If you break any tenancy agreement either council or private thats the tenants own fault..they have to be responsible for their and their childrens own actions....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2...rth-council-eviction

Does this mean that anyone who's charged with a criminal offence is likely to have their whole family face eviction? 

Don't think it's quite as austeer as that. Kind of depend on the exact details of the crime I think.

Don't agree with throwing them out onto the street... I think just a warning for the parent/guardian where their child might be whilst these events are happening.

What the?!!! 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14513517

Yes if its deemed as anti social cos they are living in social housing..the council have millions of people all over England to house, people of good character, why should they bend over backwards for people who don't give a fig and think that life owes them....

The boy has been charged, but not convicted yet , but the eviction proceedings have started. 

I don't think, had he gone out the weekend before the riots and been involved in and charged with some form of disorder or burglary or whatever, that the family would be facing eviction. 

But there must be shedloads of people who have been convicted of violent crime, theft, etc in the past still holding council tenancies - why weren't they evicted if it's policy ? 

Yep,  I think it's pretty harsh -  there are young people who, for whatever reason, are beyond parental control , and it sounds like several people involved in the rioting  have no history of trouble with the law . It seems heavy handed to make an entire family homeless - and especially to seek to do it before there's a verdict .

I suppose its a case of they have'nt been brought to the forefront but I bet the councils and the quiet tenants are glad of this new ruling to get rid of ones they've been trying to get rid of for years..some councils have to employ ex army private detectives to hide in empty houses to get enough evidence together to get rid of tenants who have made other tenants lives a misery...

If you live a quiet life noone bothers you but the anti social quarter of society....

Carnelian,  i wanna do do and and but I'm too xxx

So if they are beyond parental control how will a warning help?....

That was a long-winded way of saying I think it's because of the events rather than the offence ! !

It could also be a case of the straw that broke the camels back..we don't know if the family had had other warnings....

How will making an entire family homeless help ?  If there's a history of antisocial behaviour , then I can kind of see that proceedings might be started, but it sounds like they;re talking of a blanket  policy - if you've been involved and charged, eviction will be sought. 

Just  saw this :

. David Camerongave his backing to the move. "I think for too long we have taken too soft an attitude to people who loot and pillage their own community. If you do that you should lose your right to housing at a subsidised rate," he said.

He dismissed the idea that the move might be counterproductive and create deeper poverty for those affected. "Obviously that will mean they will have to be housed somewhere else and they will have to find housing in the private sector and that will be tougher for them. But they should have thought about that before they started burgling," he said. "In some cases, it may help break up the criminal networks in some housing estates if some of these people are thrown out of their houses and I think quite right, too."

Wandsworth council's leader, Ravi Govindia, said that, in signing a tenancy agreement, tenants had agreed not to take part in activities that could jeopardise their housing. The council felt it had the power to terminate the agreement against the tenant, despite the fact that she was not involved in the riots and her son has only been charged, not been convicted.

"The mother can challenge the notice-seeking process," he said. "The tenancy agreement does not just apply to the mother but the entire household."

He said she would be deemed to have made herself deliberately homeless. "Then our obligation would be at an end. She signed the contract in which she and her household would agree the terms of the contract."

Govindia said he hoped the move would dissuade others from taking part in civil unrest. "People in society do know what lines they should not cross, and if you ignore the fact they have crossed the line it only encourages people to cross the line regularly," he said.

Gawd knows Slinki, I think the press are making more out of this than there is..tenants will be taken to court for eviction..most don't turn up cos they think they know better, where they can take a legal aid lawyer with them to plead their case..it cost the councils alot of money to get rid of bad tenants, when there's good tentants waiting in homelss shelters for housing....

Did anyone watch this?  Astounding 

Exactly..thats how its always been but councils can't afford to get rid of bad tenants on their budget..

Nutjobs... can't believe the press and these idiots even bother debating this, one riot starts and young people jump on the bandwagon. Theres nothing to talk about. Even more ridiculous that they make this all about black or white culture... it's about youth culture.

But then the press will wheel out a few 30/40+year olds, its about easy gain..there were all walks of life in the looting....

i think he was refering to enoch powels' rivers of blood' speech and saying enoch got it wrong, it's not the blacks  that  will cause the riots but the culture of  black gangs and in that sense  the whites have adopted the black gang culture, and there fore the' whites have become the blacks' of enoch powells  speech

and david cameron is gettin right on my nerves, the pompous ,pointless twat, ' evict the families of  kids CHARGED not yet convicted of looting and we know if that takes off it's going to cost you and me lots of money  and 'these people will have to move into the private sector for housing' well that's just great you pillock, we will then be paying even more in rent subsidies to house them, and house them we will because it's a duty of local govt. to do so.

and while i'm at it...

jim devine serves 4 months of a 16 month sentence for stealing £8000 from you and me' because he could', he's  by many standard a rich enough bloke who had no need to steal, but he did it anyways.

 and then we get the whipped up outrage of cameron  and his bunch of useless tossers, bleating on about  kids knicking shoes and he is going not only evict them and their families from their homes, but give them comparatively long sentences as a warnin  to others.

tell you what dave, how about you set your own house in order first and stop the middle classed greedy  bastards  from  pilfering millions from us, including  your buddies the bankers, who caused  the recession in the first place, and they who we are meant to look up to  as pillars of society, you  are all  dodgy and in it for what you can get, but let anyone in a 'lower' class think they can  do the same, then it's a call to arms for middle england.

