Edited to add it that's sort of namby pamby liberal attitude that stopped corporal punishment in schools all those yrs ago and then it went into family's with people who said twasn't ok to slap a norty child .. over the yrs that has now left us with a section of Society thatexpect respect but give none and don't understand the order of things ie respect your elders, your boss etc.. and they don't understand that they can't all be top dog yet feel they have the right to be. . we have an I want, I deserve but am not prepared to even try to make it for myself society ..
gawd I am in a right ranty mood. .I better stop posting cos can't formulate my arguments properly as am so incensed with it all 
Couldn't agree more 
I pay no heed to things like that. If mine deserve a skelp they get one.
I have never smacked my boys. I couldn't bring myself to - live with myself after it - nor did it feel like the appropriate action for any of their misdemeanours. I am all for tough discipline at home, in schools and within the law but I don't agree 100% with the correlation between this type of yobbish behaviour and smacking our children as a form of correction because I know, absolutely, that my sons would NEVER be part of the lawless criminality I have seen in news reports.
I wasn't advocating going out and lumping kids left right and centre but more using it as part of the overall discipline, not beatings, side of things. .yrs ago just the fear of getting the cane at school kept most of us in line. .those it didn't were hard nut cases anyway and nowt would work for them ..most ended up in borstal .
Knowing I'd get a clip around the ear from my mother if I misbehaved also made me stop and think a lot more before doing anything naughty. .being grounded or put on a naughty step would have no effect on me ..I liked reading so would be just as happy to stay in with a good book doing my time.. but I was not so keen on a sharp slap tho.. . .if I still chose to carry on then I deserved my slap..
the current way of thinking now is just too fluffy and doesn't work.. all this respect for kids crap. .no sorry. .they do as we all did and start at the bottom of the respect ladder and work their way up earning their right to be respected as they show they can respect others around them, they don't get it first. .
crikey I am sounding like a right ol harridan today am just sick of it all and the apologists trying to work out/explain away why all this is happening. .it's because the kids know they can do it and not suffer any real consequence that would bother them much is why it is happening.. . 
And do you - from my post - regard me as an apologist? 
the police will be at the match so the trouble makers will have free reign 
] I am on benefits and am sooo grateful for the help I have received and still receive courtesy of the tax payers since I was no longer able to work.. as I am sure the majority of those receiving benefits all the yrs I was working and paying tax were grateful for the help too.. .there is a lot of stuff I'd love to have but know I cannot have and probably never will but I ain't gonna go rob anyone just cos others have what I don't.. 
My old workplace! 
