Ducky, I know I'm going to get rocks for this, but if I understand rightly you are a teacher. Why do you say 'I was sat here' when that is so wrong, I can't even start. Have teachers just taken on their pupils language? Genuine question, no harm meant. 
Originally Posted by sprout:
No, its not Ditty, but everyone's got to start somewhere, and as I said it could spur people on to do better things
Really Sprout?
what is the career path for that job then? Seriously.. its more likely to put them off working for life!
In the wider context I am totally in agreement.. it was just that particular example of a job that I thought was naive
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Syd:
Why?...don't you like your public toilets to be clean at all times?..........I know I would appreciate it and would expect the people "employed" to oversee it to be paid well (maybe a bonus because of our grossness)..
I agree with all that... but you were implying that if this job was respected by people, & paid well, that this would be the kind of job to entice a young person from the life of benefit claiming or crime.
Its not the job I would use for the "lets motivate our young people" poster campaign!
No, its not Ditty, but everyone's got to start somewhere, and as I said it could spur people on to do better things
And to take pride in their work and joy in climbing the ladder......
its not the teachers to blame sprout its the twats that have presided over the ' get what yoiy can while you can and the more you have the better you are' culture in this country that has been evident for the last 3 decades that have to shoulder some of the blame for people deciding its alla crock of shit.
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by sprout:
No, its not Ditty, but everyone's got to start somewhere, and as I said it could spur people on to do better things
Really Sprout?
what is the career path for that job then? Seriously.. its more likely to put them off working for life!
In the wider context I am totally in agreement.. it was just that particular example of a job that I thought was naive
Isn't it said that its easier to get a job once you're in a job?
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by sprout:
No, its not Ditty, but everyone's got to start somewhere, and as I said it could spur people on to do better things
Really Sprout?
what is the career path for that job then? Seriously.. its more likely to put them off working for life!
In the wider context I am totally in agreement.. it was just that particular example of a job that I thought was naive
Isn't it said that its easier to get a job once you're in a job?
Yep, and you can do the job, and maybe excel in the job.....
cleanin toilets isnt ever gonna get you on the career path, sprout.
i wouldnt do it, and i appreciate that others that do, do it.
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
ANSWER-idle bastards, no ambition, no future,no idea of the way they are f*cking up the country that serves them so well
Only this country doesn't serve them well.
yes it does-go to another country and its hard to find the automatic, given rights that kids get in this country-its how you decide to use it that makes the difference
MP's blah-wankers-they robbed us and i didnt even realise it
because they didnt kick shops in
doesnt make it right what they did
still thieves
but without the violence
the kids were wrong to behave like they did
its shameful
apaprently theres a great future in toilets
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
cleanin toilets isnt ever gonna get you on the career path, sprout.
i wouldnt do it, and i appreciate that others that do, do it.
But if that was the only thing that kept a roof over your head?
I'm sorry Syd, Sprout... with the greatest respect... you are obviously convinced that you are right on this... whereas I personally think you are a million miles from reality in terms of the loo cleaning job & its potential job satisfaction & possible prospects...
I think we will have to agree to disagree
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
apaprently theres a great future in toilets
No, I never said that. It's a starting point. We all started somewhere didn't we?
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
CHOICE NUMBER1 - over 10000 apprentice's available-only paying about a ton a week-but better than the dole and you learn a trade-come home feel satisfied that youve achieved something, feel a bit proud
CHOICE NUMBER 2 - rob, sell drugs, turn to crime-join a gang-the moneys a lot better and its easier
ANSWER-idle bastards, no ambition, no future,no idea of the way they are f*cking up the country that serves them so well
choice number 3 - lie thru your teeth and get elected to ,ocal govt. lie a bit more and move on to national politics, lie thru your teeth and get your hand in the till and laugh all the way to the bank.
-- choice number 4 .go for a job in a bank, gamble with other people's money, lose it all, get the very same people to bail you out and pay you a wedge for gettin them in the shit in the first place, laugh all the way to the bank.
choice numer 4 . get to be a journalist, lie thru your teeth, bribe a few politicains and police, hack murder victims phone, lie thru your teeth..
im on about the little shits that broke into shops, ruined peoples lives, opportunist idle bastard thieves
youre on about the other lot
different thread
stop being ridiculous, that isnt the situation in this country and i thank god that it isnt, is that the best we can offer our kids? is that the carrot we hold out to them after 12 years at school, ' be good and you can be a toilet cleaner' it wouldnt motivate me and it wont motivate them stop being naive.
