Well, indeed. 

I know the thread, and events, have moved on, but it will be interesting to see what the full facts are in this case.

Maybe the officer who fired was in fear for his life, if the gun was pulled on him, but they must have known that he hadn't fired and who leaked the information that an officer had been shot at?

As seems to happen too often, it stinks. 

Filth! 

We can't all have taste, Supes! 

Just seen that video of the riot police in Manchester... looked alot like Jutlands street. Seen that area before.

I can't post it as the youtube video in question has been made private but you can bet there would be uproar if it got out... "police brutality" if you would like to call it that.

What happened was an empty street, riot police were just coming up the road and some people (looked very young) were on their bikes coming up to a junction to turn left, the police met them in time and whacked a few off their bikes with the batons.. a few got away.

However, here is where it all kicks in...

One was already on the ground and the police kicked him. The other police hits one with his baton twice when he's already on the ground.

I understand hitting him while he's on the bike... by all means, do what you have to do to stop them. But whilst they are on the ground I don't agree with. Not unless they were really putting up a fight on the floor.

It's working now

Yeah. Heard in areas people as ol;d as 47 have been seen amongst the rioters and looters!

Really! You can see the individual labels and footwear from mostly night time TV footage? I seriously doubt that!  Relative expensive clothing tells you virtually nothing about poverty.  Kids (or their parents) buy labels, because kids have few other expenses.  A pair of expensive trainers is £100+ a house is £100,000+. Footwear is a realisable aspiration for the poor kids with no prospects, a home or career simply isn't!   Footwear is such an irrelevance that it's impossible to make any worthwhile judgements based on what shoes kids wear.

The fact remains there are still few jobs and those jobs are low paid with little or no prospect of breaking out of poverty.  What they're doing, in their nihilistic way, is taking advantage of a situation to get things. Of course it's selfish and yobbish, but the writing was on the wall.  Who said 'there's no such thing as society'?  Thatcher, who's policies have both Tory and Labour governments largely followed!  Thatcherite policies.  The chickens have come home to roost, this was totally predictable.

No, we aren't the only country facing cutbacks, but then neither are we the only country having riots. 

5 Police stations and a college attacked in Nottingham last night, 100 people arrested  i could hear the helicoptor all night 

the  arab world used  social networking to fight for freedom from oppression andto have  democracy

the brits used it to to get a new 42'' telly and some shoes......

jue i went shopping at Bulwell yesterday at about 3

but all i could see was people running around trying to shut shops early it was unreal

I've got too go today, i'm going too check first though as Bulwell Police Station was one of them that was set on fire last night 

I've been out defending our High Street. I can now confirm that not one charity shop, poondshop, or betting shop has been attacked.

I'm just watching the ticker along the bottom of the BBC news site at work about the riots. Does that mean Cam has granted use of water cannon?

Yep, they are to be available at 24 hour notice.

Let's hope that the young offenders are prepared to stay in the same place for 24 hours.

Finally we might be getting somewhere! Thanks Meaty. I've got no speakers at work so can't hear any sound

Bit late if you ask me to be honest... I recon most of the damage has been done, can't see it being as bad as Sunday/Monday.

Yeah, maybe down the bottom half. It might make it's way up here though.

Supes, I didn't see anyone advocating beating children.

IMO, children need discipline, boundaries and limitations as much as they do love and care. They need to understand that there are consequences for bad behaviour, and serious consequences for seriously bad behaviour - as well as rewards for good behaviour. Without discipline and guidance their moral compasses become skewed and we end up with feral children.

In amongst the despair, look hard enough and there's always something to make you ROFL.....

Libyan foreign ministry spokesman Khalid Ka'im has called on world governments to take action over the unrest in the UK. David Cameron has lost legitimacy and "must go", Libya's official news agency Jana reports. Libya "demands that the international community not stand with arms folded in the face of this gross aggression against the rights of the British people, who are demanding its right to rule its country", the report said.

LOL Ducky     I'm just also reading that the first one in court this morning was 31 year old teacher who raided a Richer Sounds store in Croydon.  

They never have a clue whats going on the Libyan Gove.

Just last year when we had the protest for cuts, they claimed it was a protest about the UK taking action to interfere with Libya. They really are idiots, theres a difference between fighting against a dictator and robbing little sh*ts running loose.

Perhaps if Cameron & the government were actually in the country at the weekend doing their job, water cannons may of already been here by Monday and the police will of found the riots easier to control.

Instead, they all buggered off on Holiday and left no one in charge...

Here we go

1142: Northumbria Police

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...chester-looting.html

Good to see Telegraph picked up on it... on a youtube video you could see Dominic Noonan (gangster living in Manchester) on the streets as the riots went on, not sure police can do much as he was just there at the time.

We don't get paid much.

