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And as for 'poor Simon, there is nothing poor about him and I would wager every penny I have that he has colluded with Louis Walsh in putting the twins through. Like them or not, they are raking in the viewers each week - more money for poor Simon
 Not really... think about it this way. The X-Factor gets about 13million viewers. Say half of them vote (and I'd say that's optimistic)... that's 6.5million. Those votes will be split between the acts, so the more acts there are, the less each will make in terms of a percentage, maybe down to just several hundred thousand per act...

Now, the winner will obviously end up signing for Simon's label, and they will put out singles and an album. The more successful acts, the ones who win based on actually being good, could end up selling 10million plus albums. The least successful ones, the Leon Jackson's of the world, would only have a few hundred thousand sales (I looked into it and he sold less than 200,000 copies of his album).

If you were Simon, would you rather have your money from the votes for the winner PLUS the revenue from 10million album sales, or would you settle for the money from the votes plus the revenue from a flopped album...

It's a simple choice really.
disley21
disley21 have to admit that your post is a bit over my head(my inability to grasp revenues etc) but thanks for the response and you obviously know your stuff way bettter than me.

I still stand by my opinion that  Simon Cowell has colluded with Louis is pushing the twins forward. They are tv gold and irrespective of who wins (which they surely won't) he is in a win, win situation. Money from the voters each week, the winners contract and the possibility of selling 10 million albums as you suggest.
( The aim of my response to Hickey was to establish once and for all that the votes cannot be made from Ireland for the twins, its getting on my nerves that Ireland and in turn the Irish are to blame for their success)
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 261 Forum PostsToday at 12:46 (Edited: )
Hickey just to let you know the Irish, that is Irish people from the Republic of Ireland CANNOT vote for the twins from Ireland. It is not possible. Any votes the twins receive are coming from the United Kingdom. And as for 'poor Simon, there is nothing poor about him and I would wager every penny I have that he has colluded with Louis Walsh in putting the twins through. Like them or not, they are raking in the viewers each week - more revenue for the coffers of Cowell
Didn't realise all the votes where from the UK, that seems soft, why can't they vote from over the water?Mind you there's a lot of Irish people over here anyway, but the Twins must have a lot of fans somewhere then. But don't think Simon would want them to win, it would be a massive embarassment to him, he wouldn't be able to show his face on the planet again would he?
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I thought it was meant to be a singing programme?
But it's not just about singing though - it's intended to find someone who has the 'X factor' which I interpret to be more than just raw singing ability.  I think the public expect there to also be a bit of likeability or a spark of personality.  I think that was where Rachel came unstuck. I think the right two contestants were in the final two this week, but the public weren't voting for Rachel because of her unfortunate attitude, which was borne out on Sunday when she proved herself to be one of the worst losers I have ever seen on a programme like this.
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 1113 Forum PostsToday at 13:47 (Edited: )  But it's not just about singing though - it's intended to find someone who has the 'X factor' which I interpret to be more than just raw singing ability. I think the public expect there to also be a bit of likeability or a spark of personality. I think that was where Rachel came unstuck. I think the right two contestants were in the final two this week, but the public weren't voting for Rachel because of her unfortunate attitude, which was borne out on Sunday when she proved herself to be one of the worst losers I have ever seen on a programme like this.
I'm not sure what type of program it is any more.

They are looking for the X-Factor, which is really the Xtra factor.
But because the promoters only have record labels I don't see how they can use an act that doesn't make it's money from singing.They have nowhere to put the Twins.



Stars in your eyes, and Britains got talent was for the other more versatile acts wasn't it?
Hicky

Is X Factor voting system broken?

After yet another deadlock on Sunday’s elimination sing-off between Rachel Adedeji and Lloyd Daniels, is the X Factor voting system in need of an overhaul?

03 November 2009 13:29 PM

Is X Factor voting system broken?

By Michael MacLennan

After yet another deadlock on Sunday’s elimination sing-off, is the X Factor voting system in need of an overhaul?

Rachel Adedeji and Lloyd Daniels found themselves in the bottom two at the weekend, both then in the usual position of having to sing another song to prove their worth and remain in The X Factor for at least another week.

As has happened several times in the past since the judging line-up was expanded to four members, there was a deadlock.

The deciding vote came down to head honcho Simon Cowell, with it at that point 2-1 in favour of Lloyd being sent home. However, he said he “wanted the public to decide” and voted for Rachel to be sent home, knowing that the person with the least phone votes would get the heave ho.

That was despite Cowell on previous occasions saying that he’d judge sing-offs based on the contestant’s performance, and admitting that Rachel’s effort on the Sunday night was by far the superior of the two (though Lloyd was suffering from a sore throat).

So does this show that the X Factor judges can take the easy way out, knowing that if they draw at two each then it comes down to the public vote, thus sparing them any blame for the decision? Hmm, surely not...

