I'll bet the ones who've hardly claimed anything are smug as anything now!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Tony Benn claimed only ÂĢ140.....
The one that disgusts me the most is the MP who laid 2 wreaths on the war memorial AND THEN CLAIMED THE MONEYBACK AS EXPENSES
Tony Benn is a damn good bloke, what sickens me is it looks like we are getting the Tories back in next time, SOME people have short memories, if you think things are tough now you are in for a rude awakening when THAT lot get back in,
God help the low paid and the old and the sick, cause THEY certainly wont,
member who told you.
I think we all knew that mp's salaries are not that great for the work they do etc. it's around ÂĢ65k. cabinet ministers get ÂĢ140k.
and because most mp's have to have 2 centres to work from, i guess like me, you thought well expenses compensating them for having to have two places is fair enough.so i was pretty ambivalent about it al..
but moat cleaning? claimed for by some arrogant twonk that seems to think any questioning of him is an affront by the the hoipoloi who paid for the feckin moat cleaning in the first place!
gawd give me strenth.
and because most mp's have to have 2 centres to work from, i guess like me, you thought well expenses compensating them for having to have two places is fair enough.so i was pretty ambivalent about it al..
but moat cleaning? claimed for by some arrogant twonk that seems to think any questioning of him is an affront by the the hoipoloi who paid for the feckin moat cleaning in the first place!
gawd give me strenth.
just checked for my area and the local allowance for a single person, and their only home, which can either be a one bedroom flat or studio apartment is ÂĢ390.
if you happen to be under 25 then you either have to share or live in a rented room.
if you happen to be under 25 then you either have to share or live in a rented room.
........ and, as for that stupid Speaker of the House, Michael Martin, shouting down Kate Hoey in the House yesterday, he should be sacked BUT, yet again, the Speaker cannot be sacked!!
She merely stated that throwing away more public money by having a police investigation into who the whistleblower is would be a waste of further public money but he rudely shouted her down.
I bet he wouldn't be so keen to have the matter investigated if the monies for such investigation were coming out of his own pocket!
She merely stated that throwing away more public money by having a police investigation into who the whistleblower is would be a waste of further public money but he rudely shouted her down.
I bet he wouldn't be so keen to have the matter investigated if the monies for such investigation were coming out of his own pocket!
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
Tony Benn is a damn good bloke, what sickens me is it looks like we are getting the Tories back in next time, SOME people have short memories, if you think things are tough now you are in for a rude awakening when THAT lot get back in,
God help the low paid and the old and the sick, cause THEY certainly wont,
member who told you.
We do have short memories. That's how NuLabour got in power in 1997. We forgot what Labour did previously and what they always do: tax and spend until the country collapses.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
Tony Benn is a damn good bloke, what sickens me is it looks like we are getting the Tories back in next time, SOME people have short memories, if you think things are tough now you are in for a rude awakening when THAT lot get back in,
God help the low paid and the old and the sick, cause THEY certainly wont,
member who told you.
We do have short memories. That's how NuLabour got in power in 1997. We forgot what Labour did previously and what they always do: tax and spend until the country collapses.
Ain't that the truth deej.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
We do have short memories. That's how NuLabour got in power in 1997. We forgot what Labour did previously and what they always do: tax and spend until the country collapses.
Good heavens, something we agree upon
David Cameron made me laugh with his speech " and alan duncan will pay back ÂĢ5000" etc. Nice gesture David but may I remind you that this expenses fiasco has been going on for years so there are going to be a lot of penniless MP's walking around if they were to pay back every penny owed over the years.
It's not so much what they are ALLOWED to claim so much as what they're NOT DISALLOWED from claiming.quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
isn't it the fact that none of them are breaking any rules/laws atm, rather they claiming what they are all allowed to claim under the agreement they ALL vote for as part of their remmuneration package in the first place?
and now they are being found out for the greedy buggers they really are..
i.e.
you can claim a, f, t and z
you can't claim l, m, x and y
So someone comes along and says 'well, it doesn't say specifically that you CAN claim n, o and p, but it doesn't actually say you CAN'T, so lets claim it anyway even though it's not really necessary to the job.
the gravy train due to arrive at platform 3 has just hit the buffers.
If Michael Martin had had his way we the public would never have seen these expenses.
And he wrote the bloody rule book.
And he wrote the bloody rule book.
They are thieving greedy scroungers, far worse than benefit cheats. The just cannot see that it is wrong either. There was a Lord on the news berating the newsgirl because she was paid more than MPs (basic obviously)
He had a big fat swinish face and with a few strokes of a pen he would have looked like the pig he was. If you cut him in two he would have had greed through him like a stick of rock.
BASTARDS!!!!!
He had a big fat swinish face and with a few strokes of a pen he would have looked like the pig he was. If you cut him in two he would have had greed through him like a stick of rock.
