Thankyou both Rexi And Veggie, but not sure I can let the second part of your post happen Veggie.

*unlikes Pam*

I have never smacked my boys. I couldn't bring myself to - live with myself after it - nor did it feel like the appropriate action for any of their misdemeanours. I am all for tough discipline at home, in schools and within the law but I don't agree 100% with the correlation between this type of yobbish behaviour and smacking our children as a form of correction because I know, absolutely, that my sons would NEVER  be part of the lawless criminality I have seen in news reports.

Restaurant Owner on Sky News talking alot of sense...

I wonder what Films/Games/Music the Daily Mail will blame this all on?

Got any suggestions??

Glee 3D?

Swagger Jagger getting to No 1?

Looks like the looters have decided to "get some of their own" 

I haven't heard it yet

Long may this continue ... and don't waste your time posting a tubey link here coz I won't click it 

Oh Roxanian,

Its because all the tweeny girls will think that when one of those blokes points at the screen, they will think he is pointing straight at them 

One of the shopping centres near me in Nottingham has been told to shut down, as kids are starting too gather, my sister in law works in the bank there 

Aimee, i was in Plymouth City Center today, getting my haircut in Tony and Guy (don't judge me ), and the police came in and said they may have to close early because of potential trouble.  Apparently they're starting at a Pound Land , I shouldn't laugh but it sounds typical of our local chavs.

But now they're are helicopters flying around, its madness.

 I am sure the banks will close too then Aimee

The Queen's tooled up ready to go get her plasma

(Joking aside, I bet she's holding one of these for real ready to defend her palace )

I wasn't advocating going out and lumping kids left right and centre but more using it as part of the overall discipline, not beatings, side of things. .yrs ago just the fear of getting the cane  at school kept most of us in line. .those it didn't were hard nut cases anyway and nowt would work for them ..most ended up in borstal .

Knowing I'd get a clip around the ear from my mother if I misbehaved also made me stop and think a lot more before doing anything naughty. .being grounded or put on a naughty step would have no effect on me ..I liked reading  so would be just as happy to stay in with a good book doing my time.. but I was not so keen on a sharp slap tho.. . .if I still chose to carry on then I deserved my slap..

the current way of thinking now is just too fluffy and doesn't work.. all this respect for kids crap. .no sorry. .they do as we all did and start at the bottom of the respect ladder and work their way up earning their right to be respected as they show they can respect others around them,  they don't get it first. .

crikey I am sounding like a right ol harridan today am just sick of it all and the apologists trying to work out/explain away why all this is happening. .it's because the kids know they can do it and not suffer any real consequence that would bother them much is why it is happening.. . 

I'm sure she's more a double barrel shotgun type lady 

Who in their right minds would want to see this face in 3D?

Yep. They were.

Everything ok over your side Cags?

I really think the government need to introduce the Battle Royale Act! 

IMO opinion part of the reason for their behaviour is they've never had to work for anything. Never had to save to buy something they really want so have no respect for anyone elses property. I see what you mean Trigger but I'm not talking about beating my kids. They get warnings and if they ignore them and carry on regardless they get a skelp. They do learn from it. They also don't get anything for nothing. Whether it's doing chores or just keeping their own rooms tidy. They earn what they get and they end up taking care of whatever it is they buy. All kids are different though and smacking some does nothing to stop them misbehaving. That's why it gets right on my tits that the government can put a blanket rule in place....like it's that easy.

I'm not saying every person involved in these riots have come from bad backgrounds....I'm not that naive....but...we as parents should have more rights over how we treat our own kids. Like Olly says....respect is earned and they have to start at the bottom....just as we probably did as kids. 

Yep fine here. Kids are a bit worried but they're indoors and staying here until everything settles. How about you? 

Not sure how things will be here yet, was told earlier there was talk of something happening over this way so just keeping my eyes and ears open. It's bloody horrible for adults let alone how it's scaring the kids :s Stay safe mate xxx

Trouble in West Bromich right now.

Looks like they're early starters in West Bromwich - several shops have been smashed already 

Stop posting my news before I do - get back over there or I'll find another use for that gold tie  

its a disgrace innit!

youre from that way arent you pengy..or have i got you mixed up with someone else?

It's all kicking off in Salford now aswell.

No - I'm North Birmingham  - Erdington. Lots of rumours that the High Street here and Star City (which I can see if I poke my head out of my bedroom window) had gone up last night but those proved to be false stories.  Although if it kicks off in Aston/Perry Barr then that isn't all that far away 

yeah-came through aston earlier-very moody there

footlocker in one-stop perry barr had their windows put through last night,im just up the road in great barr now

we keep hearing sirens..but that could be for anything i suppose

It's always moody in Aston    O/T  do you get the Evening Mail?  Can't get a copy tonight 

yeah-i get mine at about 9am!

loadsa pics of town last night

can't find one any where round here 

Hope that Pink Babe is ok, she's a West Brom girl.

And Pirate and the Brummies here.

Everyone stay safe

Tbh, I'm a bit worried about vigilantism tonight. They've just said on the BBC news about a father and son who have acquired 6 dogs to help protect their business, and whilst Boris holding his broom aloft will make great front pages tomorrow it does kind of say that you are on your own and have to look after yourself.

I'm not decrying that - jeez if they ever tried attacking my house and family I would fight with my last breath ... but I am worried that people will get badly hurt tonight

i agree with you

Town centre has now been shut down and shops are boarding all their windows. just can't see where this is going too end

I was thinking the same myself ........it'll be like civil war. I do think people will go all out to protect themselves - my sister hasn't gone home tonight (Meadway) her husband is away so she's gone straight from work to her daughters house - it's bad when it get likes that.