pirate1111 posted:

youre right-it was Blair but it was Blair who introduced New Labour ie tory lite..its telling that thatcher once said that her greatest achievment was tony blair

this time corbyn isnt playing by tonys rules-he actually wants to make it fair for us all

and that'll do for me

 

as for his IRA connections, which dont exsist-tory councillor for croydon, maria gatland was an actual active member of the IRA way back..tories welcomed her with open arms

Marie Gatland was McGuire...

O’Connell took her to the Continent on an abortive mission to buy modern arms to replace old equipment. The old stuff would malfunction during gun battles, which she said was ‘particularly annoying for the really good snipers’. Their travels took them to Zurich, Brussels, Amsterdam and Paris, but they constantly felt they were being followed. In France, McGuire wrote: ‘At one period I thought seriously about using my gun on one of our shadows’.

Rexi posted:

I have a friend who has made the decision, with her brother, that their mother is capable of living on her own, with a 'friend' (paid carer, although the mother doesn't know it) popping in twice a day. The mother hasn't showered in months, the house is filthy ... the mother has full blown dementia.

 

At the moment , if they put her into a home they only get to keep £24,000, she is quite excited that it could go up to £100,000, and if the tories get in she may well consider putting her mother in a home.

 

So, she thinks she will be quids in ... me, I don't care what party is in ... how could you treat your loved ones like that? 

awful Rexi and you will see a lot more of this I'm afraid. 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Rexi posted:

I have a friend who has made the decision, with her brother, that their mother is capable of living on her own, with a 'friend' (paid carer, although the mother doesn't know it) popping in twice a day. The mother hasn't showered in months, the house is filthy ... the mother has full blown dementia.

 

At the moment , if they put her into a home they only get to keep £24,000, she is quite excited that it could go up to £100,000, and if the tories get in she may well consider putting her mother in a home.

 

So, she thinks she will be quids in ... me, I don't care what party is in ... how could you treat your loved ones like that? 

 

awful Rexi and you will see a lot more of this I'm afraid. 

Awww, I've seen it loads already. For me it is not political fodder, it is a moral issue. My friend might well consider getting the care her mother deserves if the tories get in, because she can ring fence more of her mother's money than she can now.  It's her mother's money ... 

Rexi posted:

Awww, I've seen it loads already. For me it is not political fodder, it is a moral issue. My friend might well consider getting the care her mother deserves if the tories get in, because she can ring fence more of her mother's money than she can now.  It's her mother's money ... 

 

 

It shouldn't be Rexi. It really needs to be discussed though now it's been brought up in the election, this is a dangerous policy in my opinion. 

It's really worrying that people sitting in houses over 100,000 and may have no savings are going to be left to the decisions of their families on the level of care they receive. I'm sure a lot more vulnerable people are going to suffer because of this. 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Rexi posted:

Awww, I've seen it loads already. For me it is not political fodder, it is a moral issue. My friend might well consider getting the care her mother deserves if the tories get in, because she can ring fence more of her mother's money than she can now.  It's her mother's money ... 

 

 

 

It shouldn't be Rexi. It really needs to be discussed though now it's been brought up in the election, this is a dangerous policy in my opinion. 

 

It's really worrying that people sitting in houses over 100,000 and may have no savings are going to be left to the decisions of their families on the level of care they receive. I'm sure a lot more vulnerable people are going to suffer because of this. 

But what can be done? At the moment my friend won't get her mother the care she needs because she (mother) will need to sell her own house and pay for her own care until she is down to her last 24k, which leaves very little for her daughter and her brother to inherit. Under the new tory manifesto they could inherit their share of 100k.

My point is, regardless of politics, because they don't really enter into this scenario, isn't this just plain bad of my friend and her brother?

Rexi posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Rexi posted:

Awww, I've seen it loads already. For me it is not political fodder, it is a moral issue. My friend might well consider getting the care her mother deserves if the tories get in, because she can ring fence more of her mother's money than she can now.  It's her mother's money ... 

 

 

 

It shouldn't be Rexi. It really needs to be discussed though now it's been brought up in the election, this is a dangerous policy in my opinion. 

 

It's really worrying that people sitting in houses over 100,000 and may have no savings are going to be left to the decisions of their families on the level of care they receive. I'm sure a lot more vulnerable people are going to suffer because of this. 

But what can be done? At the moment my friend won't get her mother the care she needs because she (mother) will need to sell her own house and pay for her own care until she is down to her last 24k, which leaves very little for her daughter and her brother to inherit. Under the new tory manifesto they could inherit their share of 100k.