BASTARDS!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
If Michael Martin had had his way we the public would never have seen these expenses.
And he wrote the bloody rule book.
Nasty horrible angry thieving BASTARD he is too!!!!!
and **BREATHE**
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Tony Benn claimed only ÂĢ140.....
The one that disgusts me the most is the MP who laid 2 wreaths on the war memorial AND THEN CLAIMED THE MONEYBACK AS EXPENSES
Tony Benn is a damn good bloke, what sickens me is it looks like we are getting the Tories back in next time, SOME people have short memories, if you think things are tough now you are in for a rude awakening when THAT lot get back in,
God help the low paid and the old and the sick, cause THEY certainly wont,
member who told you.
The reason the sick, the old, and the low paid will hurt under the Tories wil be because NULabour has spent all the bl**dy money. Just like they did the last time they were in.
It takes the Tories years to sort out the mess the country gets in after a Labour government.
quote:Originally posted by paace:
David Cameron made me laugh with his speech " and alan duncan will pay back ÂĢ5000" etc. Nice gesture David but may I remind you that this expenses fiasco has been going on for years so there are going to be a lot of penniless MP's walking around if they were to pay back every penny owed over the years.
I saw that bit brilliant, name and shame.
OHG Yes Tony Benn, Top Bloke
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Tony Benn claimed only ÂĢ140.....
The one that disgusts me the most is the MP who laid 2 wreaths on the war memorial AND THEN CLAIMED THE MONEYBACK AS EXPENSES
Tony Benn is a damn good bloke, what sickens me is it looks like we are getting the Tories back in next time, SOME people have short memories, if you think things are tough now you are in for a rude awakening when THAT lot get back in,
God help the low paid and the old and the sick, cause THEY certainly wont,
member who told you.
I must disagree.
As far as I can see The Thatcherites have been in power for thirty years. I will blame Thatcher and her ilk for all this "Greed is good!" crackpot monetarism. It's all her fault. Everything that is wrong now dates back to her. BUT Blair and Brown had sufficient chance to overturn it all. Instead they alienated their own party members and in effect destroyed our Labour Party.
The gap between rich and poor has never been so great.
quote:Originally posted by luxor:
The reason the sick, the old, and the low paid will hurt under the Tories wil be because NULabour has spent all the bl**dy money. Just like they did the last time they were in.
It takes the Tories years to sort out the mess the country gets in after a Labour government.
Isn't that the truth. We cannot recover from our current crisis unless taxes rise or state benefits fall or we have an enormous and miraculous growth in GDP or the state shrinks or we have very high inflation or the value of sterling crashes. Or some mix of those. Tax rises tend to stop growth, smaller state benefits hurt the really needy, high inflation stunts growth and causes instability, and sterling crashing inhibits foreign investment. In short, the next government will inevitably be an austerity government with very little scope to make anyone's life better in the middle and lower classes. It can only set the course for improvement as Thatcher's government did and it will be similarly painful on the way.
And another thing, it must be great to be able to just write out a cheque for thousands of pounds to repay money you weren't entitled to, I see one MP this morning is returning over ÂĢ41,000!. It must be great to know you already have that kind of money in the bank to just pay back plus extra to get by on, even being able to write a check for a couple of grand show's they are not skint!
quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
If Michael Martin had had his way we the public would never have seen these expenses.
And he wrote the bloody rule book.
Probably because he didn't want us to know how much the taxis cost us for running his wife to and fro from Waitrose or Harrods to do her shopping!!
This paying stuff back doesn't really hack it, does it? It just smacks of reluctantly handing back stolen goods when you're caught. It has "please vote me back in next year and don't make me resign now" written all over it.
This pisses me off big time.
They are claiming from the same pot of money that pays my wages.Or rather should.I normally work 3 days a week,but have been putting in extra hours at work to prepare for exams and all the other stufff that comes with this term.But theres no money in the budget for me to claim supply payments,hence I've been taking time off in lieu in the afternoons this week.
It's unlikely I'll get back all the hours I've worked.It's not that in itself that bothers me,but the fact most of us who are earning from that pot of money go the extra mile and work more hours than we' re paid for at the best of times.Its galling to have our government taking the piss whilst we work our bloody bollocks off.
Oh and as for SATS
*Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
They are claiming from the same pot of money that pays my wages.Or rather should.I normally work 3 days a week,but have been putting in extra hours at work to prepare for exams and all the other stufff that comes with this term.But theres no money in the budget for me to claim supply payments,hence I've been taking time off in lieu in the afternoons this week.
It's unlikely I'll get back all the hours I've worked.It's not that in itself that bothers me,but the fact most of us who are earning from that pot of money go the extra mile and work more hours than we' re paid for at the best of times.Its galling to have our government taking the piss whilst we work our bloody bollocks off.
