I would say the lot of them, because I would like to know one decent policy that they have put in that has benefited the people of this Country..apart from the top earners that is. 

Like Damesy says.....all of them   It's absolutely shocking what they are doing to this country. 

I'm ashamed to call myself  British 

velvet donkey posted:

Theresa May is a puppet on a string.

 

She has no bottle. I'd be firing them left right and centre. Starting with Johnson.

 

I think she comes from a good place though.

I would have to disagree Velvet, anyone that can inflict the policies on the poorest in society to give tax breaks to the rich doesn't come from a good place in my book. There is absolutley no need for austerity and never was, the money tree can be shaken anytime when it benefits the government....I still luvs you though  

velvet donkey p

You're right again.

 

 

and this is why I luv's you...you make me smile, always 

Theresa May seems to take the attitude that despite her numerous failings in policy, character and judgement, she's the only person who is competent to lead the country.  She also has a contemptuous attitude to parliamentary scrutiny over Brexit and foreign policy. 

She seems to be hanging Amber Rudd out to dry.  Amber Rudd seems to be the go-to person to do Cameron and then May's dirty work when they didn't have the guts to argue their case during the Brexit campaign nor during the general election.  

IMO, May should resign for creating the climate of suspicion and ill feeling against, not only for illegals but also for anyone with a non-white face.  

Her 'Go home' vans were gutter politics appealing to the worst in the electorate and giving a nod of approval to the very worst of racists.   The same party that has the brass neck to now lecture Corbyn - a life long campaigner against racism - about anti-semitism.  

Carnelian posted:

Theresa May seems to take the attitude that despite her numerous failings in policy, character and judgement, she's the only person who is competent to lead the country.  She also has a contemptuous attitude to parliamentary scrutiny over Brexit and foreign policy. 

 

She seems to be hanging Amber Rudd out to dry.  Amber Rudd seems to be the go-to person to do Cameron and then May's dirty work when they didn't have the guts to argue their case during the Brexit campaign nor during the general election.  

 

IMO, May should resign for creating the climate of suspicion and ill feeling against, not only for illegals but also for anyone with a non-white face.  

 

Her 'Go home' vans were gutter politics appealing to the worst in the electorate and giving a nod of approval to the very worst of racists.   The same party that has the brass neck to now lecture Corbyn - a life long campaigner against racism - about anti-semitism.  

 

yep

100% agree

i've no doubt anti-semitism is rife in all walks of life..im wondering if tories/blairites/MSM knew windrush was about to explode so they got in 1st with the 'corbyn hates jews' sh!te

the ruth smeeth & Marc Wadsworth stuff..its embarrassing..he said sod all about jews but smeeth huffed & puffed & ran out then conveniently started blubbering in front of the cameras

this is what he actually said

Transcript: "I saw that the Telegraph handed a copy of a press release to Ruth Smeeth MP so you can see who is working hand in hand. If you look around this room, how many African, Caribbean and Asian people are there? We need to get our house in order, don’t we?

Marc Wadsworth said absolutley nothing anti semitic and those  labour MP's making a a show of themselves marching with Ruth Smeeth need to be deselected ...these people should cross the floor because they are more Tory than the Tories.  

We are fed far right propaganda constantly and people are so stupid to believe, read or watch it. I work at a private club which is owned by Daily Mail readers, I constantly hear the N word, anyone unmarried with a child is a scrounger, unemployed people are scum of the earth and Trump is fabulous. 

These people are mormons and I have to smile and be polite to them, they disgust me but I have no choice but to listen to their stupid take on the world.

The Hostile Environment policy was a BNP suggestion...and that well known christian woman implemented it along with her go home vans. I have no faith, I have however more humanity in my toenail than Theresa May. 

Let's take the BBC, Alison Fuller Pedley who is responsible for the Question time audience and a far right supporter. This woman has invited far right groups to be guests on QT including EDL , Nigel Farage has made 33 appearances ...this week for instance. 

this is the lovely Jonathan Jennings

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/...nelli-court-14549873

Time we all stopped paying the BBC our license fee, it's a disgusting mouthpiece for a far right government that is corrupt to its very core..

the vile jess phillips marching with ruth smeeth to the hearing..all of them lot need to go..a f*cking embarrassment to the party

velvet donkey posted:

If you don't like Jess Philips you are a Marxist.

im a marxist!

whats a marxist?

velvet donkey posted:

I'm no telling you   

rumours abound that Amber  'i havent got a clue what im doing here'  Rudd is about to resign

she can take theresa may with her

velvet donkey posted:

It's called The Labour Party.

 

If they deselect use a Purdey.

 

The world's finest gun.

