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Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Syd:
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
we have absolutely no idea what parenting experiences these people responsible for such abhorrent behaviour have had

They are obviously not afraid of their parents/families reactions of Disgust, Shame, Embarrassment, Disappointment..

The parents were probably the same, as far as I am concerned this is the second generation of dont give a sh*,t poor us mentality.  They dont want to work,they want everything from the state.Now if they dont get it ,they take it.

Been on the news tonight.......parents and kids in it together 

Not shocked Sprout.
An apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Xactly

Kaytee
Originally Posted by Kaytee:
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

Anyone see the Sikhs from Southall? Looks like they mean business... don't think its a wise idea though.

Is it kicking off there?

No idea, looked like there were hundreds of them outside... apparently they were to stay there to protect the temple.

 

 

No idea why there is a little girl there

MrMincePie
Originally Posted by erinp:
 

The parents were probably the same, as far as I am concerned this is the second generation of dont give a sh*,t poor us mentality.  They dont want to work,they want everything from the state.Now if they dont get it ,they take it.

Maybees?  I'm sure that's likely to be true of some of them and likely not true of others...and, some will have absolutely no respect for the police/ 'law and order'....and some of those because of the institutional racism exposed therewithin, when they were young people and we had the 80s riots....... I'm really not being deliberately argumentative here, just think that some of the analysis on here of what is happening is a tad over simplistic

FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by erinp:
 

The parents were probably the same, as far as I am concerned this is the second generation of dont give a sh*,t poor us mentality.  They dont want to work,they want everything from the state.Now if they dont get it ,they take it.

Maybees?  I'm sure that's likely to be true of some of them and likely not true of others...and, some will have absolutely no respect for the police/ 'law and order'....and some of those because of the institutional racism exposed therewithin, when they were young people and we had the 80s riots....... I'm really not being deliberately argumentative here, just think that some of the analysis on here of what is happening is a tad over simplistic

Super, I deffinately (sp) think there's been a multi generational breakdown somewhere. It's time to put it right and get some discipline back to some people 

FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by erinp:
 

The parents were probably the same, as far as I am concerned this is the second generation of dont give a sh*,t poor us mentality.  They dont want to work,they want everything from the state.Now if they dont get it ,they take it.

Maybees?  I'm sure that's likely to be true of some of them and likely not true of others...and, some will have absolutely no respect for the police/ 'law and order'....and some of those because of the institutional racism exposed therewithin, when they were young people and we had the 80s riots....... I'm really not being deliberately argumentative here, just think that some of the analysis on here of what is happening is a tad over simplistic

And the longer this goes on the "Race" card will again take over and raise its ugly head.....

Syd
Originally Posted by erinp:

Rumours on another site that water cannon are being brought over from Belfast,hope its true.

2152: Reports of water cannon leaving Northern Ireland and the Guardian’s front page for tomorrow reports that plastic bullets have been authorised for use on the UK mainland by David Cameron.

(west londoner )
FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by erinp:

Rumours on another site that water cannon are being brought over from Belfast,hope its true.

2152: Reports of water cannon leaving Northern Ireland and the Guardian’s front page for tomorrow reports that plastic bullets have been authorised for use on the UK mainland by David Cameron.

(west londoner )

I'd love to think it was true, but I'll believe it when I actually see it working 

FM
Originally Posted by sprout:
 

Super, I deffinately (sp) think there's been a multi generational breakdown somewhere. It's time to put it right and get some discipline back to some people 

Sprouty, I don't disagree, some of this, I'm sure, is about parenting/disrespect for others, but tbh I'm getting increasingly p'd off that the thrust of the media and on here is laying the blame totally on that....I really can't accept that it's that simplistic

FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by sprout:
 

Super, I deffinately (sp) think there's been a multi generational breakdown somewhere. It's time to put it right and get some discipline back to some people 

Sprouty, I don't disagree, some of this, I'm sure, is about parenting/disrespect for others, but tbh I'm getting increasingly p'd off that the thrust of the media and on here is laying the blame totally on that....I really can't accept that it's really that simplistic

Ok, well, if you've posted anywhere else that I might have missed possibly, what would you put the rest of it down to?  

FM
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:
Originally Posted by Kaytee:
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:

Anyone see the Sikhs from Southall? Looks like they mean business... don't think its a wise idea though.

Is it kicking off there?

No idea, looked like there were hundreds of them outside... apparently they were to stay there to protect the temple.

 

 

No idea why there is a little girl there

I can understand that.....no I cannot see why that child should be there either

Kaytee
Originally Posted by Kaytee:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

They just interviewed a rioter on Sky News.

 

He sounded like the most uneducated person that I've ever heard.

 

"Why are you doing this?"


"To piss the police off innit!"


"Why do you want to anger the police?"


"I dunno".


Why do they interview these morons

Maybe it's to get a reaction from us public. A bit like the newspapers recently 

FM
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

Those charged today came from all walks of life, including a graphics designer, a undergraduate and a guy that's signed up for the army....  It's not all uneducated, unemployed thugs. 

That is another thing that has been made into an art form in the world...........bigging up the sound of your job, qualifications........CV is taught as a lesson now...........

Syd
Originally Posted by sprout:
 

Ok, well, if you've posted anywhere else that I might have missed possibly, what would you put the rest of it down to?  

Sprouty, I'm struck by the no.of yp who have absolutely no 'previous' having become involved in this. So, why??? Leaving out those who are just jumping on the bandwagon/being opportunistic etc.... The socio-economic situation; a sense of hopelessness/helplessness; targeting of black youth by the police;  disrespect for those who they are 'supposed to respect, (look for e.g. at how many v snr. police officers have been suspended/ convicted of crimes in the last couple of weeks alone, not to mention the 'white collar' crimes of our politicians); assumption peddled in the media that just about every yp is inherently bad; removal of funding for youth projects etc. etc. etc.

FM

Good footage here, a few should be soon collared...

 

http://www.channel4.com/news/r...-manchester-midlands

 

 

Also, Live on Sky now they just shown a few trying to break into a jewellers... reporter had to move quick as a group of masked men near them.

 

 

Supposed to be a large group of masked men walking up Gt Bridgewater street heading towards Deansgate locks. May of been those that the reporter had seen, sounds like he really was sh*tting himself.

MrMincePie
Originally Posted by sprout:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

Those charged today came from all walks of life, including a graphics designer, a undergraduate and a guy that's signed up for the army....  It's not all uneducated, unemployed thugs. 

So....what's their excuse/reason then? 

 

 

I don't know the answer Pam. but we had the same in the 80's and the politicians and media today say it's a different scenario 

Dame_Ann_Average

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