Oh and as for SATS
*Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
This paying stuff back doesn't really hack it, does it? It just smacks of reluctantly handing back stolen goods when you're caught. It has "please vote me back in next year and don't make me resign now" written all over it.
No names mentioned, but a guy on the radio tried to justify this. Can you imagine zB the great train robbers saying, "Yes! it's a fair cop, but we will pay it back."(Though to be fair robbing a train probably was not "Within the rules.")
quote:Originally posted by Mazzystar:
This pisses me off big time.
They are claiming from the same pot of money that pays my wages.Or rather should.I normally work 3 days a week,but have been putting in extra hours at work to prepare for exams and all the other stufff that comes with this term.But theres no money in the budget for me to claim supply payments,hence I've been taking time off in lieu in the afternoons this week.
It's unlikely I'll get back all the hours I've worked.It's not that in itself that bothers me,but the fact most of us who are earning from that pot of money go the extra mile and work more hours than we' re paid for at the best of times.Its galling to have our government taking the piss whilst we work our bloody bollocks off.
Oh and as for SATS
*Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
Just take the time off as sick leave.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by Mazzystar:
This pisses me off big time.
They are claiming from the same pot of money that pays my wages.Or rather should.I normally work 3 days a week,but have been putting in extra hours at work to prepare for exams and all the other stufff that comes with this term.But theres no money in the budget for me to claim supply payments,hence I've been taking time off in lieu in the afternoons this week.
It's unlikely I'll get back all the hours I've worked.It's not that in itself that bothers me,but the fact most of us who are earning from that pot of money go the extra mile and work more hours than we' re paid for at the best of times.Its galling to have our government taking the piss whilst we work our bloody bollocks off.
Oh and as for SATS
*Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh*
Just take the time off as sick leave.
Some of us in the public sector have our principles you know
*Sniffs and sticks nose in air*
quote:Originally posted by HyacinthB:quote:Originally posted by Hotpants Helen:
If Michael Martin had had his way we the public would never have seen these expenses.
And he wrote the bloody rule book.
Probably because he didn't want us to know how much the taxis cost us for running his wife to and fro from Waitrose or Harrods to do her shopping!!
Now alot of 'them' have been told to pay it back, it made me wonder whether they would've bough such EXPENSIVE furniture etc if the money had come out of their own pockets in the first place!!! Ha, bet they're wishing they went to IKEA now!
It seems to me, that because they are paying back their ill-gotten gains, that they are admitting to fraudulent behaviour....so should have their collars felt.
quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
It seems to me, that because they are paying back their ill-gotten gains, that they are admitting to fraudulent behaviour....so should have their collars felt.
My Boss got investigated by H M Revenue & Customs a few years back over a couple of hundred quids worth of Invoices that she'd put through the Books (rightly or wrongly), it was all above board in the end....anyway, they went through everything......they even could locate where in the World she had been and when through Bank Statements & such.....that was for a few hundred quid.........so why aren't they getting investigated, and possibly prosecuted by the Customs people!!!
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
It seems to me, that because they are paying back their ill-gotten gains, that they are admitting to fraudulent behaviour....so should have their collars felt.
....so why aren't they getting investigated, and possibly prosecuted by the Customs people!!!
Dems, it drives me mad that there's one law for them and one for everyone else. That woman who 'flipped' her home to get her child into school, will feel the full weight of the law, so will we see Darling, Blears et al in the dock?
quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
It seems to me, that because they are paying back their ill-gotten gains, that they are admitting to fraudulent behaviour....so should have their collars felt.
....so why aren't they getting investigated, and possibly prosecuted by the Customs people!!!
Dems, it drives me mad that there's one law for them and one for everyone else. That woman who 'flipped' her home to get her child into school, will feel the full weight of the law, so will we see Darling, Blears et al in the dock?
I shouldn't thinks so, most of the 'people in power' all p**s in the same pot anyway!...One for all and all for one, as they say....
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
It seems to me, that because they are paying back their ill-gotten gains, that they are admitting to fraudulent behaviour....so should have their collars felt.
....so why aren't they getting investigated, and possibly prosecuted by the Customs people!!!
Dev: it drives me mad that there's one law for them and one for everyone else. That woman who 'flipped' her home to get her child into school, will feel the full weight of the law, so will we see Darling, Blears et al in the dock?
I shouldn't thinks so, most of the 'people in power' all p**s in the same pot anyway!...One for all and all for one, as they say....
That is true Devil:
quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
That is true Devil:
Too little, too late in my books, they are NOT sorry for doing it, just that they have been caught out....they don't apologise, just say "it's within the rules"...blah, blah, blah!
I find it astounding that their expenses per year are 18 months/ 2 years wages for me....they take almost a third of my monthly salary in Tax & Ni, to pay for lots of things that I disagree with...