 

My point is, regardless of politics, because they don't really enter into this scenario, isn't this just plain bad of my friend and her brother?

I totally agree Rexi ....that's just plain mercenary !! 

Rexi posted:

But what can be done? At the moment my friend won't get her mother the care she needs because she (mother) will need to sell her own house and pay for her own care until she is down to her last 24k, which leaves very little for her daughter and her brother to inherit. Under the new tory manifesto they could inherit their share of 100k.

 

My point is, regardless of politics, because they don't really enter into this scenario, isn't this just plain bad of my friend and her brother?

it's disgusting Rexi and sadly not rare...she should be thoroughly ashamed of herself  

I've had to come back late to post this from my friend and councillor or I will forget 

and the wheels have just fell off....she had the audacity to say Corbyn's a liar and trying to scare the elderly and vulnerable... I'm not sure this woman is of sane mind 

Tories are going after Corbyn and some ancient history because there's grumbling etc from the benches and their supporters.I loathe the Tories with a passion ..bedroom tax anyone.! I'm caught in that because I live alone in two bed house.I have a work pension and get some housing benefit,about one third of the rent.The bedroom tax halved that.Fortunately the last couple of years I've received discretionary payments to make up the shortfall.If not I would be living on £60 a week,even thought the govt state you need £73.10 to live on.Always remember that bastard I.D.S laughing and slapping his thigh when it was passed in the commons.

Oh and I won't get state pension until I'm 66 like millions of women born in the 1950s.Tories raised the age.

kattymieoww posted:

Oh and I won't get state pension until I'm 66 like millions of women born in the 1950s.Tories raised the age.

at least Labour are working with Waspi to get compensation for those that were robbed of their pension without fair warning or no warning at all 

The Tories seen to hate anyone living in social housing,as in let's see how we can hammer them further .

BBC and Cons head office going into full blown lie mode  May is sounding more like a delusional lunatic by the day, I'm sure she's either out of her depth or she really is losing the plot,

kattymieoww posted:

The Tories seen to hate anyone living in social housing,as in let's see how we can hammer them further .

As long as they keep hammering home scroungers and immigrants they can keep lining the pockets of the top 5%, their wealth has risen by 14% in austerity. 

All people want is fairness and I don't see it coming anytime soon 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

BBC and Cons head office going into full blown lie mode  May is sounding more like a delusional lunatic by the day, I'm sure she's either out of her depth or she really is losing the plot,

 

 

 

Not much choice between nutters then 

Baz posted:

Not much choice between nutters then 

I've not seen JC losing control once in the run up to the election, I have never seen him make derogatory remarks . mock or put down TM in any way shape or from to be honest...I do however see the tories running about like headless chickens and even tweeting lies, mocking and one tweet yesterday was actually quite disgusting. 

What I want to know is what excuses Labour are going to come up with for not delivering on the majority of their huge , costly manifesto promises once in power.  I'm guessing it will go something  like this ....* it was only a proposal ....we always said we needed a review ....we would have delivered on them if not for the cost of Brexit ....and the killer blow......it's all the Conservatives fault 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Not much choice between nutters then 

 

I've not seen JC losing control once in the run up to the election, I have never seen him make derogatory remarks . mock or put down TM in any way shape or from to be honest...I do however see the tories running about like headless chickens and even tweeting lies, mocking and one tweet yesterday was actually quite disgusting. 

Sorry Dame ....but nothing will persuade me that the guy is a credible leader .....and as for the likes of McDonnell/Abbot and that education woman  I despair  . Moreover,   despite not being able to quote chapter and verse .....believe it or not I do listen to/read what he says .....and across a wide range of media sources from the Independant through to , believe it or not , the Guardian  

Oh and I didn't just mean Corbyn ....I meant all the nutters across all parties 

Baz posted:

What I want to know is what excuses Labour are going to come up with for not delivering on the majority of their huge , costly manifesto promises once in power.  I'm guessing it will go something  like this ....* it was only a proposal ....we always said we needed a review ....we would have delivered on them if not for the cost of Brexit ....and the killer blow......it's all the Conservatives fault 

You're assuming that they will backtrack, you don't know they will and I am positive these policies will be put into motion. What we do know is more lives will be made a misery under the Conservatives and that isn't an assumption, it's fact. 

The government is a massive machine, it doesn't turn on a sixpence Baz and you know the Labour manifesto is costed and agreed by most that the sums add up, The tories insisted  that Labour have a fully costed manifesto which they duly obliged when the Tories haven't produced a single costing or figure. 