There’s three obvious problems with a voting structure that can lead to this situation: firstly, it can make the judges’ reasoning for their choices seem like a sham, giving whatever explanation they need to to absolve themselves of responsibility. Just see Simon’s explanation on Sunday, which seemed to go against his usual rationale for making a decision out of the bottom two.

Secondly, it makes the actual sing-off irrelevant, as the phone vote is closed before the final two announced. The public at home may have been swayed by the performances on Sunday night but have no way of registering it. You could certainly imagine that being the case in the Rachel vs Lloyd sing-off.

Also, who they would prefer out of the two isn’t registered - somebody could be more generally liked as a second or third favourite, which doesn’t count when it comes to picking up the phone and registering a single vote.

And thirdly, the more cynically worried might imagine the judges knowing the results of the phone vote before they make their decisions. Any such accusations could, of course, damage the integrity of the show.

So how can this problem be fixed? There could be an additional judge - perhaps a guest judge for the week, for instance those musical icons appearing on the show to give the contestants advice on the Saturday.

Oh, and instead of coming down to the public vote, perhaps the live X Factor audience could be used to have a studio vote to decide who deserves to stay.

Or perhaps the result of the phone vote can be announced first, and used as a single “vote”? That way there would again be no way for their to be a deadlock, with five votes cast. (Well, unless one of the judges flounce off of course...)

Hicky
Simon does say that he likes to judge them on performance, but he's a business man as well, and it goes back to what I was talking about on the last page.

Rachel was the best of the two in the sing-off, but it was the third time in four shows that she'd been in there. That has to send off alarm bells in Simon's head, and he probably thought that despite Rachel being better, she's not getting any public support, and he has no interest in anybody that isn't in any way marketable...

So he took it to the public, where he probably knew that Rachel was going to have the least votes out of the two due to Lloyd having the teenage girl market voting for him, and Rachel having limited support...
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Cowell donates to critically ill tot

Music mogul Simon Cowell has shed his 'Mr Nasty' image for good by stepping in to save a critically ill child.

The American Idol judge, known for his caustic comments and scathing reviews of contestants, recently showed off his softer side by signing up to become patron of Children Hospices U.K, a charity which helps sick kids.

The star was moved by the plight of 19-month-old Sophie Atay, who has been diagnosed with a rare, aggressive cancer known as neuroblastoma.

The tot's parents have been trying to raise ÂĢ500,000 to send Sophie to New York to receive specialist treatment, and when Cowell heard of the appeal, he stepped in with a pledge to top up the money to make sure they hit their target.

Cowell's protegee, former The X Factor winner Alexandra Burke, broke the news to Sophie's mother Karine, telling her in a phone call, "I've spoken to Simon and he's going to put the rest of the money that you need towards it to give her the treatment. I really hope that she's OK and that she can go over there and fight it."

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Simon does say that he likes to judge them on performance, but he's a business man as well, and it goes back to what I was talking about on the last page. Rachel was the best of the two in the sing-off, but it was the third time in four shows that she'd been in there. That has to send off alarm bells in Simon's head, and he probably thought that despite Rachel being better, she's not getting any public support, and he has no interest in anybody that isn't in any way marketable... So he took it to the public, where he probably knew that Rachel was going to have the least votes out of the two due to Lloyd having the teenage girl market voting for him, and Rachel having limited support...
That's how I saw it as well.Simon knew there was no future in keeping Rachel, if the fans aren't there, thats it, it's all over.
Simon knew that although Lloyd had a cold and was singing awful, he at least might get votes off the girls next week which Rachel would never get.
Hicky

X Factor's Danyl Johnson blames last minute key change for poor performance

Danyl Johnson crying [Pic: Rex Features)

X Factor’s Danyl Johnson has blamed a last minute key change for his poor performance on Saturday’s show.

The 27-year-old broke down in tears moments after stepping off stage having sang Aerosmith’s Don’t Wanna Miss A Thing for the rock themed show.

Danyl, upset by press reports over bullying claims, had to be comforted by Sinitta as he wept uncontrollably after his poor performance which saw him struggle to sing in key.

After composing himself Danyl explained that he had been “lost between two keys” after the last minute decision to change the song key.

He also added that he couldn’t hear the music very well. Danyl explained: “I couldn’t hear the music in the beginning at all.  I couldn’t hear a single word.

“I just couldn’t find where I was in the song and they changed the key and stuff so I was just lost between two keys. I just didn’t know where to go. I’m really upset.

Judge Louis Walsh said that Danyl’s performance was “a good reality check” for the singer.”
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Why do they change the key at the last minute?
Surely they have had all week to sort that out.

And why can't he hear the music, thought they used to have ear phones on so they can hear the beat/music.
How can they sing when they can't hear it?

I thought he looked a bit lost, no wonder.

Hicky

X Factor boyband JLS say girls can be a handful, but they're never unwanted

JLS [pic: Getty)

 Boyband JLS said some female fans can be a real handful after a girl made a lunge down one of the group's trousers.

In less than a year the X Factor runners-up have clocked up an army of female admirers - but sometimes there is a price to pay for stardom.