Some people have said they've been at it for years, why the uproar now. The uproar now is because, thanks to this Government, it's open door policy and lax Banking Rules, the Country is on it's knees.....yet they STILL take, take, take and defend it....we're being told to tighten our belts, and they're living the life of Riley...what a sorry state of affairs!
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
This paying stuff back doesn't really hack it, does it? It just smacks of reluctantly handing back stolen goods when you're caught. It has "please vote me back in next year and don't make me resign now" written all over it.
Absolutely.
It's like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted IMO. All purely an exercise in damage limitation as they're running scared.
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
That is true Devil:
Too little, too late in my books, they are NOT sorry for doing it, just that they have been caught out....they don't apologise, just say "it's within the rules"...blah, blah, blah!
I find it astounding that their expenses per year are 18 months/ 2 years wages for me....they take almost a third of my monthly salary in Tax & Ni, to pay for lots of things that I disagree with...
Some people have said they've been at it for years, why the uproar now. The uproar now is because, thanks to this Government, it's open door policy and lax Banking Rules, the Country is on it's knees.....yet they STILL take, take, take and defend it....we're being told to tighten our belts, and they're living the life of Riley...what a sorry state of affairs!
I agree, that they're not sorry for defauding the public, just that they've been found out. They still want to find and sue the Whistleblower, who has revealed the shenanigans to us. Hazel Blears was waving a cheque about on TV.......so that makes it better? I don't think so.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
This paying stuff back doesn't really hack it, does it? It just smacks of reluctantly handing back stolen goods when you're caught. It has "please vote me back in next year and don't make me resign now" written all over it.
(Though to be fair robbing a train probably was not "Within the rules.")
Well, in all fairness, the money from the Great Train Robbery was on its way to Wales in order to be incinerated so, in effect, Ronnie Biggs et al merely put it back in the system and, quite apart from that, it was considered to be the Queen's money and therefore the crime amounted to almost a treasonable offence as it was a crime committed against the Crown.
I must admit though, I do like the way the Telegraph has made them all sweat! 
Labour 1st, then a few days later the Tories, now the Lib Dems...I bet they were all running round like headless chickens trying to cover their slimy tracks!
The way I see it is that if a few are getting away with it, and others know about it, they're gonna think to themselves..'If Joes Bloggs can get away with it, why shouldn't I'...not having one ounce of morality or decency between them, they all jump on the band-wagon.....
I really am going to have to think long and hard about who to vote for as I have absolutely NO trust or confidence in any of the Parties!
However, lots of people are saying they will not vote, that is wrong, the right to vote is more important now than ever!
Labour 1st, then a few days later the Tories, now the Lib Dems...I bet they were all running round like headless chickens trying to cover their slimy tracks!
The way I see it is that if a few are getting away with it, and others know about it, they're gonna think to themselves..'If Joes Bloggs can get away with it, why shouldn't I'...not having one ounce of morality or decency between them, they all jump on the band-wagon.....
I really am going to have to think long and hard about who to vote for as I have absolutely NO trust or confidence in any of the Parties!
However, lots of people are saying they will not vote, that is wrong, the right to vote is more important now than ever!
quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
That is true Devil:
Too little, too late in my books, they are NOT sorry for doing it, just that they have been caught out....they don't apologise, just say "it's within the rules"...blah, blah, blah!
I find it astounding that their expenses per year are 18 months/ 2 years wages for me....they take almost a third of my monthly salary in Tax & Ni, to pay for lots of things that I disagree with...
Some people have said they've been at it for years, why the uproar now. The uproar now is because, thanks to this Government, it's open door policy and lax Banking Rules, the Country is on it's knees.....yet they STILL take, take, take and defend it....we're being told to tighten our belts, and they're living the life of Riley...what a sorry state of affairs!
I agree, that they're not sorry for defauding the public, just that they've been found out. They still want to find and sue the Whistleblower, who has revealed the shenanigans to us. Hazel Blears was waving a cheque about on TV.......so that makes it better? I don't think so.
The Whistleblower should be knighted, think of all the money he/she has saved us, now & in the long run.....I for one would shake his or her hand!
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
I must admit though, I do like the way the Telegraph has made them all sweat!
Labour 1st, then a few days later the Tories, now the Lib Dems...I bet they were all running round like headless chickens trying to cover their slimy tracks!
The way I see it is that if a few are getting away with it, and others know about it, they're gonna think to themselves..'If Joes Bloggs can get away with it, why shouldn't I'...not having one ounce of morality or decency between them, they all jump on the band-wagon.....
I really am going to have to think long and hard about who to vote for as I have absolutely NO trust or confidence in any of the Parties!
However, lots of people are saying they will not vote, that is wrong, the right to vote is more important now than ever!
There was a comment last night on TV, that the biggest scam-monger will be revealed tomorrow