tonight is the anti-white racist awards

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LeccyMember

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I think you have to read between the lines about the motivations for this event. They're promoting role models and leaders to inspire members of ethnic minorities in a country where the overwhelming majority are white British.

As ever in these race discussions, I seem to singularly fail to get across that race issues are about relations of power rather than simple ethnic differences. In other words, while a white Brit may experience racist interactions as an individual in Britain, minority to majority racism is not the same as majority to minority racism. It seems glaringly obvious to me but perhaps I'm just odd.

Tru dat

9/15/0910:49 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

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Originally posted by electric6:
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Originally posted by jelly vodkafish:
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Originally posted by electric6:
I feel dead sorry for the poor oppressed white man. Gotta be real tough for them

I don't think it's about oppression, I think it's about double-standards

*Devils advocate hat*
If minority groups hadn't been oppressed for years there wouldn't have been any need for such ceremonies/awards.

In any case I don't get why folks get their knickers in a knot. Are able bodied folks gonna demand they be in the paralymics?

Are nurses gonna moan they didn't get engineer of the year or whatever?

It's such a crappy thing to worry about.

...and there you have it.

9/15/0910:49 AM

Former Member

The main reason to worry about in this event is that that twat Tony Blair is the headline speaker and he's acting on behalf of his Faith Foundation.

9/15/0910:50 AM

ContessaQMember

to put it simply if a black/asian/white wins an award that is claimed to be a british award then it means diddly squat, to get the real winner is for all to compete as a one british people.

whats going to be next, seperate olympics for blacks/whites?

9/15/0910:59 AM

Blizz'ardMember 10 years

Just because it's sponsored by the Daily Mail, that doesn't make it racist!

9/15/0911:02 AM

LeccyMember

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Leadership and Diversity Awards started in 1999 and are designed to promote and recognise individuals who have succeeded against the odds and broken through barriers

Is this the right one?

9/15/0911:06 AM

Garage JoeMember

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Originally posted by electric6:
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Leadership and Diversity Awards started in 1999 and are designed to promote and recognise individuals who have succeeded against the odds and broken through barriers

Is this the right one?

Difficult isn't it Leccy. The first ones I found were the Civil Service diversity awards and then some in Kansas.

9/15/0911:13 AM

LeccyMember

Yes Joe, I was getting links to 2008 and they seemed to be different awards with a similar/the same name.

The one up there I quoted from was from the Met.

9/15/0911:17 AM

Garage JoeMember

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Originally posted by electric6:
Yes Joe, I was getting links to 2008 and they seemed to be different awards with a similar/the same name.

The one up there I quoted from was from the Met.

So many diversity awards, so difficult to chose.

9/15/0911:19 AM

Former Member

I reckon it's this one:

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

9/15/0911:20 AM

LeccyMember

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
So many diversity awards, so difficult to chose.

A diverse choice of diversity awards. Magic!

9/15/0911:20 AM

LeccyMember

Blair talking about faith and malaria all washed down with Pepsi Max.

Sounds like a banging night, as da kids would say.

9/15/0911:23 AM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I reckon it's this one:

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

That's the one. I couldn't see the wood for the trees.

9/15/0911:27 AM

BBBSMember

my point about this is that by making the awards at this ceremony only available to certain ethnic groups it is in effect making them valueless, i can see no reason why anyones colour or ethnicity has anything at all to do with wether they have done something exceptional and worthy of an award, however by excluding whites its almost as if they are saying that if the awards were open to everyone on merit alone then they couldnt win.

the reason i question its legality is simply that it is openly racist yet supported widely by "the establishmernt" surely this kind of thing is just perpetuating the myth that somehow we are all inferior to the majority when that just isnt true, people are people and their colour or ethnicity doesnt make one iota of difference.

i do apologise but i just dont see how or why racism is considered acceptable in any way, shape or form.

9/15/0911:33 AM

BBBSMember

quote:
Originally posted by electric6:
Yes Joe, I was getting links to 2008 and they seemed to be different awards with a similar/the same name.

The one up there I quoted from was from the Met.

i saw it being plugged on bbc news 24 earlier, they said the 11th awards were tonight at the grosvenor in london.

9/15/0911:35 AM

Garage JoeMember

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
i do apologise but i just dont see how or why racism is considered acceptable in any way, shape or form.

It didn't stop you voting for that fatty 'itler one and his brain dead supporters......if I may say so.

9/15/0911:35 AM

squiggleMember 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
my point about this is that by making the awards at this ceremony only available to certain ethnic groups it is in effect making them valueless, i can see no reason why anyones colour or ethnicity has anything at all to do with wether they have done something exceptional and worthy of an award, however by excluding whites its almost as if they are saying that if the awards were open to everyone on merit alone then they couldnt win.

the reason i question its legality is simply that it is openly racist yet supported widely by "the establishmernt" surely this kind of thing is just perpetuating the myth that somehow we are all inferior to the majority when that just isnt true, people are people and their colour or ethnicity doesnt make one iota of difference.

i do apologise but i just dont see how or why racism is considered acceptable in any way, shape or form.

