Univeristy tuition fees

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LeccyMember

I see the Mail is having another epic mailfail. The students were chanting to Aaron Porter "You're a Tory too"*

The mail have reported it as sickening racism (coz lefties are well known for being racist, eh mail?) As chanting "You're a Tory Jew"

*Coz he's very much New Labour and the reasons he hasn't supported the students is coz he wants to secure himself a safe Lab seat...so, in other words a Tory.

1/29/1110:25 AM

charlisockMember

I thought I saw something about that Leccy. Why oh why does the Mail go up in arms over EVERYTHING

1/29/1110:34 AM

SazBombMember

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epic mailfail.

1/29/1110:36 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

Carli, the Mail thinks that they represent the British Public, Nuff said.

1/29/1110:38 AM

LeccyMember

Sorry can't quote but yes Charli, Saz and Cologne. They aren't happy unless they are whipping up a bit of hatred. Or fear. Both at the same time is like gold to them.

1/29/1110:42 AM

Former Member

Been on the Mail website?

It's as bad as the star with all the trashy tales of Danielle Lloyd etc lol.

As long as you can read between the lines eh

1/29/1110:42 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

Hand on heart I have never and will never buy or read the mail. I won't even give it capital letters.

1/29/1110:46 AM

CroctacusMember

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Clerical Officer job with BT 5 days after moving here.

How strange...that was my first job on leaving school....except it was still the post office then, it was just as it was changing over I if remember rightly....what was my office is not the London Bridge Hotel. I lasted 10 weeks and left cos I spend most of my time bored silly cos i had nothing to do except impress all the engineers in the canteen on my breaks with my eating prowess.

1/29/1110:55 AM

Former Member

first job: Finance and Accounts Executive Officer, BT, Euston Tower

Loved that moniker.

1/29/1110:59 AM

pretty_pMember

Still, you must be glad that you've finished your degree and don't have the debt yourself PP. I know I am.

TBH I'm not really bothered about it - I have loads of debt now and I haven't lost a seconds sleep over that. It isn't "proper debt" therefore if I ever find myself in a situation where I am not earning enough I won't have to pay anything. If anybody ever asked me if I was in debt my answer would be no - as I'm not in any real debt. Hope that makes sense.

1/29/1110:59 AM

pretty_pMember

On the Uni thing overall though I'm torn...going to Uni should not be accessible to everyone because then a degree becomes worthless...but it should be academic ability that decides it, not money. Having said that my son left last year with debts getting on for £20000 and the one that's there now will have about the same so a few extra thousand in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference.

I agree that it does need to be less accessible - the way to do that is to get rid of the ridiculous amount of "mickey mouse" courses

1/29/1111:06 AM

pretty_pMember

Wrote a reply back, but deleted it: because I don't have to explain myself to other posters on here.. That said, I shan't be posting on anymore threads that PP starts. She winds me up beyond belief, so I am probably best to just stay clear of the threads that she starts. So that's the last comment here from me.

Bye then!!!!

1/29/1111:07 AM

CroctacusMember

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the way to do that is to get rid of the ridiculous amount of "mickey mouse" courses

Like media studies

1/29/1111:08 AM

MrMincePieMember

Just out of interest.... what degrees would you call "mickey mouse" courses then?

1/29/1111:08 AM

Former Member

Marketing.

1/29/1111:10 AM

pretty_pMember

Hypothetically if you were buying a house and the estate agent said, you house price is going to increase to 3 times the price but don't worry you don't have to pay it upfront, you can get a mortgage that will cover you. I wonder would you still be of the same opinion.

Difficult to compare the two really - a mortgage is something that needs paying every month reagrdless of income whereas a student loan doesn't.

1/29/1111:09 AM

SazBombMember

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i had nothing to do except impress all the engineers in the canteen on my breaks with my eating prowess.

1/29/1111:12 AM

MrMincePieMember

Wtf... didnt know there was "David Beckham Studies"

1/29/1111:12 AM

SazBombMember

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It isn't "proper debt" therefore if I ever find myself in a situation where I am not earning enough I won't have to pay anything. If anybody ever asked me if I was in debt my answer would be no - as I'm not in any real debt. Hope that makes sense.

oh thats how I view it too... mind you it took my dad aaaaaaages to explain it to me

1/29/1111:13 AM

SazBombMember

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Just out of interest.... what degrees would you call "mickey mouse" courses then?

Someone was in the paper the other day after becoming the first person in the UK to get a Masters degree in The Beatles

1/29/1111:14 AM

RiverRockMember

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Difficult to compare the two really - a mortgage is something that needs paying every month reagrdless of income whereas a student loan doesn't.

Yea but you won't be paying any more per month than already agreed, it'll just take a bit longer thats all.

1/29/1111:16 AM

pretty_pMember

Like media studies

At one University in Liverpool you can study the Beatles.

