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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
How do I put this politely?

**** off, nazis

UKIP aren't the BNP you know

Oh. OK

And there was me confusing them with rampant xenophobia and savage immigration policies

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Originally posted by squiggle:


UKIP aren't the BNP you know

Exactly

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

Thatcher negotiated a very heavy rebate (this pished the EU off no end).

Yes but Tony Blair signed that away.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
How do I put this politely?

**** off, nazis

UKIP aren't the BNP you know

Oh. OK

And there was me confusing them with rampant xenophobia and savage immigration policies

I don't know about savage immigration policies but I do believe we need (very urgently) more rigorous immigration policies. If we were to stop handing out benefits immediately to all and sundry why would they want to come here rather than remain in France, Germany whatever?

No to facism.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

I don't know about savage immigration policies but I do believe we need (very urgently) more rigorous immigration policies. If we were to stop handing out benefits immediately to all and sundry why would they want to come here rather than remain in France, Germany whatever?

Absolutely agree with you squiggle. On that note, I shall say no more before we are jumped on

If we were to stop handing out benefits to all and sundry I shudder to think what the denizens of the estate down the road would do for their fags n cider

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

I don't know about savage immigration policies but I do believe we need (very urgently) more rigorous immigration policies. If we were to stop handing out benefits immediately to all and sundry why would they want to come here rather than remain in France, Germany whatever?

Absolutely agree with you squiggle. On that note, I shall say no more before we are jumped on

Good thinking LL Last one behind the sofa is a cissy!!

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
If we were to stop handing out benefits to all and sundry I shudder to think what the denizens of the estate down the road would do for their fags n cider

Its more to do with not handing out benefits to someone who's just arrived!

Anything that Kilroy-Silk one endorsed has to be dodgy!

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Its more to do with not handing out benefits to someone who's just arrived!

Hordes of 'em. Just waiting till dark to swim the Channel

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Originally posted by squiggle:
I don't know about savage immigration policies but I do believe we need (very urgently) more rigorous immigration policies. If we were to stop handing out benefits immediately to all and sundry why would they want to come here rather than remain in France, Germany whatever?

Which benefits do you think we immediately hand out to all and sundry who come here? I'm not saying there aren't, you understand. Presumably you're talking about just EU migrants here?

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Its more to do with not handing out benefits to someone who's just arrived!

Hordes of 'em. Just waiting till dark to swim the Channel

They're making the lorry drivers' lives a nightmare in France. Did you read the other day about some that stowed away in a tanker and luckily they made a noise just as it was about to be filled up with sulphuric acid!!!

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Originally posted by squiggle:

Good thinking LL Last one behind the sofa is a cissy!!

You will never win the argument

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Its more to do with not handing out benefits to someone who's just arrived!

Hordes of 'em. Just waiting till dark to swim the Channel

They're making the lorry drivers' lives a nightmare in France. Did you read the other day about some that stowed away in a tanker and luckily they made a noise just as it was about to be filled up with sulphuric acid!!!

Russian Roulette

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Originally posted by squiggle:
They're making the lorry drivers' lives a nightmare in France. Did you read the other day about some that stowed away in a tanker and luckily they made a noise just as it was about to be filled up with sulphuric acid!!!

People who hide in lorries are almost certainly not EU citizens. They're either asylum seekers or non-EU economic migrants. Asylum seekers are paid a tiny amount of money to survive while their claims are assessed else they'd starve. Non-EU migrants are not paid benefits unless they have false ID claiming to be EU citizens or have a right to work here. If they had false ID that stood up to scrutiny then why would they be hidden in lorries? EU citizens normally have a right to visit here and work here.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
You will never win the argument

Valid arguments win themselves.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

Good thinking LL Last one behind the sofa is a cissy!!

You will never win the argument

Ha Ha Ha! Where did you find that smiley you clever person you!!!

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Ha Ha Ha! Where did you find that smiley you clever person you!!!

Dunno now, you just pick them up here and there. I probably stole it from someone

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
You will never win the argument

Valid arguments win themselves.

Not in front of about 95% of the Judges I've ever met

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Ha Ha Ha! Where did you find that smiley you clever person you!!!

Dunno now, you just pick them up here and there. I probably stole it from someone

Do you manage to store 'em? I've never worked that out? Takes me ages every time I go a looking.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Ha Ha Ha! Where did you find that smiley you clever person you!!!

Dunno now, you just pick them up here and there. I probably stole it from someone

Do you manage to store 'em? I've never worked that out? Takes me ages every time I go a looking.

Yes, if you right click on the smiley you want and "save image as" or "save picture as", you can then download into photobucket.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:


Ha Ha Ha! Where did you find that smiley you clever person you!!!

Dunno now, you just pick them up here and there. I probably stole it from someone

Do you manage to store 'em? I've never worked that out? Takes me ages every time I go a looking.

Yes, if you right click on the smiley you want and "save image as" or "save picture as", you can then download into photobucket.

Good tip! Thanks

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
Not in front of about 95% of the Judges I've ever met

Well, you have to present them first you know.

Immigration ones are easy. Asking for any sort of detail at all tends to make people with very strong opinions on immigration run away almost immediately. By observation, most of those opinions are based on overwhelming ignorance, racial prejudice, or downright racism.

You only have to ask, too. There's usually no need to debate it or present a counter argument. The irony is that there are good reasons to argue for immigration controls; reasons that you can make in public and not just quietly with 'like-minded people'.

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Originally posted by funkyjunky:
I'm voting UKIP cos I want the £146 0000 0000 spent on being in the EU each year spent on other more important things!

that's just one statistic, the uk also receives funding from the eu.