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

Marc Wadsworth said absolutley nothing anti semitic and those  labour MP's making a a show of themselves marching with Ruth Smeeth need to be deselected ...these people should cross the floor because they are more Tory than the Tories.  

 

 

We are fed far right propaganda constantly and people are so stupid to believe, read or watch it. I work at a private club which is owned by Daily Mail readers, I constantly hear the N word, anyone unmarried with a child is a scrounger, unemployed people are scum of the earth and Trump is fabulous. 

These people are mormons and I have to smile and be polite to them, they disgust me but I have no choice but to listen to their stupid take on the world.

 

The Hostile Environment policy was a BNP suggestion...and that well known christian woman implemented it along with her go home vans. I have no faith, I have however more humanity in my toenail than Theresa May. 

 

 

Let's take the BBC, Alison Fuller Pedley who is responsible for the Question time audience and a far right supporter. This woman has invited far right groups to be guests on QT including EDL , Nigel Farage has made 33 appearances ...this week for instance. 

 

 

 

this is the lovely Jonathan Jennings

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/...nelli-court-14549873

 

Time we all stopped paying the BBC our license fee, it's a disgusting mouthpiece for a far right government that is corrupt to its very core..

In all my years I've never met a left winger who was antisemitic - critic of Israeli policy (and Saudi policy) certainly but a 'Jew hater' absolutely not.  Certainly there exists in the left (and right for that matter) an opinion that world wide capitalist exploitation can be exemplified by certain 'amoral/internationalist' Jewish concerns but that sentiment is more likely to come from the popularist right wing and opposed by the left as a scapegoating antisemitic trope.   That is, according to right wing popularism, "If the Jews weren't 'running capitalism' capitalism would be so much more benevolent" - firstly, they don't and secondly, like **** it would be!

However, almost every Tory voter I've met in my life has been a racist or at the very least, having some animosity towards immigrants.  Seriously, I've never met a Tory voter who was prepared to acknowledge any positives among immigrants.

Maybe it's where I live but that is my honest experience that I've never met a Tory voter who didn't have a strong axe to grind against some non-white ethnic group.  

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

Marc Wadsworth said absolutley nothing anti semitic and those  labour MP's making a a show of themselves marching with Ruth Smeeth need to be deselected ...these people should cross the floor because they are more Tory than the Tories.  

 

 

We are fed far right propaganda constantly and people are so stupid to believe, read or watch it. I work at a private club which is owned by Daily Mail readers, I constantly hear the N word, anyone unmarried with a child is a scrounger, unemployed people are scum of the earth and Trump is fabulous. 

These people are mormons and I have to smile and be polite to them, they disgust me but I have no choice but to listen to their stupid take on the world.

 

The Hostile Environment policy was a BNP suggestion...and that well known christian woman implemented it along with her go home vans. I have no faith, I have however more humanity in my toenail than Theresa May. 

 

 

Let's take the BBC, Alison Fuller Pedley who is responsible for the Question time audience and a far right supporter. This woman has invited far right groups to be guests on QT including EDL , Nigel Farage has made 33 appearances ...this week for instance. 

 

 

 

this is the lovely Jonathan Jennings

 

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/...nelli-court-14549873

 

Time we all stopped paying the BBC our license fee, it's a disgusting mouthpiece for a far right government that is corrupt to its very core..

The problem with the BBC is it is beholden to the government of the day. The problem with the government of the day is it is beholden to the Daily Mail and the Sun.  Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre.  

Blair slavishly pandered to the right wing editorials of the Sun and Daily Mail.  Now the Tories are in power, every time the BBC shows any hint of objectivity it is pulled to pieces by Tory ministers and the right wing rags as a Labour mouthpiece. 

With the Tories hanging funding over the BBC's head, the BBC is cowed into favouring the Tories and giving them a free ride especially as the print media is heavily biased to the Tories it demands the BBC do likewise to be (in their judgement) 'impartial'.

Carnelian posted

 

However, almost every Tory voter I've met in my life has been a racist or at the very least, having some animosity towards immigrants.  Seriously, I've never met a Tory voter who was prepared to acknowledge any positives among immigrants.

 

Maybe it's where I live but that is my honest experience that I've never met a Tory voter who didn't have a strong axe to grind against some non-white ethnic group.  

 

 

I honestly do feel very sorry for you, Carnelian ... I say that with no sarcasm whatsoever, I genuinely do think it must be horrible to live in such a toxic environment

“Bitterness is like a cancer , it consumes its host” . Maya Angelou 

I normally try to not get too involved in political discussion of any depth or intensity, but I had to drop this in. I have just seen a news report where Diane Abbott was criticising Amber Rudd for not knowing her facts. It made me laugh out loud at the hypocrisy as I recalled that fantastic event where Diane herself had a super-meltdown trying to get her head around a series of financial questions in the process getting it spectacularly wrong.

