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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I remember the debate on Spyka's about Gay Pride and being told that the 'war' was already won on that issue so we should shut up and get on with being gay quietly and without a fuss.

Ah, there you go

*** hopes her dad hasn't found spyka's ***

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
She! Lilibet. It was the first thing she said after leaving the shower

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I had a huge argument with my dad once, about Gay Pride.

He couldn't understand why they had to make a song and dance about it.
I asked him whether he thought it would ever have been needed, if the gay community had never been discriminated against.

you dont have to be gay to take part in gay pride though

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I had a huge argument with my dad once, about Gay Pride.

He couldn't understand why they had to make a song and dance about it.
I asked him whether he thought it would ever have been needed, if the gay community had never been discriminated against.

I remember the debate on Spyka's about Gay Pride and being told that the 'war' was already won on that issue so we should shut up and get on with being gay quietly and without a fuss.

i remember that too

there was some good threads on there

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

I remember the debate on Spyka's about Gay Pride and being told that the 'war' was already won on that issue so we should shut up and get on with being gay quietly and without a fuss.

Oh, I wonder who it was who said that?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I had a huge argument with my dad once, about Gay Pride.

He couldn't understand why they had to make a song and dance about it.
I asked him whether he thought it would ever have been needed, if the gay community had never been discriminated against.

I remember the debate on Spyka's about Gay Pride and being told that the 'war' was already won on that issue so we should shut up and get on with being gay quietly and without a fuss.

gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

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Originally posted by profile:

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I had a huge argument with my dad once, about Gay Pride.

He couldn't understand why they had to make a song and dance about it.
I asked him whether he thought it would ever have been needed, if the gay community had never been discriminated against.

Oh bizzie, rational argument, whatever are you thinking of. Wait til flossie comes along, he'll try and decimate you with his 'sharp' typing finger.

I thought Flossie's arguments were perfectly rational. In fact I know they were. I just happen to disagree with some of them.

Some of your retorts on the other hand...

I though Flossie and cologne`s arguments were both perfectly rational.

As much as I like Flossie he`s not backwards at coming forwards with his own "retorts." I do believe he referred to some posts in this thread as idiocy.

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Originally posted by PeterCat:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

I remember the debate on Spyka's about Gay Pride and being told that the 'war' was already won on that issue so we should shut up and get on with being gay quietly and without a fuss.

Oh, I wonder who it was who said that?

I'm wondering, who was it?

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:

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Originally posted by cologne1:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
I had a huge argument with my dad once, about Gay Pride.

He couldn't understand why they had to make a song and dance about it.
I asked him whether he thought it would ever have been needed, if the gay community had never been discriminated against.

Oh bizzie, rational argument, whatever are you thinking of. Wait til flossie comes along, he'll try and decimate you with his 'sharp' typing finger.

you mean just like he decimated you?

Are you reading the same thread as me?

Btw this is a debate..not point scoring.

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Btw this is a debate..not point scoring

Indeed, 2 sets of waffle as I eloquently put it

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

It would appear that Elton John is unable to adopt.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

it's all the same thing, loadsa straights have civil partnerships.
ok gays can't get married in church (we all know why) but they can get a blessing if they want, personaly i don't see the point.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

It would appear that Elton John is unable to adopt.

That's just as much to do with his age, though.

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
it's all the same thing, loadsa straights have civil partnerships.
ok gays can't get married in church (we all know why) but they can get a blessing if they want, personaly i don't see the point.

No they don't - those are reserved for same-sex couples.

Yes Joe. you are correct

"Straights" as you put it Contessa have the choice, yes many do opt for a civil ceremony...but while they have the option and Gay couples don't...then no, I don't believe Gay people do have equality.

That's aside from the discrimination etc.

I do love it when people mention Gay people not "shoving it down their throat"...that's my very favourite part of these discussions

Away for a bath, be good kids

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
it's all the same thing, loadsa straights have civil partnerships.
ok gays can't get married in church (we all know why) but they can get a blessing if they want, personaly i don't see the point.

No they don't - those are reserved for same-sex couples.

whatcha mean? i thought anyone could have a civil partnership.

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Originally posted by electric6:
Yes Joe. you are correct

"Straights" as you put it Contessa have the choice, yes many do opt for a civil ceremony...but while they have the option and Gay couples don't...then no, I don't believe Gay people do have equality.

That's aside from the discrimination etc.

I do love it when people mention Gay people not "shoving it down their throat"...that's my very favourite part of these discussions

Away for a bath, be good kids

Sorry, not true. Sraights are not entitled to civil partnerships - for them, it's marriage or nothing.

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Originally posted by electric6:
Yes Joe. you are correct

"Straights" as you put it Contessa have the choice, yes many do opt for a civil ceremony...but while they have the option and Gay couples don't...then no, I don't believe Gay people do have equality.

That's aside from the discrimination etc.

I do love it when people mention Gay people not "shoving it down their throat"...that's my very favourite part of these discussions

Away for a bath, be good kids

the reason they can't have a church wedding is because the teaching of the church says that homosexuality is wrong, it has nothing to do with equality.

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

It would appear that Elton John is unable to adopt.

that was mainly due to the country he wanted to adopt from though, that country doesn't adopt to gay couples. mind you he seemed to want a particular kid he met...not any orphan.

mind you although it's not against the law for gay couples to adopt in this country there is stil ALOT of stigma about it.

