Ok in a perfect world it would be free BUT we don't live in a perfect world. I don't understand why so many people are making such a big fuss about the increase in fees with the argument that they will no longer be able to afford to go - why not?? Nothing has to be paid up front and re-paymens will not be made until earning at least a salary of ÂĢ21,000 and even then the amount will be negligible. Are we just seeing a case of bandwagon jumping here - a few people have said it is wrong so we will all join in? I really can't understand why so many people are so annoyed by it.
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nah.. I agree with you!
Hence why my daughter is still having her gap year next year and her applications are all for 2012.
The fees may be going up (& the politics of that may be right or wrong), but from her perspective (& ours) its not an issue that will inhibit her from going to uni.
Hence why my daughter is still having her gap year next year and her applications are all for 2012.
The fees may be going up (& the politics of that may be right or wrong), but from her perspective (& ours) its not an issue that will inhibit her from going to uni.
I'm fascinated by the number of students who go to a University nowadays.
well that is gonna change Joe..
its rejection city this year!
its rejection city this year!
Still, you must be glad that you've finished your degree and don't have the debt yourself PP. I know I am.
No comment...
None in Scotland...
I never protested when i was at uni....I just got drunk.
quote:i'm glad i have completed my degree because a debt of thousands would worry me!
I finished my degree a few years ago and have thousands of debt, i'm not worried
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I finished my degree a few years ago and have thousands of debt, i'm not worried
Unbelievable. 
I have absolutely no comment whatever, about this subject, although I would have happily discussed it, if it had been anyone else starting the thread.
All I will say is that I find it hilarious that someone who 'claims' to have been to university - as PP does - can't even SPELL the word UNIVERSITY. It's spelt 'Univeristy' on the thread title. So someone who 'claims' to have been - should at least learn to spell the WORD university first.
I have absolutely no comment whatever, about this subject, although I would have happily discussed it, if it had been anyone else starting the thread. All I will say is that I find it hilarious that someone who 'claims' to have been to university - as PP does - can't even SPELL the word UNIVERSITY. It's spelt 'Univeristy' on the thread title. So someone who 'claims' to have been - should at least learn to spell the WORD university first.
My son's partner has a first class honours and didn't know where Hebden Bridge is, so I don't think we expect graduates to be good at everything. I have a degree and my English is appalling!
Oh don't be so picky! My spelling is pretty much perfect...my typing however is crap...I've made far worse typos than that.
yes cos 'univeristy' could never be a typo... obviously it means the poster is fick
quote:My son's partner has a first class honours and didn't know where Hebden Bridge is, so I don't think we expect graduates to be good at everything. I have a degree and my English is appalling!
my maths is shocking
On the Uni thing overall though I'm torn...going to Uni should not be accessible to everyone because then a degree becomes worthless...but it should be academic ability that decides it, not money.
Having said that my son left last year with debts getting on for ÂĢ20000 and the one that's there now will have about the same so a few extra thousand in the grand scheme of things doesn't make much difference.
Wrote a reply back, but deleted it: because I don't have to explain myself to other posters on here.. That said, I shan't be posting on anymore threads that PP starts. She winds me up beyond belief, so I am probably best to just stay clear of the threads that she starts. So that's the last comment here from me. 
The reason people are so annoyed is because the fees are increasing by 7 grand a year so people will be about ÂĢ20k more in debt for a 3year course. Regardless of paying back money its a bigger loan to take out.
I don't understand if the government are in such difficulties how they can propose this idea. they are basically lending out 3 times the amount (about ÂĢ10k instead of ÂĢ3,290), so they will be lending out 3 times the amount of loans putting the country back in even more debt and the loans will not be paid back until an even later stage than they previously had been.
Hypothetically if you were buying a house and the estate agent said, you house price is going to increase to 3 times the price but don't worry you don't have to pay it upfront, you can get a mortgage that will cover you. I wonder would you still be of the same opinion.
I don't understand if the government are in such difficulties how they can propose this idea. they are basically lending out 3 times the amount (about ÂĢ10k instead of ÂĢ3,290), so they will be lending out 3 times the amount of loans putting the country back in even more debt and the loans will not be paid back until an even later stage than they previously had been.
Hypothetically if you were buying a house and the estate agent said, you house price is going to increase to 3 times the price but don't worry you don't have to pay it upfront, you can get a mortgage that will cover you. I wonder would you still be of the same opinion.
We need apprenticeships and lots of them. Kids have to go to FE college now to do bricklaying. Madness.
There's nowt for them to do no apprenticeships, no jobs, no JSA for under 18s they have no option but to go to sixth form or FE education. That why we have so many kids at uni.
ION The cops at the Manchester protest have kettled the kids in a PUB, yeah right, well done, expert planning...or was it?
There's nowt for them to do no apprenticeships, no jobs, no JSA for under 18s they have no option but to go to sixth form or FE education. That why we have so many kids at uni.
ION The cops at the Manchester protest have kettled the kids in a PUB, yeah right, well done, expert planning...or was it?