...and before you think this is a Tory having a pop at Labour, think again, this is just a point about hypocrisy. 

Over and out of here .....>

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:

 

I normally try to not get too involved in political discussion of any depth or intensity, but I had to drop this in. I have just seen a news report where Diane Abbott was criticising Amber Rudd for not knowing her facts. It made me laugh out loud at the hypocrisy as I recalled that fantastic event where Diane herself had a super-meltdown trying to get her head around a series of financial questions in the process getting it spectacularly wrong.

 

...and before you think this is a Tory having a pop at Labour, think again, this is just a point about hypocrisy. 

 

Over and out of here .....>

 

dianne abbott got her numbers wrong after about 8 early morning interviews..amber rudd purposely is sending legit British citizens to a country that some have never been to..even after they have lived here or been born here & paid taxes here

HUGE difference

Just to make it clear...I have Conservative friends that are definitely not racist and I know working class would be Labour voters that naively are and read to much S*N. I should have made my post clearer, I omitted to say the amount of  press coverage of Corbyn being anti semitic is clearly meant for one purpose and one purpose only. I have never in all my years in The labour Party seen anything anti semitic ..I have seen criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and have criticised them myself...that doesn't make me or any other person anti semitic. 

As for Diane, she had 8 interviews and was told to take a break due to her diabetes, the woman was ill. She wasn't deporting legal immigrants, go read Diane Abboy's twitter if you want to look at real racism...or Guido Fawkes the Tory bloggers forum. The same week Philip Hammond and Michael Gove got their figures wrong, hardly any of it reported.

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

Just to make it clear...I have Conservative friends that are definitely not racist and I know working class would be Labour voters that naively are and read to much S*N. I should have made my post clearer, I omitted to say the amount of  press coverage of Corbyn being anti semitic is clearly meant for one purpose and one purpose only. I have never in all my years in The labour Party seen anything anti semitic ..I have seen criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and have criticised them myself...that doesn't make me or any other person anti semitic. 

As for Diane, she had 8 interviews and was told to take a break due to her diabetes, the woman was ill. She wasn't deporting legal immigrants, go read Diane Abboy's twitter if you want to look at real racism...or Guido Fawkes the Tory bloggers forum. The same week Philip Hammond and Michael Gove got their figures wrong, hardly any of it reported.

Dame Ann Average, that's fine, but that's my honest experience of Tory voters is that most of them are racist in one way or another.  Anecdotal but in my experience, I've met more racist Tories than non-racist Tories.  Usually being 'concerned about immigration' but that concern is usually rooted in something more prejudicial when you scratch the surface - like 'grooming gangs', 'terrorists', 'gang/knife drug culture'.  These minorities are frequently presented by as representative of the whole.  If you are predisposed to do that on racial lines, then you're a racist.

I suppose if racists are allowed to say, "I'm prejudiced because I've seen this, this, this, in my experience" then I'm allowed to state that most Tories I've met have been unapologetic racists.  Maybe I've just been unlucky!

Rexi posted:

Carnelian posted

 

However, almost every Tory voter I've met in my life has been a racist or at the very least, having some animosity towards immigrants.  Seriously, I've never met a Tory voter who was prepared to acknowledge any positives among immigrants.

 

Maybe it's where I live but that is my honest experience that I've never met a Tory voter who didn't have a strong axe to grind against some non-white ethnic group.  

 

 

I honestly do feel very sorry for you, Carnelian ... I say that with no sarcasm whatsoever, I genuinely do think it must be horrible to live in such a toxic environment

Not horrible, but just annoying.  Most are racists in the way that they're not going around marching, abusing anyone or beating anyone up, they just wouldn't want a their neighbour to be, say a Muslim or if they were hiring, they would hire a white even if their CV showed less appropriate experience.

Fair enough, but I'm being honest.  Maybe I mix in dodgy circles and yes, to reply to DAA I have known Labour voters who were racist too but I've never met any that were antisemitic.  They will exist somewhere, I have no doubt, and I know the type of left wing politics that breeds them but it's not the 'thing' the media is claiming it is and I do seriously think that racism among Tories is vastly more common, unofficially tolerated and even tacitly supported.

I thought this was supposed to stop immediately   Mp's are tweeting this and the Guardian are reporting it. more lies 

I'll just leave this here 

UK residents are being threatened with deportation on a charter flight to Jamaica despite the government’s repeated assurances over the Windrush scandal.

A 63-year-old grandmother who has been held in Yarl’s Wood immigration removal centre for nine months is among those told she will be put on the plane alongside an unknown number of fellow deportees.

Yvonne Smith, who has been diagnosed with diabetes since her arrival at the notorious facility, had lived in Birmingham while caring for her 92-year-old father.