Anything would make make a massive improvement to the lives of millions that are desperately struggling under austerity which as we all know is a con. 

Baz posted:

Sorry Dame ....but nothing will persuade me that the guy is a credible leader .....and as for the likes of McDonnell/Abbot and that education woman  I despair  . Moreover,   despite not being able to quote chapter and verse .....believe it or not I do listen to/read what he says .....and across a wide range of media sources from the Independant through to , believe it or not , the Guardian  

and I do Baz, I truly do. You mention those two, flipping heck we have a clown for Foreign secretary at the moment. 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

What I want to know is what excuses Labour are going to come up with for not delivering on the majority of their huge , costly manifesto promises once in power.  I'm guessing it will go something  like this ....* it was only a proposal ....we always said we needed a review ....we would have delivered on them if not for the cost of Brexit ....and the killer blow......it's all the Conservatives fault 

 

You're assuming that they will backtrack, you don't know they will and I am positive these policies will be put into motion. What we do know is more lives will be made a misery under the Conservatives and that isn't an assumption, it's fact. 

The government is a massive machine, it doesn't turn on a sixpence Baz and you know the Labour manifesto is costed and agreed by most that the sums add up, The tories insisted  that Labour have a fully costed manifesto which they duly obliged when the Tories haven't produced a single costing or figure. 

Anything would make make a massive improvement to the lives of millions that are desperately struggling under austerity which as we all know is a con. 

I hope you're right Dame ....and if so I will be only to happy to put my hands up and say I'm wrong ......I've always been very pragmatic when it comes to politics .......life is never black and white .....and imo it's intransigence that is the most dangerous thing in politics 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Sorry Dame ....but nothing will persuade me that the guy is a credible leader .....and as for the likes of McDonnell/Abbot and that education woman  I despair  . Moreover,   despite not being able to quote chapter and verse .....believe it or not I do listen to/read what he says .....and across a wide range of media sources from the Independant through to , believe it or not , the Guardian  

 

and I do Baz, I truly do. You mention those two, flipping heck we have a clown for Foreign secretary at the moment. 

I agree .....but like I said ^^^^^^^ I don't believe one party is totally right and another is totally wrong ....

Baz posted:

I hope you're right Dame ....and if so I will be only to happy to put my hands up and say I'm wrong ......I've always been very pragmatic when it comes to politics .......life is never black and white .....and imo it's intransigence that is the most dangerous thing in politics 

another thing we can agree on  

Anyway, this might be a moot point if the polls don't move anymore.

Today's none u-turn doesn't make things any clearer to be honest apart from May blaming Corbyn for everything nothing clear came out of today's announcement apart from slight backtracking and a six months consultation...which in English means putting it off until we're in and still ploughing on with the dementia tax. 

Andrew Neil has just asked TM several times what the dire consequences are in relation to Brexit negotiations, each time TM avoided answering a question that clearly she should be able to answer as she herself said there would be dire consequences.

If there is one thing that get's on the t*ts of most ordinary people is avoidance. It would have been better IMO for TM to either tell us what those dire consequences are (which I don't believe she has any to offer) or say that she chose the wrong words.

When will they learn. 

I hope they keep rolling her out...that was a car crash  Not a bit of wonder they won't let her debate 

I've just been catching up with bits of the interview online.  What a blithering ****wit she is.

Kaffs posted:

I've just been catching up with bits of the interview online.  What a blithering ****wit she is.

Michael Crick asked her if she was weak and wobbly  

I've said for days it's like they don't want to win and if they do she's got to be one of the most incompetent Tory leaders I can remember 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaffs posted:

I've just been catching up with bits of the interview online.  What a blithering ****wit she is.

 

Michael Crick asked her if she was weak and wobbly  

 

I've said for days it's like they don't want to win and if they do she's got to be one of the most incompetent Tory leaders I can remember 

not the first time I've read that today.... we can but hope

Kaffs posted:

not the first time I've read that today.... we can but hope

either way, just keep rolling her out she's a great asset 

Just wondering if Jeremy Corbyn wrote the Tory manifesto because he seems to be getting the blame for everything that's in it 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

Just wondering if Jeremy Corbyn wrote the Tory manifesto because he seems to be getting the blame for everything that's in it 

The fact that Teresa May wants to legalise the trade in Ivory  is a clue that she is an utter cah . The Tories find it hilarious that ordinary people actually vote for them

The Tories/Lib Dems/SNP must be getting worried now. They are attacking JC's policies and not him 

Baz posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Not much choice between nutters then 

 

I've not seen JC losing control once in the run up to the election, I have never seen him make derogatory remarks . mock or put down TM in any way shape or from to be honest...I do however see the tories running about like headless chickens and even tweeting lies, mocking and one tweet yesterday was actually quite disgusting. 