Thing is see Leccy, there are very few skills left in which to be an apprentice. Previous governments of a bluish hue could only see a small part of the economic impact of shutting down our industrial complex and letting other countries take over those traditional skills whilst we specialised in things we were good at such as banking, and er, finance. 
Excellent point well made Mr Joe, but when I take over the world there will be a mass council house building project for which we will need sparkys, joiners aplenty
A place at Eton costs 30 grand a year, so it's a bit of a saving, for some.
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On the Uni thing overall though I'm torn...going to Uni should not be accessible to everyone because then a degree becomes worthless...but it should be academic ability that decides it, not money.
I agree... and investment in apprenticeships, other FE courses, ... you know... perhaps look at the job sector first, see what is needed in the real world... then backward engineer it so that these courses will fulfil that need.As it is... there will be reduced no. of kids going to uni... but they are slashing funding to colleges as well.
They might as well just kettle the kids from the school gates to the dole queue and have done with it!
It's a bit like the chicken and the egg really. Do you start apprentiships (sp) when small businesses are not being helped or do you put money into the businesses, but then don't have enough money to support the apprentice?
and investment in apprenticeships, other FE courses, ... you know... perhaps look at the job sector first, see what is needed in the real world... then backward engineer it so that these courses will fulfil that need.
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Time machines, that go back thirty years or so?
But yeah, agree totally we need to try somehow to think about what we are going to do coz this experiment in relying on the City has turned out a bit shit hasn't it. The first politician to stand up and say they had good solid ideas on job creation, sustainable jobs, not like the other failed experiment with call centres would become my new hero.
Or there is my Leccydictatorship of council houses
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Time machines, that go back thirty years or so?
But yeah, agree totally we need to try somehow to think about what we are going to do coz this experiment in relying on the City has turned out a bit shit hasn't it. The first politician to stand up and say they had good solid ideas on job creation, sustainable jobs, not like the other failed experiment with call centres would become my new hero.
Or there is my Leccydictatorship of council houses
its not complicated... you don't have to be politically aware to realise that if all the areas of further education and job training are being slashed... that this is condemming kids to leaving school with no expectation of gaining employment. Which is exactly how it was when I was leaving school in 1986
Things change really quickly...cos I left in 1979 and then and for the next year or so, (till I settled down in one place) it was easy to walk from job to job.
quote:I agree... and investment in apprenticeships, other FE courses, ... you know... perhaps look at the job sector first, see what is needed in the real world... then backward engineer it so that these courses will fulfil that need.
I agree with that... I think too much emphasis is placed on going to uni now. Like Leccy said there are no apprenticeships really anymore, we need to train people to do trades too!
Out of my entire year group only a handful went to uni, mind there was nowt for us either.
The army came to talk to the boys (literally, we were sent off in different rooms-oh the sexism of it!
) and a clothing factory came to talk to the girls. If you failed your sewing machine test (Guess how well I did? Hah 
) you were packed off to a YTS.
No sixth form so FE college was the only other option, re sit GCSEs or do A levels. That was it. The end. Sum total of what was on offer to us.
The girls don't even have the factory now, it's going to be the 80s/early 90s all over again. depressing.
The army came to talk to the boys (literally, we were sent off in different rooms-oh the sexism of it!
) and a clothing factory came to talk to the girls. If you failed your sewing machine test (Guess how well I did? Hah ) you were packed off to a YTS. No sixth form so FE college was the only other option, re sit GCSEs or do A levels. That was it. The end. Sum total of what was on offer to us.
The girls don't even have the factory now, it's going to be the 80s/early 90s all over again. depressing.
The increased fees and spending cuts are still p!ssing people off... maybe if you read this you'll work out why they're "annoyed".
It is groundhog day, but with the added inflation which has been rising for 30 years. Thatcher ruined the economy and this lot are doing the same. I was hoping that the coalition would temper the typical Tory carp, but it hasn't materialised.
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Things change really quickly...cos I left in 1979 and then and for the next year or so, (till I settled down in one place) it was easy to walk from job to job
you were in the south though Croc.. I did get a job when I left school in Leeds, but it was a crap job.. but I didn't dare not take it.. if you were fortunate to get an offer.. you took it. then less than a year later I moved down south and the difference was unbelievable.. I was considered well qualified down here and landed myself a Clerical Officer job with BT 5 days after moving here.
there are some apprenticeships on the go at the moment though... I know this cos my daughter worked alongside the carpenters apprentice for her work experience.. she covered his job for him when he was at college one day a week.
quote:It is groundhog day, but with the added inflation which has been rising for 30 years. Thatcher ruined the economy and this lot are doing the same. I was hoping that the coalition would temper the typical Tory carp, but it hasn't materialised.
Nick Clegg: undercover Tory
quote:there are some apprenticeships on the go at the moment though... I know this cos my daughter worked alongside the carpenters apprentice for her work experience.. she covered his job for him when he was at college one day a week.
My brother's g/f's brother (
)is doing a carpentry apprenticeship 
There should be more available though I think
Lib Dems-Yellow Tories, and you can take that yellow anyway you like.
True, SazBomb, he disguised himself well enough though, little s*tso.