1/29/1111:16 AM

pretty_pMember

Yea but you won't be paying any more per month than already agreed, it'll just take a bit longer thats all.

But if I lost my job next week my mortgage would still need paying - student loan re-payments would cease and are written off after 30 years anyway.

1/29/1111:18 AM

CroctacusMember

You can probably do 'the Krays' at East London

1/29/1111:19 AM

Suzi-QMember

How wonderful that student loans can be written off after 30 years!

Go to University, go on benefits or get a low paying job and your loan gets written off! Great system!

1/29/1111:24 AM

RiverRockMember

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But if I lost my job next week my mortgage would still need paying - student loan re-payments would cease and are written off after 30 years anyway.

They are only written off after 30 years if you don't earn over the threshold for 30 years. Regardless of anything the government are lend out 3 times the money as very few will be paying their fees up front, thus putting the country intro more debt couple this with the fact it will take longer to pay it back if they raise the threshold.

1/29/1111:24 AM

~Lee~Member

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How wonderful that student loans can be written off after 30 years! Go to University, go on benefits or get a low paying job and your loan gets written off! Great system!

1/29/1111:30 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

I don't want to start another war, but as student fees are legally accepted, why should they be less urgent to pay back than any other loan people take out being desperate for money?

1/29/1111:34 AM

Suzi-QMember

What a joke eh?....Nice mentality to get through life,go into debt but it's not really debt,don't rush/don't worry about repaying it as eventually it will be written off.IMO it still leaves someone else carrying the can whether they like it or not.

That's the kind of mentality that has gotten the entire country into debt. It's time for EVERYONE to take responsibility for their own finances - including their student debts! If you can't afford to go to universtiy, then don't.

1/29/1111:37 AM

Former Member

Reference: Suzi

If you can't afford to go to universtiy, then don't.

Bit harsh if you have academic ability.

1/29/1111:40 AM

pretty_pMember

If you can't afford to go to universtiy, then don't.

That's a little harsh - I couldn't afford to pay up front for University however with the student finance available I was able to do so. I am now paying back the money I was lent - by this rule University would be come exclusive based upon money rather than on ability - how can that be right?

1/29/1111:42 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

It's a perpetual giving and taking. Not healthy.

1/29/1111:45 AM

RiverRockMember

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f you can't afford to go to universtiy, then don't.

So as usual education is reserved for the rich and the poor get shafted...again.

Saw a group on Facebook a while back but even though it was a joke its pretty apt:

"The day Nick Clegg dies because his doctor couldn't afford to go to university'

1/29/1111:46 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

Quite right, RR, I agree.

1/29/1111:47 AM

Suzi-QMember

Bit harsh if you have academic ability.

Yes, you're right, it is a bit harsh. However, not everyone should go to university. Isn't university supposed to prepare you for life? Isn't university supposed to prepare you to go into the workforce with an advantage?

What, exactly, is the kind of job available for someone with a degree of "The Beatles" prepared to do? What advantage does some with a degree in David Beckham studies prepared to do?

1/29/1111:50 AM

RiverRockMember

1/29/1111:54 AM

~Lee~Member

University should be accessible to all, what I do feel must change are the threshold ,the opinion that it's not a debt,it is a debt and a debt that MUST be repaid within a reasonable time (no 30 yrs malarky)or one of two things will happen high rate ,interest will be applied or wages will be garnished.

1/29/1111:55 AM

SazBombMember

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If you can't afford to go to universtiy, then don't.

Yeah! Screw you gifted kids from poor families!

1/29/1111:59 AM

RiverRockMember

If my overall debt was say £20k I wouldn't mind paying it off over ten years, that's about £2,000 a year £150 a month. Sort of like a Credit Union loan, you have to pay at least £100 month, if you want you can pay more get your loan paid quicker-no penalty for early repayment.

The way you go on PP annoys me, you berate and judge people on other threads for 'living on credit' and spending above their means etc, the usual cliques however you not only do the same but go on like, 'I don't see it as a loan', 'Its written off after so long anyway' and its convenient you have finished your degree so none of this effects you. on rule for one and another for your average uneducated Joe Bloggs.

1/29/1112:02 PM

Suzi-QMember

Suzi, hypothetically speaking there may be hundreds of people from the lower end of the socio-economic scale that are set for a field in medicine, dentistry etc but can't afford it. Say one of potentially discovers the cure for cancer or some other disease. I know its a bit out there but this is possible, people like these are what society needs. Not these upper class students coming in to do 'drama'.

Oh, I agree whole heartedly! IMO, there is a world of difference between a student studying pre-med, biochemisty, etc., and a student studying David Beckham. One course prepares you for a career and the other prepares you for the dole.

Too many students go to uni, not for the knowledge but for the "experience".

1/29/1112:05 PM

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