Sorry Dame ....but nothing will persuade me that the guy is a credible leader .....and as for the likes of McDonnell/Abbot and that education woman  I despair  . Moreover,   despite not being able to quote chapter and verse .....believe it or not I do listen to/read what he says .....and across a wide range of media sources from the Independant through to , believe it or not , the Guardian  

the complete labour manifesto has been costed & approved by over 40 different economists (if you read its not viable, its because youve read it via a right wing media outlet-eg the daily mail-they & the sun will do anything to make you not vote labour..why? because the owners of those papers have NEVER paid tax in the UK & corbyn will make them start paying it)

tories are not interested in the likes of you & me..in fact theyre hoping we dont even bother voting..its a FACT that the percentage of voters that bother to vote are tory voters

if you look on twitter today, even the most staunchest of tory supporters are starting to worry about may & her uncosted manifesto

as for corbyns speech today re foreign policies..even MI5 said the same..Blair said the iraq war mightve helped start ISIS

theresa may has been selling arms to a terrorist regime who then sell them on to terrorists

the only advice i can give you is to not read main stream news but to look at independent news sites, the ones without agenda

you might be surprised at what you read

pirate1111 posted:

Baz posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Not much choice between nutters then 

 

I've not seen JC losing control once in the run up to the election, I have never seen him make derogatory remarks . mock or put down TM in any way shape or from to be honest...I do however see the tories running about like headless chickens and even tweeting lies, mocking and one tweet yesterday was actually quite disgusting. 

Sorry Dame ....but nothing will persuade me that the guy is a credible leader .....and as for the likes of McDonnell/Abbot and that education woman  I despair  . Moreover,   despite not being able to quote chapter and verse .....believe it or not I do listen to/read what he says .....and across a wide range of media sources from the Independant through to , believe it or not , the Guardian  

the complete labour manifesto has been costed & approved by over 40 different economists (if you read its not viable, its because youve read it via a right wing media outlet-eg the daily mail-they & the sun will do anything to make you not vote labour..why? because the owners of those papers have NEVER paid tax in the UK & corbyn will make them start paying it)

 

tories are not interested in the likes of you & me..in fact theyre hoping we dont even bother voting..its a FACT that the percentage of voters that bother to vote are tory voters

 

if you look on twitter today, even the most staunchest of tory supporters are starting to worry about may & her uncosted manifesto

 

as for corbyns speech today re foreign policies..even MI5 said the same..Blair said the iraq war mightve helped start ISIS

 

theresa may has been selling arms to a terrorist regime who then sell them on to terrorists

 

the only advice i can give you is to not read main stream news but to look at independent news sites, the ones without agenda

you might be surprised at what you read

For those who may not be in the know, you might want to name half a dozen independent mixed media news agencies. 

Just watching the Andrew Neil / Jeremy Corbyn interview on the BBC. Obviously the recent statement on terrorism by JC was first up. Interestingly Andrew N read out out what he says is so called Islamic State ideology. "IS really don't care which countries we bomb or go to war with, they would still hate us because of our Liberal, secular cultures, they won't stop until we are muslim".

Moonie posted:

The Tories/Lib Dems/SNP must be getting worried now. They are attacking JC's policies and not him 

No, back to attacking Corbyn and complete with a mouth full of lies straight out of TM's scowling mouth. I am so pleased people are now seeing past these b*llshit lies. 

Probably trying to take the heat off their 7 pence costing for children's breakfasts... Theresa' May's Bluekip manifesto disintegrates before your very eyes. 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

Just watching the Andrew Neil / Jeremy Corbyn interview on the BBC. Obviously the recent statement on terrorism by JC was first up. Interestingly Andrew N read out out what he says is so called Islamic State ideology. "IS really don't care which countries we bomb or go to war with, they would still hate us because of our Liberal, secular cultures, they won't stop until we are muslim".

You would have to have the IQ of a cornflake not to connect the two...the rise of Isis came about in 2004 after the Iraq invasion. It was formed in 1999 but had little impact until we attacked Saddam Hussein and toppled his government... the sister of the Manchester bomber said she thought her brother had  committed the terrorist attack to avenge children in Syria being bombed day after day... Of course it's related, I'm not sure how we stop it now, but continuing to bomb middle eastern countries will always leave us wide open to terrorist attacks.