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:

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Originally posted by Demantoid:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
it's all the same thing, loadsa straights have civil partnerships.
ok gays can't get married in church (we all know why) but they can get a blessing if they want, personaly i don't see the point.

No they don't - those are reserved for same-sex couples.

whatcha mean? i thought anyone could have a civil partnership.

No. the law

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Btw this is a debate..not point scoring

Indeed, 2 sets of waffle as I eloquently put it

You're making waffles?

*goes to get a plate*

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Originally posted by electric6:
"Straights" as you put it Contessa have the choice, yes many do opt for a civil ceremony...but while they have the option and Gay couples don't...then no, I don't believe Gay people do have equality.

Isn't that still marriage though, just without the religious gumph? Like, they still get a marriage certificate if it was at a registry office/stately home/football ground...

I think Civil Partnerships are a great idea, at least now in a way gay people or a same sex couple can declare their love for one another and in a way have the same rights as a straight couple. However such a shame some of the states in America are still bigoted and banned it from happening shame on them, but some of them have made it legal and good for them .

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Btw this is a debate..not point scoring

Indeed, 2 sets of waffle as I eloquently put it

We should set up a waffling society..I`ll bring the grill.

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

It would appear that Elton John is unable to adopt.

that was mainly due to the country he wanted to adopt from though, that country doesn't adopt to gay couples. mind you he seemed to want a particular kid he met...not any orphan.

mind you although it's not against the law for gay couples to adopt in this country there is stil ALOT of stigma about it.

wouldn't do for him just to have a british kid in need of a good home, madona got herself a foreign one so why shouldn't SIR elton?

I'm not that keen on Gay Pride myself as I think it pushes caricatures as stereotypes to people in parts of the country where same-sex stuff in public is still a bit odd. I don't think we've won the war any more than those negatively discriminated against over ethnicity. It's staggeringly better than it was even a decade ago though. There will come a time when Gay Pride and role model promotion like the GG2 event in the opening post are completely irrelevant. I hope.

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Originally posted by SazBomb:

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Originally posted by electric6:
"Straights" as you put it Contessa have the choice, yes many do opt for a civil ceremony...but while they have the option and Gay couples don't...then no, I don't believe Gay people do have equality.

Isn't that still marriage though, just without the religious gumph? Like, they still get a marriage certificate if it was at a registry office/stately home/football ground...

When straight people have a civil ceremony it's a marriage...when Gay couples do it's a civil partnership...
They aren't exactly the same...I think it was to appease bigots really.

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Same-sex marriage is not legal in the United Kingdom. Marriage laws vary in the countries of the UK however all of them currently prohibit marriages between same-sex couples.

Since 2005 same-sex couples are allowed to enter into civil partnerships, a separate union which provides the legal consequences of marriage.

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Originally posted by electric6:

I do love it when people mention Gay people not "shoving it down their throat"...that's my very favourite part of these discussions

*giggles*

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by SazBomb:
Isn't that still marriage though, just without the religious gumph? Like, they still get a marriage certificate if it was at a registry office/stately home/football ground...

When straight people have a civil ceremony it's a marriage...when Gay couples do it's a civil partnership...
They aren't exactly the same...I think it was to appease bigots really.

oh no, I meant the one for straight people... they have a civil ceremony but its still a marriage, but for gay people its different. I was just confused cos I thought straight peeps couldn't have a civil partnership (which they cant)

Have I just made it worse?

Yes, you've made it worse!

*Hed esplodes!!!!!*



Yeah, straight people, when they have a civil ceremony (ie. not in a church and with no religious message in the ceremony/vows) they are still officially married...provided the venue has a proper licence and it's performed by someone officially allowed to do so.

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

It would appear that Elton John is unable to adopt.

that was mainly due to the country he wanted to adopt from though, that country doesn't adopt to gay couples. mind you he seemed to want a particular kid he met...not any orphan.

mind you although it's not against the law for gay couples to adopt in this country there is stil ALOT of stigma about it.

wouldn't do for him just to have a british kid in need of a good home, madona got herself a foreign one so why shouldn't SIR elton?

apparently he met an orphan, and wanted to adopt him...and only him. wasn't like he wanted to adopt before that. he may look to adopt again though.

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:

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Originally posted by Darthhoob:

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
gays have the same rights as straight peeps now, they can get married, addopt babies etc so the "war" is over

Civil partnership. Not marriage.

It would appear that Elton John is unable to adopt.

that was mainly due to the country he wanted to adopt from though, that country doesn't adopt to gay couples. mind you he seemed to want a particular kid he met...not any orphan.

mind you although it's not against the law for gay couples to adopt in this country there is stil ALOT of stigma about it.

wouldn't do for him just to have a british kid in need of a good home, madona got herself a foreign one so why shouldn't SIR elton?

apparently he met an orphan, and wanted to adopt him...and only him. wasn't like he wanted to adopt before that. he may look to adopt again though.

yes i saw it on the news out here, a pretty little blond boy.

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Originally posted by electric6:
Yes, you've made it worse!

*Hed esplodes!!!!!*



Yeah, straight people, when they have a civil ceremony (ie. not in a church and with no religious message in the ceremony/vows) they are still officially married...provided the venue has a proper licence and it's performed by someone officially allowed to do so.

Thats worra meant!