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
I'm sorry Syd, Sprout... with the greatest respect... you are obviously convinced that you are right on this... whereas I personally think you are a million miles from reality in terms of the loo cleaning job & its potential job satisfaction & possible prospects...
I think we will have to agree to disagree
Ditty, I don't think I'm right. I'm just trying to put forward an opinion
Cleaning toilets isnt the best of jobs, i would do it if i were hungry enough or my kids needed fed.
The point really is, that getting up in the morning going to work, whatever it is, gets you into a routine and you can maybe feel part of the community, and have the satisfaction of earning your own money. It would be a start , and its easier to get a another job when you already have one, and future employers can see that you can be reliable and want to better yourself.
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
CHOICE NUMBER1 - over 10000 apprentice's available-only paying about a ton a week-but better than the dole and you learn a trade-come home feel satisfied that youve achieved something, feel a bit proud
CHOICE NUMBER 2 - rob, sell drugs, turn to crime-join a gang-the moneys a lot better and its easier
ANSWER-idle bastards, no ambition, no future,no idea of the way they are f*cking up the country that serves them so well
choice number 3 - lie thru your teeth and get elected to ,ocal govt. lie a bit more and move on to national politics, lie thru your teeth and get your hand in the till and laugh all the way to the bank.
-- choice number 4 .go for a job in a bank, gamble with other people's money, lose it all, get the very same people to bail you out and pay you a wedge for gettin them in the shit in the first place, laugh all the way to the bank.
choice numer 4 . get to be a journalist, lie thru your teeth, bribe a few politicains and police, hack murder victims phone, lie thru your teeth..
im on about the little shits that broke into shops, ruined peoples lives, opportunist idle bastard thieves
youre on about the other lot
different thread
im on about people that theive and think they can get away with it.
looters and mp's same either way to me.
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
cleanin toilets isnt ever gonna get you on the career path, sprout.
i wouldnt do it, and i appreciate that others that do, do it.
But if that was the only thing that kept a roof over your head?
Sprout... if it came to any job being my only option to keep a roof over mine & my childrens head I would do it.. If it was prostitution or my kids being out on the streets & starving I would do it...
thankfully... its never gonna come to that
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
stop being ridiculous, that isnt the situation in this country and i thank god that it isnt, is that the best we can offer our kids? is that the carrot we hold out to them after 12 years at school, ' be good and you can be a toilet cleaner' it wouldnt motivate me and it wont motivate them stop being naive.
Thats pretty much what I was trying to say 
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Cleaning toilets isnt the best of jobs, i would do it if i were hungry enough or my kids needed fed.
The point really is, that getting up in the morning going to work, whatever it is, gets you into a routine and you can maybe feel part of the community, and have the satisfaction of earning your own money. It would be a start , and its easier to get a another job when you already have one, and future employers can see that you can be reliable and want to better yourself.
My thoughts too Sky
*ferrets about for his wallet*
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Syd:
Who would you expect to do the job then?
Don't twist this... I have no idea why someone would do that job.. in fact they have my respect because they can do that job (there are a few jobs I personally feel like that about)..
But that isn't what you were initially saying.... you were using that job in the context of getting unemployed & ambitionless young people into the workplace....
I was saying that technology has taken away many jobs..............and I think that a lot of people in school led towards Media studies, are being led up the yellow brick road..............
If the kids on the streets are complaining they cannot get jobs.............I am saying take a job...(that makes me and the community happy), do it to the best of your ability......and climb the ladder....(with earned money in your pocket)..........
Pam, sorry, but my granddaughter is dyslexic and had no help until she entered mainstream education at the age of 11. Yes, it is the fault of the teachers because a teacher is supposed to teach. If it's down to the parents, lets close all the schools and let parents teach their children.
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
cleanin toilets isnt ever gonna get you on the career path, sprout.
i wouldnt do it, and i appreciate that others that do, do it.
But if that was the only thing that kept a roof over your head?