Well said BBBS, I hate racism whatever form it takes and I don't buy any excuse for justifying it.

9/15/0911:35 AM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
people are people and their colour or ethnicity doesnt make one iota of difference.

But it does. Systematically. Which is sort of the point.

9/15/0911:39 AM

BBBSMember

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
i do apologise but i just dont see how or why racism is considered acceptable in any way, shape or form.

It didn't stop you voting for that fatty 'itler one and his brain dead supporters......if I may say so.

no it didnt and tbh it wouldnt again if i ever felt so badly let down on an issue i passionately believe in by the mainstream parties.

9/15/0911:42 AM

Former Member

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
no it didnt and tbh it wouldnt again if i ever felt so badly let down on an issue i passionately believe in by the mainstream parties.

So the any way, shape or form isn't actually true, it's trumped by your concerns about the UK's membership of the EU, or whatever it was you were protesting about?

9/15/0911:46 AM

Garage JoeMember

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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
i do apologise but i just dont see how or why racism is considered acceptable in any way, shape or form.

It didn't stop you voting for that fatty 'itler one and his brain dead supporters......if I may say so.

no it didnt and tbh it wouldnt again if i ever felt so badly let down on an issue i passionately believe in by the mainstream parties.

Well nevermind. I hope all is well with you and what you were talking about a couple of weeks back.
Enjoy your evening and look after yourself.
I'm off to listen to the footie.

9/15/0911:46 AM

BBBSMember

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
people are people and their colour or ethnicity doesnt make one iota of difference.

But it does. Systematically. Which is sort of the point.

but isnt that the claim made that is the "reason" behind allowing this kind of "acceptable" racism.

in work i cant say i ever encountered racism or homophobia (although i've certainly had that on the streets), surely our society should be based on merit and not on creating divisions be they real or imagined.

9/15/0911:47 AM

LeccyMember

Equality does not mean, and has never meant "treating everyone exactly the same"...equality means offering everyone equal chances.

As much as some people want everyone to be exactly the same the simple fact is we aren't. I'm never gonna win a jam jar opening contest but I damn well want the right to eat jam, if I choose. That's where the diversity bit comes in with my handy jar opening gadget.

I don't think ignoring the differences in peoples opportunities or experiences is the right way to go...it's recognising them then aiming to break down the barriers/open up more opportunities and recognise those that have managed to do so...that way we all learn from their experiences.

All that made sense in my head ^^^ btw...apols. if it came across a bit soundbitey

Edited for typo: put "to to" instead of "to do"

9/15/0911:49 AM

kattymieowwMember 10 years

We have a by election election up here next month due to Michael Martin stepping down.WE've had the labour lot and the SNP lot at the door canvassing.If theose BNP bastards show up,I'll set my rabbits on threm!

9/15/0912:03 PM

Former Member

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel J*:
But it does. Systematically. Which is sort of the point.

but isnt that the claim made that is the "reason" behind allowing this kind of "acceptable" racism.

in work i cant say i ever encountered racism or homophobia (although i've certainly had that on the streets), surely our society should be based on merit and not on creating divisions be they real or imagined.

There's a hideously sexist promotional drive at the moment to try to encourage male teacher recruitment in primary schools. Apparently, there aren't very many of them for some reason and they're seen as a good thing. In fact, a quarter of primary schools have no male teachers at all. And guess what, the bloody government is guilty of outrageous sexism by spending millions of pounds trying to encourage a more representative and diverse staffroom!! Lord knows how they can justify that. They're still trying though, saying that male role models encourage some kids to try harder and aspire to higher things. If there's a systematic gender difference in the classroom then I say stuff it, so bloody what? Sexism is just plain wrong. They should just spend the money on recruitment initiatives irrespective of gender.

9/15/0912:07 PM

paaceMember

I have never heard of this award ceremony, but no person whatever their race, colour or creed should be excluded from any award ceremony.

9/15/0912:25 PM

ןєรยร๏ภคςђ๏קקєгMember

quote:
Originally posted by jelly vodkafish:

but why single out ethnic minorities? why not have the awards for everybody?

Because all the white people would win them?

*runs like the wind*

9/15/0912:35 PM

ןєรยร๏ภคςђ๏קקєгMember

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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
the bnp have been forced to accept non whites

That's a new one on me.

it was in the press last year or early this year i think.
just google white bnp members and it will come up.

*Have a spade*
You are turtelly wrong. Do you people have some sorta pressure group website where you are fed these non-stories?

Bit insulting there mate, would you have said that to a black or asian person commenting on a pro black/asian issue?

