

I notice you didn't answer mine though. I'm beginning to think you don't know despite having a strong position on this.

I did notice that your answer as to why this country is such a strong magnet for migrants as opposed to every other country in Europe was, shall we say, a little limp.

As I said, I cannot have anything to do with benefits, they're no different in Germany. I can't speak for France.

There has to be some reason why everyone makes for here instead of France or Germany, both of which I suspect are more prosperous than most places here.

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I did notice that your answer as to why this country is such a strong magnet for migrants as opposed to every other country in Europe was, shall we say, a little limp.

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Originally posted by squiggle:
If its such a level playing field I just don't get why we are so popular.

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
Well let me ask you a question Daniel J, is it your perception that there have been more migrants allowed in than is good for this country and its residents?

Yes.

I notice you didn't answer mine though. I'm beginning to think you don't know despite having a strong position on this.

I did notice that your answer as to why this country is such a strong magnet for migrants as opposed to every other country in Europe was, shall we say, a little limp.

As I said, I cannot have anything to do with benefits, they're no different in Germany. I can't speak for France.

There has to be some reason why everyone makes for here instead of France or Germany, both of which I suspect are more prosperous than most places here.

Germany has more migrants than Britain.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I did notice that your answer as to why this country is such a strong magnet for migrants as opposed to every other country in Europe was, shall we say, a little limp.

Don't you feel even a little bit smug that they prefer us to t'others?

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I have never been to Germany. Have they such problems as us with severe overcrowding and schools where so many languages are spoken that it makes for difficulties with teaching?

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I have never been to Germany. Have they such problems as us with severe overcrowding and schools where so many languages are spoken that it makes for difficulties with teaching?

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I have never been to Germany. Have they such problems as us with severe overcrowding and schools where so many languages are spoken that it makes for difficulties with teaching?

Yes. One specific example: A large district in Cologne is up in arms because 2 football pitches used by youngsters have been razed to the ground in order to build a mosque. Same opposition, same perceptions, same problems.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I have never been to Germany. Have they such problems as us with severe overcrowding and schools where so many languages are spoken that it makes for difficulties with teaching?

I don't think that any country has that.
However I can remember being involved in a conversation with a dozen or so of my German pals. They were all in their forties, and not one of them has children. One solemly said to me, "You know Joe (not my real name) They say that in ten years one German child in four will be a Muslim!" The irony I think was lost on them. Someone has to steer the country forward and pay for pensions.