I'd rather vote for the candidate with the shiniest shoes than UKIP

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by funkyjunky:
I'm voting UKIP cos I want the £146 0000 0000 spent on being in the EU each year spent on other more important things!

that's just one statistic, the uk also receives funding from the eu.

Figures quoted (and readily available to view online) from www.openeurope.org.uk

Key points
• Jack Straw has said that the Government is no longer negotiating whether the UK should increase its payments to the EU, but how much more it should pay. It has been suggested that a likely deal might involve leaving the British rebate formally unchanged but increasing the UK’s net contribution through other channels. (Telegraph, 8 November)
• Jack Straw told reporters, “What we are talking about is the size of any increase to the United Kingdom, relative to others, as well as the size of the increases for other countries, not whether or not there should be one." (Telegraph, 8 November)
• The UK already pays too much into an EU budget which is fundamentally flawed. Since joining the EU the UK has paid around £78 billion more into the EU than it has received back in EU spending. Over the next 15 years, even if the UK rebate is maintained the UK will pay £155 billion more into the budget than it receives back.
• UK contributions to the EU are already increasing. By 2007 our gross contribution to the EU will hit £10 billion a year. The Government already spends more financing the EU than on promoting trade and industry through the DTI. By 2007-8 the UK will spend more on the EU than on Work and Pensions and on the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM), which deals with housing, homelessness and scientific research.
• We calculate that proposals to cap the UK budget rebate would lead to an increase of £18 billion in the UK’s net contributions to the EU, over and above the £155 billion we will pay if the rebate is not touched.
• The EU budget is not well spent. Figures (only available since 1994, show that over £64 billion of EU funds have been spent, but then not signed off by the EU’s own accountants – the Court of Auditors.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

People who hide in lorries are almost certainly not EU citizens. They're either asylum seekers or non-EU economic migrants. Asylum seekers are paid a tiny amount of money to survive while their claims are assessed else they'd starve. Non-EU migrants are not paid benefits unless they have false ID claiming to be EU citizens or have a right to work here. If they had false ID that stood up to scrutiny then why would they be hidden in lorries? EU citizens normally have a right to visit here and work here.

thats not quite right if they were genuine asylum seekers they could simply apply for asylum, the ones jumping on lorries are well aware that they would not get asylum and that is why they come here illegaly, if they get caught once here only then will they claim asylum in an attempt to stay.

when discussing immigration for some reason its often all lumped together but there are genuine asylum seekers and those people do need to be taken care of until it is safe for them to return to their home countries as opposed to those who are jumping lorries or trafficked here and have no right or legitimate reason to be here and should be removed.

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
thats not quite right if they were genuine asylum seekers they could simply apply for asylum, the ones jumping on lorries are well aware that they would not get asylum and that is why they come here illegaly, if they get caught once here only then will they claim asylum in an attempt to stay.

For the most part, I think you're right. However, if someone wants to apply for asylum or humanitarian assistance in the UK, perhaps because they have friends or family here or have a better understanding of the culture than other European countries or can speak English rather than (say) Spanish then how do they get here? My understanding, which may be wrong, is that they cannot just get on a flight either because visas are checked or they have no passport.

I met a couple of their candidates at count up time in the last local elections.
If you want straight talking people who look like they were able to feed and dress themselves, chew gum, and walk in a straight line, then they are the people for you.

Alas! Politics appears to leave them baffled.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
thats not quite right if they were genuine asylum seekers they could simply apply for asylum, the ones jumping on lorries are well aware that they would not get asylum and that is why they come here illegaly, if they get caught once here only then will they claim asylum in an attempt to stay.

For the most part, I think you're right. However, if someone wants to apply for asylum or humanitarian assistance in the UK, perhaps because they have friends or family here or have a better understanding of the culture than other European countries or can speak English rather than (say) Spanish then how do they get here? My understanding, which may be wrong, is that they cannot just get on a flight either because visas are checked or they have no passport.

I wonder why you think that the majority of those who are camped on the other side of the channel want to come here rather than France or Germany then.

The bnp will do for me.

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:

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Originally posted by funkyjunky:

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Originally posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
funkyjunky... how much does the EU give back to us?

All I know is they said on the advert just earlier on BBC1 that £40 million pounds is spent each day being a member of the EU.

Yes, but they have plucked that bit of info out of a much bigger picture. We get money back from the EU. Thatcher negotiated a very heavy rebate (this pished the EU off no end).

Do find out the whole picture, then make your own mind up.

I did post the statistics earlier on but no-one seems interested in them, and as I said, the rebate was signed away by the Rt.Hon T. Blair.

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:
The bnp will do for me.

Their candidates looked like they were unable to dress and feed themselves.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:
The bnp will do for me.

Their candidates looked like they were unable to dress and feed themselves.

Thats because they don't cheat on expense claims.

Ooh, that Nigel Flange gets on me nerves!

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:
The bnp will do for me.

Their candidates looked like they were unable to dress and feed themselves.

Thats because they don't cheat on expense claims.

Rather like UKIP their life of real crime is well documented.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:
The bnp will do for me.

Their candidates looked like they were unable to dress and feed themselves.

Thats because they don't cheat on expense claims.

Rather like UKIP their life of real crime is well documented.

there are criminal elements in all walks of life.

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by Gar E Oh En:
The bnp will do for me.

Their candidates looked like they were unable to dress and feed themselves.

Thats because they don't cheat on expense claims.

Rather like UKIP their life of real crime is well documented.

there are criminal elements in all walks of life.

As you wish.
Not wishing to bite really 'cos I think you are having a laugh.
However on these threads I know for a fact that there are left wing Germans, Jews, Black people, gays, disabled, and people like me whose Dad and Uncles fought aginst Fascism. The BNP willn't get a look in.

No i aint having a laugh, i shall vote bnp, until the real parties wise up.