Maybe they have to start the proceedings this early so that everything's in place  so that they can evict as soon as a person is found guilty. If they are not found guilty, then the eviction notice would not be served....sort of idea.

Oh that! I had a quick look but didn't pursue it. It seemed like a lot of posturing for effect to me....and I usually quite like David Starkey.

Edit: But I get what Jensen's saying about it. So maybe it's not as bad as it first seemed.

Ha!

Philadelphia's authorities have ordered a weekend evening curfew for under-18 years old in an effort deter teenagers from wreaking havoc in so-called flash mobs.

As Britain looks to America for answers to the rioting that has rocked England over the last week, the BBC's Laura Trevelyan visits Philadelphia to see how its new measures will work.

The phenomenon known as flash mobbing, where groups of teenagers gather after alerting one another via mobile phone, Twitter and Facebook and rampage through the town centre, has frightened residents and alarmed Philadelphia's city government.

While the scenes haven't been as violent or as sustained as those in urban England in recent days, crowds of teenagers have beaten and robbed people and shops have been damaged.

Last Friday 7 August saw yet more trouble in the City of Brotherly Love

and now it's dave the defender, who wants to control social networking sites so  kids can't  arrange mob rule.

well i think thats what  gaddafi and the ohter arab despots wanted to  do to stop the arab uprisings.

andother great idea dave...

wtf  elected this bloke?

innit! 

(that is all I can manage to say..    cos anything else is a bit on the sweary side)

"

Mr Bratton, who also previously headed Los Angeles police, told US broadcaster ABC that while arrest was appropriate for the most violent, the issue was one for society as a whole.

"You can't arrest your way out of the problem," he said.

"Arrest is certainly appropriate for the most violent, the incorrigible, but so much of it can be addressed in other ways and it's not just a police issue, it is in fact a societal issue."

God....where does he get off?!!!!

Does he really think that we are ALL sitting here saying 'Arrest them all and everything will be OK.'

"The teenager, who promised never to accept a Facebook invitation to a riot again, told the judge: "To be honest, it's the worst, stupidest thing I have ever done." "

Kind of emphasises any suspicion that social networking was being used to incite and organise these things.

BLOCKED Mobile phone signals were blocked to four subway stations in San Francisco yesterday in an attempt to hinder a protest against a police shooting. The protest, due to take place on BART station platforms, was in response to the shooting dead of  man by BART police. The demonstration was planned to be coordinated using mobile devices.

I was reading this this morning..could you imagine the outcry if the English Police did this during the riots..

Don't know Stonks. There's a lot of feeling either way about things to do with the rioting just now.

Slightly of topic...... but also kinda not.....

From the BBC....

Chancellor George Osborne has asked the Inland Revenue to check whether the 50p top rate of income tax is actually making money for the government.

Some economists have claimed that tax avoidance and evasion mean the rate is raising less income than expected.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Osborne hinted that the 50p rate remained under review.

He added: "There's not much point in having taxes that are very economically inefficient."

So..... no coming down hard on the tax evaders then? No examples made, just a shrug of the shoulders and blind eye turned.

precisely ducky, it's good to be greedy and not give a shit for who it hurts if you have a  mortgage and a new car, after all that's the plan to get us out of recession, it's feckin laughable, but let the great unwashed grab stuff for themselves and not give a shit for who gets hurt in the process and it's the very same  people that are on the fiddle  and costing us millions who race to man the barricades.

jacksonb  to all your posts on here.

Jacksonb and Carnelian. 

Just saw an interview with about half a dozen of these grubby little chavs on sky news, with their faces hidden of course.  One who was 16, claimed he was nicking stuff for his kid   And him AND the others had no remorse whatsoever for what they have done.  It was literally like the country owes them a living, and like THEY were the only ones who have had a rough time lately.  And NOBODY else has suffered, and obviously anyone with a job is loaded.!!!

The interviewer said 'what about these people who have worked hard for many years to build up their businesses?' and they said 'well they got loads don't they?  And we got nuffink, so we are entitled....'  And one said he went for several job interviews last year for 3 of these companies and they turned him down, so it's 'payback like innit?'  They admitted to taking as much as they could and that it was NOTHING to do with the killing of that Duggan chap.  They basically said that they looted and took whatever they could because they can't get a job and they 'ain't got nuffink,' and they seemed to have little comprehension of how wrong what they have been doing really is...

They seem to have no idea that people who do have 'loadsa stuff' have actually WORKED for it, and worked hard for it, and HAVE HAD times when they have fallen on hard times, and had to live hand to mouth..

I have never seen such a pathetic bunch of sorry little pricks.  And unforunately there are 100s of 1000s of them with the same attitude.  Acting the victim, and acting like nobody in the world is worse off than them.  Funny how the little f**kers can always find money for drugs though!

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