Morning Senora I think you're spot on.

Morning Fairfax

I agree Senora..... especially the bit where you say his mask is slipping. For someone who openly professes forgiveness, he is pretty unforgiving at times.

Absolutely. He has not stopped banging on about how cowardly Ben is, how 'orrible' the task was

Spot on Senora.

Yeah I feel he's quite spiteful at times, and seems to enjoy when HM's gang up on Ben....Some great Christian values there....

I have noticed since the task he has become very cocky and his mask is slipping, but he never had me fooled anyway

@ Velma

No I've never liked him especially after he totally shat all over Steve regarding "Healing" Steve legs...and the whole drunk on the Holy Spirit nonsense...Made me laugh a couple of weeks ago when he was in the diary room "Drunk" on the Holy Spirit, he was chatting about bubbly feelings in his belly...BB asked him about Noms..Suddenly he was as sober as a Judge.

From your laughter, do you agree that he looks like Velma from Scooby-Doo?

Perhaps Dave is a little pissed that he had to do a task because of him. A task that for a fat chap wouldn't have been a lot of fun and knowing that your so-called best mate in the house nominated you to do it can't have helped. Perhaps he is beginning to see what others see, that Ben is all about Ben.

absolutely

good observation skills senora

Agree!
And he really needs to stop going on about that task. The thing about true martyrdom, mate, is you're not SUPPOSED to enjoy it. Or milk the last drop out of it.

Dave has said that he is part of a "movement" so his Christian values seem to have got a bit soiled.

I understood it was the wrath of the TOT, not a task. Dave was perfectly entitled to turn it down. They didn't know there would be a reward. Keeva had to do Shabby's punishment and nobody kicked off at her for that.

If any one is getting cocky atm its Ife, since she got rid of Shabby her ego has exploded

He`s so full of the Lord`s LURVE isn`t he

Spot on Amythist

Why is it so wrong to pass on the Christian message?  Dave isn't trying to convert them but in his own crazy way he's happy being drunk with the Love of the Lord.  Think I prefer that to the sex antics we had some years.
Also, if Ben had put me up to take his punishment I would never let him forget it.

Couldn't agree more

With respect he is not passing on the Christian message he is putting a lot of people off Christianity but ironically he is not behaving in any way that a Christian would recognise.

Oh I just love when people articulate what I can't

I wasn't aware that the Christian message was to be a drunk, a bigot, a disabilist and relish people taking the mick out of your "best friend" that you love so much.

And again that kills me about him

Whilst Im a sceptic and basically anti all organised religion,its unfair to say David's promoting getting drunk.He may have dodgy views,shared by the Church of England.His best friend deserves it!

That's why I put drunk in italics.  I meant the ridiculous fake drunk on Jesus stuff...pretty sure Jesus wouldn't approve of that.

pretty sure he wouldnt mind, not harming anyone is it

religious ecstasy

Really? Why do so many branches of Christianity frown upon drug taking and drinking to excess then?  (genuine question)

Dave doesn't just simply claim to be full of the joy of the Lord...They actually "snort" pages of the bible mimicking cocaine abuse.  They "snort" crucifixes, they say they are "jacked up" on Jesus.  It's taking religious ecstasy and perverting it.

And yes all that stuff doesn't hurt anyone (as far as I'm aware) but his attitude towards disability does.

His dodgy views certainly are not shared by the Church of England.  I think the guy has made up his own religion.

Yes, its all very makey uppey isn't it. In all my days, I have never heard of anyone being drunk on the lord. A load of old tripe

Yes all that stuff does hurt all those who have genuine beliefs and not this pseudo-religious claptrap peddled by Good 'Ol Dave.  They see Dave 'getting drunk on the Lord' loving everyone but finding time to stab his fellow HM's in the back, and being patronising of people with disabilities like Steve and think well if that's Christianity you can keep it

Don't see it. If only he'd drop the gimmick.

Actually, yes, I agree and take back what I said at the end of my post.

I can see how Christians would feel as though it makes a mockery of their faith and how it could upset them.  Dave gives ammo to people who wish to take the mickey.

There is a video on youtube of Dave pretending to be a wheelchair user "for attention" laughing, thinking the whole thing is hilarious.  I cannot even begin to explain how unchristian that is.  Encouraging his friends to buy wheelchairs cheaply from ebay to do the same (potentially preventing someone who genuinely needs one accessing one affordably) .....argh just ARGH

Yeah it's really harmless to pretend to be paraplegic and chuck yourself out of the chair to "test" how many people come to rescue you.

Obviously.

I saw a spokesman for the Cof E explaining why they wouldnt be permitting same sex marriages on BBC news so they do share some views

I dont know anything about the disability matter

Im also not really into defending Dave per se Im just interested in balanced argument

I'm not disagreeing with you leccy     It's disgusting.

Fair enough and I apologise for being snippy.

Why is it more believable that we all come from Adam and Eve and that Jesus was God's son and ascended to heaven? Just because it's not anything we know much about it's no more  hokum than any religion. If we lived in the South American jungle with no access to 'civilisation' and believed in the yucca plant, would that makes us ridiculous?