but your provocation is now becoming really tiresome

What provocation?  Please quote where I have displayed such behaviour in this thread.

You don't remember posting this? You've forgotten already? In what way is including his race 'significant'? Everyone knew what you were implying.

So let me just get this right - you are having a go at me over something I haven't actually said - hmm interesting.

Wanders in..wanders out again.

I'm assuming that you've now read the newspaper reports and realise that his nationality was reported, rather than his 'race', as well as his gender, marital status, the fact that he was a father, his name and the reason he was in Paisley. This would be normal in any report of this nature.

There was no suggestion of a racist motive. In fact no motive was found and the judge described it as a 'vicious, sustained, mindless and unprovoked attack on a passing stranger'.

its GROUND HOG DAY...

I've already pointed out to you which remarks wound people up. So have several other people. If you refuse to scroll back to read the comments made directly to you that's your problem not mine.

And Croc is right it's like a dog with a bone, what she got wrong was you are the one with the bone. You reel people in and then just won't let go once you've made sure the thread is all about you AGAIN!

I've already pointed out to you which remarks wound people up. So have several other people. If you refuse to scroll back to read the comments made directly to you that's your problem not mine.

No you haven't you have quoted one of my comments and turned it into something it wasn't by telling me what I was implying rather than what I had actually said.


And Croc is right it's like a dog with a bone, what she got wrong was you are the one with the bone. You reel people in and then just won't let go once you've made sure the thread is all about you AGAIN!
You made this thread about me - if I remember rightly go back to page 1 and you were the first to make a comment about me personally rather than the topic - oh and you may or may not choose to notice but I ignored you.

I agree with what Croc said... 

same old people coming in to jump on a well known WUM  [that's my personal opinion] some not even bothering to join in the actual discussion of the thread just popping in to have their digs.. who made ya's all the forum police?  there's Mods for that who can do what is needed if necessary..

same old every time. .attack, attack, lecture, attack more lectures. .try scrolling past the posts you don't like or take a breath and count to ten before posting.. and as was said the only people letting this thread be about a person not a topic are the ones that bite very time and give the flamer ammo..

*puts on unpopularity hat *

^^^^^^^^This is where you took this thread in the wrong direction PP,it was NOT about race but to you it was....The victims NATIONALITY was mentioned in the story,among other details ,you choose to see the mention of the victim being Indian as that being his race,why?

CLICKY LINK to post explaining what miffed some people in answer to PP's question about proof....


just to be fair.

^^^^^^^^This is where you took this thread in the wrong direction PP,it was NOT about race but to you it was....The victims NATIONALITY was mentioned in the story,among other details ,you choose to see the mention of the victim being Indian as that being his race,why?

The thread stated that this man was an inidan man and I chose to comment on that aspect of the story and how I believe including this information in the story was not really needed.  At the same time I could choose to argue that the thread was not meant to be about the sentences handed out to the perpertrators however some people chose to look at that aspect of the story.  I stayed on topic and therefore it really does baffle me as to how I can be accused of taking the thread in the wrong direction.  I merely commented on one aspect of the story like many others have done.

CLICKY LINK to post explaining what miffed some people in answer to PP's question about proof....


just to be fair.

I stand by what I said in that post - I expressed an opinion in a clear concise manner - it was in no way derogatory or nasty which certain people have tried claiming it was.

*goes & sits with Croc & Olly on the unpopularity bench*

Seriously...  you all know there will be no resolution to all this..   just post around people who you know you'll just end up getting into a never ending row with.

Taking it away from the topic a bit..ooer.I remember years ago when I worked in a public library and someone broke in overnight  and nicked a microfiche reader(I think they thought it was a portable telly!) The cops dully arrived and interviewed the Librarian(this also was in the days when cops turned up for break ins),They got the details  etc then asked her for her name and age,she gave her name but stated she was "Over 21" .They said no we need your exact age...she wouldn't give them it.She said "You can cleary see I'm not a minor etc,that is all I need to state to you ,over 21!".We left the room at that point in fits of giggles.She was in her forties.

to be fair PP you kinda put words into someones post that weren't there. .ie you took it wrong or twisted it a bit and they didn't agree with what you did/said

BUT really the only person who really should have pulled ya up on that and discussed/debated it further was the poster who's post you made a comment on.. not every other tom dick and harry too

This is my last comment here....PP perhaps if you could somehow manage to see that the victims race was NOT an aspect of the story,it was to you but the point being made in the article was he was a tourist from India,not his race his nationality,and as myself and others tried to explain when such things happen that is how it is reported,home and abroad btw.

I agree that the sentencing in this country is ludicrous.. someone drinks and drives and kills someone and gets a short sentence..some idiot student throws a fire extinguisher off a building and gets 32 mths. .yeah I know it could have killed somebody but it didn't and it probably wasn't intended to... unlike drinking, getting off yer head then getting behind the wheel of a car. .that is premeditated murder to an extent yet they get hardly anything for their crime.. 

whole system needs a shake up 

ooh...  see I agree with that sentence!