He arrived in 1957 as one of thousands of Windrush migrants, but Ms Smith moved to Britain two decades ago after her grandmother died in Jamaica. 

“I have no one there, I have nowhere to go, I would be on the streets,”

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

I'll just leave this here 

 

UK residents are being threatened with deportation on a charter flight to Jamaica despite the government’s repeated assurances over the Windrush scandal.

A 63-year-old grandmother who has been held in Yarl’s Wood immigration removal centre for nine months is among those told she will be put on the plane alongside an unknown number of fellow deportees.

Yvonne Smith, who has been diagnosed with diabetes since her arrival at the notorious facility, had lived in Birmingham while caring for her 92-year-old father.

He arrived in 1957 as one of thousands of Windrush migrants, but Ms Smith moved to Britain two decades ago after her grandmother died in Jamaica. 

“I have no one there, I have nowhere to go, I would be on the streets,”

   It's awful  

And this from a government that say they want to change things.  Caring government, they stand together with those who are just getting by, they're on their side.  They're not where I stand....believe me 

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

Kaytee posted:

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

Couldn’t have put it better myself 

Kaytee posted:

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

theresa may secretly removed their rights as home sec

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

I'll just leave this here 

 

UK residents are being threatened with deportation on a charter flight to Jamaica despite the government’s repeated assurances over the Windrush scandal.

A 63-year-old grandmother who has been held in Yarl’s Wood immigration removal centre for nine months is among those told she will be put on the plane alongside an unknown number of fellow deportees.

Yvonne Smith, who has been diagnosed with diabetes since her arrival at the notorious facility, had lived in Birmingham while caring for her 92-year-old father.

He arrived in 1957 as one of thousands of Windrush migrants, but Ms Smith moved to Britain two decades ago after her grandmother died in Jamaica. 

“I have no one there, I have nowhere to go, I would be on the streets,”

Bottom line is that May should resign.  If she had any decency about her, she'd have refused Amber Rudd's resignation and resigned herself.  Amber Rudd lied but she did so doing her boss's bidding.  May was Home Secretary at that time and she is wholly responsible for what's transpired. 

By accepting Rudd's resignation it proves that May is a power hungry amoral **** who has no other desire than power for its own sake.

I despise May as politician who puts her own ambition and career above intrinsic ethical values.

 Why hasn't Theresa May resigned?

These scandals seem to come one after the other and i'm wondering what's next?

I often ponder why politicians run the country - or if they should at all.

Most seem drive by power and personal belief rather what's genuinely good for the nation

Kaytee posted:

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

tories ordering their MP's not to vote to disclose the windrush scandal papers..move along ..nothing to see here

ps

david blunkett new labour AKA tory lite

dont even bother coming up with tories are not racist..its a proven FACT

pirate1111 posted:

Kaytee posted:

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

tories ordering their MP's not to vote to disclose the windrush scandal papers..move along ..nothing to see here

 

ps

 

david blunkett new labour AKA tory lite

 

dont even bother coming up with tories are not racist..its a proven FACT

pirate1111 posted:

pirate1111 posted:

Kaytee posted:

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

tories ordering their MP's not to vote to disclose the windrush scandal papers..move along ..nothing to see here

 

ps

 

david blunkett new labour AKA tory lite

 

dont even bother coming up with tories are not racist..its a proven FACT

I doubt those Tories are even alive now Pirate  , let alone in the government ......and I could just take offence at being constantly called racist because I vote a different way to some of you ....only I can’t be ....to put it politely ....bothered  

Oh and maybe I should start shouting discrimination ....

pirate1111 posted:

Kaytee posted:

This Windrush thing goes back to when people from ALL colonies came here....no government bothered to cement their rights in law

making life tough for illegal immigrants was a policy of one David Blunkett

all Conservative voters are racist are they?......bollocks!

every government dept and all business has targets

thats it

tories ordering their MP's not to vote to disclose the windrush scandal papers..move along ..nothing to see here

 

ps

 

david blunkett new labour AKA tory lite

 

dont even bother coming up with tories are not racist..its a proven FACT

Proven fact!......well you obviously know what half the nation think.....a great gift,you're very lucky to have it.....actually I can't be arsed to reply to such sweeping statements.....as you seem to know best

Baz posted:.....and I could just take offence at being constantly called racist just because I vote a different way to some of you ....only I can’t be ....to put it politely ....bothered  

Aye, am with you there Bazzer

Rexi posted:

Baz posted:.....and I could just take offence at being constantly called racist just because I vote a different way to some of you ....only I can’t be ....to put it politely ....bothered  

Aye, am with you there Bazzer

As am I 

ahhh blanked my text..you get the message though yeah?

now piss off