Sprout... if it came to any job being my only option to keep a roof over mine & my childrens head I would do it.. If it was prostitution or my kids being out on the streets & starving I would do it...
thankfully... its never gonna come to that
So why don't other people think that way too instead of robbing and stealing?
oh lets all go live in the 50's life was so much nicer then....
And our toilets remain.................shitty.............
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Pam, sorry, but my granddaughter is dyslexic and had no help until she entered mainstream education at the age of 11. Yes, it is the fault of the teachers because a teacher is supposed to teach. If it's down to the parents, lets close all the schools and let parents teach their children.
Sorry Col, there are an awful lot of people out there that just don't want to learn!
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
*ferrets about for his wallet*
Oh and ps. I've cleaned people's bottoms and their beds and rooms for next to nothing. It's not nice, but it's ok. Cleaning toilets with a pair of Marigolds is no problem. 
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
cleanin toilets isnt ever gonna get you on the career path, sprout.
i wouldnt do it, and i appreciate that others that do, do it.
But if that was the only thing that kept a roof over your head?
Sprout... if it came to any job being my only option to keep a roof over mine & my childrens head I would do it.. If it was prostitution or my kids being out on the streets & starving I would do it...
thankfully... its never gonna come to that
So why don't other people think that way too instead of robbing and stealing?
ahh spout, if you cant see what is so out of whack with how are society is today then, there really sint any point in discussin it.
*Leaves thread before I say something I'll regret*
got no arguements with no-one
but in my eyes
the little shits did wrong
they have every advantage there, if they choose it, they dont, so
they robbed with violence to get what they wanted
no little f*cker broke into the libary or a book store to rob books to read to better themselves
they broke into electrical stores/phone shops/sports shops to get stuff to sell on or for themselves
they deserve everything thats coming to them and a bit more
and thats all i have to say
i dont 'do' bleeding hearts' or sympathisers
if its wrong its wrong
thats it
thank you if you read my rant
i'm not altogether sure that there are 2250 vacancies in the london area for toilet cleaners...
Sorry Col, there are an awful lot of people out there that just don't want to learn!
The point I am making and have been for a week is, why not. Why don't they want to be part of the community they live in, what makes them different from the youngsters who don't go into gangs, who don't carry a knife or a gun. That is the question, not that they do. 
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
oh lets all go live in the 50's life was so much nicer then....
My mother got down on her hands and knees every morning scrubbing stairs, as a lot of women did then, no for some it wasnt so much nicer then 
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Oh and ps. I've cleaned people's bottoms and their beds and rooms for next to nothing. It's not nice, but it's ok. Cleaning toilets with a pair of Marigolds is no problem.
This is where the pay scale needs to be looked at.............a person looking after me in a care home, need to be paid the same as a person telling me what is happening to Cheryl Cole.....
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Ducky, I know I'm going to get rocks for this, but if I understand rightly you are a teacher. Why do you say 'I was sat here' when that is so wrong, I can't even start. Have teachers just taken on their pupils language? Genuine question, no harm meant.
Sorry Cologne.....this thread is moving fast, I have only just seen this.
I've re-read my post and I can't see what was wrong with putting "I was sat here"?
If it is wrong, then maybe my English isn't perfect..... but I'm the dogs bollocks at Maths
Originally Posted by sprout:
So why don't other people think that way too instead of robbing and stealing?
If any of them were faced with cleaning loos.. or not having a roof over their head, they probably would clean the loos.
If that were the only option they had.. and the other one being robbing & stealing.. well.. thats why they'd choose robbing & stealing.
you didn't give me the robbing & stealing option earlier.. I might have chosen that over the prostitution 
*nicks Jacksons wallet*
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Sorry Col, there are an awful lot of people out there that just don't want to learn!
The point I am making and have been for a week is, why not. Why don't they want to be part of the community they live in, what makes them different from the youngsters who don't go into gangs, who don't carry a knife or a gun. That is the question, not that they do.
Because they wan't it easy and life isn't like that so they take
Originally Posted by Syd:
If the kids on the streets are complaining they cannot get jobs.............I am saying take a job...(that makes me and the community happy), do it to the best of your ability......and climb the ladder....(with earned money in your pocket)..........
and... as I have said.. I totally agree with that.
But don't think the loo cleaning job was the best example