I absolutely agree about the punishment dished out for DD,in the wrong hands a car is a lethal weapon ,the punishment most certainly does not fit the crime with this.

This is my last comment here....PP perhaps if you could somehow manage to see that the victims race was NOT an aspect of the story

Exactly
it was to you but the point being made in the article was he was a tourist from India,not his race his nationality,and as myself and others tried to explain when such things happen that is how it is reported,home and abroad btw.
It may very well be how it is reported but in my opinion that does not make it right

The title of the thread is self explanatory as is the OP`s opening post. It was about the lenient sentences handed out in this country and nothing else.

I have just re-read the opening post and to me it is merely commenting on the story as a whole - there is nothing to suggest we are only allowed to talk about the sentences handed out.

I kinda do too Ditty


problem I have is when putting it in the context of other sentencing for more serious crimes. .if you get my drift.. I think drink drivers that kill get on average 24 mths.. which I think is dreadful

anyhoo I need to catch up on a whole days recording of the Housewives of New York. .posh Brassy Chavs... if such an Oxymoron is possible

I agree that the ends should justify the means when it comes to the justice system... but correct me if I'm wrong... don't drink drivers have their licence taken away as part of their punishment?

Oh watched that show once Olly that was enough,what a bunch of over indulged shallow cows.

oh I love it . .they are like JK peeps with dosh and no taste. .the New Jersey ones are even better. .proper fighty swing a fist  ones..

I agree too. 

I'll ignore any racial aspect and go straight to saying.......Paisley? Doesn't surprise me in some ways.

Okay - so apparently it was the same old people who commented re PP.
I do not see that at all. It was just about everyone - some of whom have defended PP in the past.
She has her own opinion and she is entitled to it - my god are we told that over and over again.
She asked for examples of how she could have offended - she chose to ignore those examples.
Then people jump in to defend her..

Yep Ground hog Day.
BUT peeps who chose the defence card...

She will disagree with you one day, oh yes...

Mwauhhhh

Oh and by the way.
There IS such a thing as a wrong, mislead and down right inflammatory opinion.
So there 

It's hilarious to see people on here defending the troll when they've tore her apart in the past for exactly the same kind of nonsense. I'm going to leave you all to it.

is that sentence for someone caught over the limit...  or for someone that has injured someone whilst being over the limit?

I hate drink driving Olls..    so I would have no problem with there being harsher sentencing...     though I do think that they should also do away with a legal limit..    have some leniency for "trace amounts" where people are genuinely sober as a judge, but have trace levels of alcohol in their blood from the day before...   but in order to drive a car you should not have had a drink for xx hours...  perhaps with an increase to 24 hours for higher levels of alcohol consumed.

The git that threw the fire extinguisher got an appropriate sentence imo..      in my opinion what he did was a crime that if compared to drink driving...  would be to driving an HGV after 3 bottles of vodka!

*ahem*

I have only ever once got involved in a "PP thread"..   and that wasn't to do with PP... but the when the topic had progressed to cliques.

I know its hard to sit on your hands and not post sometimes... but it is possible.

I do it alot

Perhaps the man's nationality WAS important.  Would the yobs have gone for him if he were "one of their own"?

There are attacks every day all over the country that are down to race, religion, creed and sexuality.  To deny that they exist is to hide your head in the sand.

no Issy...  not if I don't post with her..   if I just ignore it

But but... don't you see... you have been drawn in...

Ahhhh get out while you can..

Probably but if we all agreed ALL the time it'd be a pretty boring existence. I'll not lose sleep over the prospect 

I think that there is not always a need to mention someones colour or race, but people will invariably do this and there is not automatically racist reasons for this, or any sinister hidden agenda, and I find the suggestion that there is (when something like this occurs,) rather ludicrous..  If you saw someone had taken or borrowed something that you were looking for (at work or something,) and someone said 'who took it?' and you didnt know, and they asked you to describe the person, you would probably describe them as best you could including their skin colour/race/height/build/hair colour. 

If you said he was a tall ginger guy, it doesnt mean you have a problem with ginger people or tall people; it's just a description to give people an idea of the person and what they looked like etc.  If the news had just said 'a person has been attacked,' people would moan that the news hadnt said more about him. 

I find people making a fuss over someone describing someone as Asian/Black/middle east looking or whatever, are just trying to provoke conflict.  I have known people like this in real life, and they get right under my skin.  What on earth is wrong with simply describing someone including their race?  People make far too much of an issue these days about things which arent worth making issues over.  And this isn't an attack on anyone in this forum by the way: it's my honest opinion.

Ok... I will.

But I just wanted you to see that there is "another way"

Yes... but... should I wash chicken before cooking?


Z.

Depends what the chicken has been doing

I would Z