9/15/0912:37 PM

ןєรยร๏ภคςђ๏קקєгMember

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Originally posted by cologne1:
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
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Originally posted by Garage Joe:
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Originally posted by ContessaQ:
the bnp have been forced to accept non whites

That's a new one on me.

it was in the press last year or early this year i think.
just google white bnp members and it will come up.

*Have a spade*
You are turtelly wrong. Do you people have some sorta pressure group website where you are fed these non-stories?

it gives links to articles written by the press regarding the bnp having to accept non whites, newspapers like the telegraph.
i do not visit any of your so called pressure group sites.

I don't have any pressure group sites but I can now reveal that last year I was at our regional businessperson of the year awards. I can report that there were no members of the employee class outside saying that were bigotted against them.

That's what I meant with my example about the plumbers, which wasn't universally understood.

I think the difference is, you're not BORN a plumber or a businessperson, anybody can be one, see the difference?

9/15/0912:39 PM

Former Member

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Originally posted by J€šµ§ Øñ Ã ©höÞþê®:
I think the difference is, you're not BORN a plumber or a businessperson, anybody can be one, see the difference?

Actually, I was born to be a computer programmer. Everyone says so.

9/15/091:09 PM

sweet_toothMember

I really don't understand the problem with these things. I know it gets on some people's nerves that ethnic minority groups in this country are recognising themselves and giving themselves awards- but do you really think this stemmed from nowhere? Of course a lot of people were fed up with not having a chance at "everyone in one place" awards, so they branched off. Now people are annoyed by it.

9/15/091:22 PM

sweet_toothMember

Oh and while Im at it I will go as far as to say that racism is very deep rooted in a lot of people who dont realise it. At some awad ceremonies there is no way a person from an ethnic minority will win, but the judges wouldnt call themselves racist. They just would never choose that person. Obviously the person isnt always the best but come on.

9/15/091:24 PM

SazBombMember

quote:
Originally posted by electric6:
*Devils advocate hat*
If minority groups hadn't been oppressed for years there wouldn't have been any need for such ceremonies/awards.

Like Chris Rock said "you had a 200 year head start!"

9/15/091:36 PM

LeccyMember

quote:
Originally posted by SazBomb:
quote:
Originally posted by electric6:
*Devils advocate hat*
If minority groups hadn't been oppressed for years there wouldn't have been any need for such ceremonies/awards.

Like Chris Rock said "you had a 200 year head start!"

Hahahaha!

Chris Rock has some ace catchphrases that are so appropriate for the moment.

9/15/091:41 PM

cologne 1Member Memoriam

quote:
Originally posted by J€šµ§ Øñ Ã ©höÞþê®:
I think the difference is, you're not BORN a plumber or a businessperson, anybody can be one, see the difference?

No need to patronise. It was a perfectly good example to show how silly this perceived slight is. Some might think it's racist to have an evening of celebrating something and others don't. IMHO ist's better to live in a society where that can actually happen instead of one where it can't.

9/15/091:41 PM

squiggleMember 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by sweet_tooth:
I really don't understand the problem with these things. I know it gets on some people's nerves that ethnic minority groups in this country are recognising themselves and giving themselves awards- but do you really think this stemmed from nowhere? Of course a lot of people were fed up with not having a chance at "everyone in one place" awards, so they branched off. Now people are annoyed by it.

But how loud would people shout if white people were to have separate organisations and award ceremonies completely barred to black people? Its racism. Sorry I fail to understand how anyone can see it differently.

9/15/091:44 PM

sweet_toothMember

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But how loud would people shout if white people were to have separate organisations and award ceremonies completely barred to black people? Its racism. Sorry I fail to understand how anyone can see it differently.

Thats what theyve been having for years. Just that tokens were allowed to sit down, would never win an award though.

Dont apologise for "failing to understand"- you see things differently thats all

9/15/091:46 PM

LeccyMember

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Originally posted by squiggle:

But how loud would people shout if white people were to have separate organisations and award ceremonies completely barred to black people? Its racism. Sorry I fail to understand how anyone can see it differently.

I refer you to Chris Rock/Saz's earlier post.
White people aren't oppressed in our society and never have been.

Equality means equal CHANCES...and it's naive to think that minority groups are always afforded the same chances and opportunities as yer average white man.

9/15/091:49 PM

sweet_toothMember

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it's naive to think that minority groups are always afforded the same chances and opportunities as yer average white man.

Its really hard for me to believe that others actually believe everyone has equal chances. We've come a long way but there's loads of inequalities still.

9/15/092:02 PM

charmerMember

LOL!
ive been to the public house-chatted about this thread
and i knew the usual suspects would turn up on here

and they did
my mates-all who would qualify for the 'diversity' award-cos they is black and asian-and one chinese-but he's a relative and does as he's told..by me

in the OP's defence-they dont understand it either
dunno if that helps
coming from the horses mouth-so to speak

9/15/092:02 PM

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