It's crazy isn't Sprout! It's part of the reason I object to people lumping all the rioters into the category "yoofs".....the category "greedy bastards" would be much more accurate.

I think you'll find that is 'thieving greedy bastards'

Yeah, I guess I have to admit to lumping people into the same category last night.

I've just gone for 'thieving scum' - that covers them all

But you can have discipline, boundaries and limitations without smacking, or corporal punishment, Yogi. That's the point.

I was brought up with smacking (and plenty of it). My parents were very strict and both could lose their tempers quite easily. And yet, I can clearly remember repeating the behaviour that had brought on the smacking, over and over again. I don't think it made me better behaved, but I do think it made me more likely to hit out at others, leading to a cycle of violence. 

I was very much of the 'it never did me any harm' school of thinking and did use smacking with my first two kids. Having seen my SIL, who was never smacked, disciplining her kids in a non violent way, however, I made a decision to stop. Her kids were actually a lot better behaved than mine. Maybe they were just better kids, but my smacking certainly wasn't doing any good, and I finally thought about why I was doing it, thought about friends of mine at school, who were never smacked and didn't lash out at others, and I didn't want my kids to grow up repeating my behaviour.

Countries which have brought in anti-smacking legislation (and I think there are about 12 European countries which have) do not have problems with disciplining their kids.

Human beings have used violence since we first walked the earth and the one thing we should have learnt by now, is that using our brains causes less problems in the long term. 

ok as far as the clothes go there are close ups I see the nike tick etc.. but forget all that, yesterday I was so bluddy angry at the behaviour I lost all sense of reasoning and vented without thinking beyond my anger..cos am sitting here with a long list of things I would love to have and know I will never get but am not out there helping myself just because my situation is not that brilliant.. .. 

I understand all the socio economic problems that face some, not all, of these yoofs.. but by the same token systematically over the last 10-15 yrs or more a lot of the older generation have no hope for the future when they are made redundant from jobs by company's large and small, not just the public sector, downsizing and they are no longer employable cos they are too old or over qualified. .they may have been lucky and worked hard for a good few yrs and got themselves houses etc but then they lose all that when they lose their jobs and cannot maintain their commitments cos stacking shelves at B&Q doesn't quite pay the same..  but do we see them rioting on the streets thinking the world owes them a living ? No we don't, they re-adjust, downsize themselves and make do with their new situation as best they can. ., i know I have over the yrs and know others that have too..

these kids can get themselves to school and learn and make it so they are more of an employable prospect. .that's if their parents made sure they stuck to their studies.. .again I go back to discipline and the home.. . it's where it all starts.. 

yes the jobs are few and far between atm and for ALL ages but of those available some won't even consider them because they were not taught the very basics that you don't go into a job as a young un and earn the top salary you start at the bottom do as your told, work hard and you earn your salary increases .. so you may not be able to afford all the stuff you want or previously got given to you while living at home, you make do and get that stuff when you can or do without as everybody else does.. .

I may be being a bit simplistic here. .there are other problems that need sorting and no easy answers.. what is needed is a re-educating of people who live in this greedy, I want, I deserve I am owed,  I will take it if I want it society first.. and maybe some of the other stuff will get sorted along the way as attitudes and mindsets change..

I am not very good at expressing my self well nor very knowledgeable about many things so am sure all I have said will have much better arguments against.... am just speaking how I feel and without bringing Politics into it cos I think it is down to us as people and not Politicians to sort out what is happening at grass roots level..  and by that I again go back to discipline and teaching self worth, regardless of how rich or poor you are, self belief  and good values all of  which should begin at home and once those basic things are taught a lot of the other things will fall into place..  [arggh I know what I mean but can't think how to put it ]

I wish I knew the solution to it all. .I think there is more than one needed to solve everything. .but somebody has to start somewhere and for me it starts in the home.  the people setting the good examples should first and foremost be the parents.. .

so again I waffled but today no ranting..

 *goes to lie down with soothing towel on head.. *

We don't get paid much.

Oooh!   Look at me!  doing a part-zebra post from work!

oh shit that is HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDIT ..my post not Ditty's

bleeding stoopid squished up columns makes it look longer than it really is.. 

actually just scrolled up again. .it really is HUGE never mind the squished uppiness..

I'll get me coat am embarrassed at my wordy, yet probably not saying much,  lengthy and probably badly thought out waffle

*maybe I should delete it..

Which means they are still in the north but Cameron is trying to blag the public....

oh shit that is HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDIT ..my post not Ditty's

Ok... why is my work pooter posting like a zebra?

"Selfish thieving greedy bastards"

Well, there you go.

Will those kids grow up 'respecting' the police? 

I wonder if they'd actually done anything wrong, or maybe riding bikes is illegal now? 

Brilliant post Olly!

Donn't you ninja me! My TV is four foot deep! No flat screen for me. 

Go back to work you.