JLS's Marvin Humes said: "I was in a club and this girl put her hands down my trousers. I thought that's a bit strange.

"I was like 'You can't do that! If I did that to you, I would probably get put in prison'." But fellow band member Aston Merrygold made light of the situation: "He went 'ooooh!'. Female attention is never unwanted, listen, there are more perks than there are disadvantages."

But Jonathan "JB" Gill warned: "You've got to be careful because there are people out there who want to exploit you and take advantage of you but you've just got to steer clear of them and notice the warning signs."

And he reckons there is safety in numbers: "We're lucky because there are four of us so it's not so difficult for us as it is for a solo artist."

Group founder Oritse Williams said there was one female fan he was happy to meet - Dame Judi Dench.

He said: "We were at the Bond premiere and she just came up to us and said 'Guys, I love you'. It feels unreal, she's like movie royalty.

"Dame Judi Dench has just come up to us and said 'I love you'. I mean do you know how much we love her, it's so surreal. We're just very fortunate."

JLS's second single Everybody in Love was released this week and their self-titled first album JLS hits the shops on November 9.

Hicky
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Rachel has confirmed that Danyl was being nasty to Stacey by reading out to her the horrible things people were saying about her because she is on the show and isn't at home looking after her little boy.
Thats not what she says in her DS interview. I've even read what Danyl's mom had to say on there also. I think it's a bunch of lies by the press not just because I like Danyl if he did do it., don't you think the producers would know by now and boot him out and asked Stacey Solomon herself by now?.



Brian may praises Jedward, so much for Simon's comment about Queen.



rock god brian may backs the x factor twins
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Rachel Adedeji tells all about X Factor romances

X Factor's Rachel Adedeji has admitted that are arguments among the finalists despite them all claiming that they get along. She also revealed that some of the lads were desperate for some love in the house, according to reports.

03 November 2009 09:46 AM

Rachel Adedeji tells all about X Factor romances

X Factor's Rachel Adedeji has admitted that are arguments among the finalists despite them all claiming that they get along. She also revealed that some of the lads were desperate for some love in the house, according to reports.

Rachel confirmed that Danyl had upset Stacey Solomon by reading out hurtful press cuttings about her being a bad mother for leaving her young son at home with his grandmother.

She told the Daily Star: "Stacey and Danyl had a quarrel. When you live together with a load of people there will be clashes. It happens.

"We are all on our own in this contest, we are not a group. Everyone has their own friends."

The singer added that some of the boys in the house were looking for some love but claimed that they were getting the brush off from all the girls.

She revealed: "People thought Lucie loved Lloyd, but that's not happening. She wasn't interested.

"And there was a story that Olly loved Stacey. But he looks like her step-brother. It's not happening."

When asked who she would like to see win the show, she said: "Joe, Stacey, The Twins, Afro or Olly."

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Last updated: 03 November 2009, 09:46

Hicky

Same Difference back John & Edward

Tuesday, November 3 2009, 18:26 GMT

By Daniel Kilkelly, Entertainment Reporter

Former X Factor stars Same Difference have spoken out in support of controversial twins John and Edward.

Band member Sean Smith told Live From Studio Five that the Dublin-born brothers are proving popular with voters because they have individuality.

He explained: "I think they're a good laugh every time. I just think they're all much of a muchness, the other guys, and then all of a sudden they come on and it just seems to light up the screen and puts a smile on your face. What more do you want on a Saturday night?"

Meanwhile, his sibling and fellow singer Sarah said that she understands how the duo must be feeling after facing criticism from the show's panel every week.

She revealed: "Every week we were struggling to get through. We always felt we were not the public's favourites - we were always being told by Louis [Walsh], 'You're awful'.

"It was really, really difficult. The first few weeks, Louis would absolutely slate us. I'd come off and I'd feel like crying. As the weeks went on, it became a joke in the end. We just thought, 'He's never going to like us'."

John and Edward have never been in the bottom two to date, despite dividing viewers and being slated by Simon Cowell.

Hicky

Even Danyl's own mum doesn't want him to win The X Factor

Before we get into the meaty bit of this story, can we just point out that this picture was taken yesterday. Yes, Danyl's still going round like a Shipwrecked reject (rather than a future X Factor reject) in those blasted cropped jeans and flip-flops, while the rest of us are wrapped up in duffel coats (pink ones, like Lily Allen). We know you're hot, Danyl, you don't have to keep reminding us that you're quite literally so smokin' that you  exist in a different climate to everyone else.

And now to the matter at hand. Danyl Johnson's mum Marie (classic mum name) says that she's not sure she wants her darling son to win the show - but not because she thinks he's crap (now, that would be funny), but because everyone's been so mean about him. "Part of me wants to tell him to forget the whole thing," she says, all sweet and protective and stuff. "He’s bigger than this one programme and the way he’s been vilified isn’t fair."

Marie also says that Danyl isn't a bully - but has blabbed a little bit about the speculation that he's been picking on Stacey Solomon. "I know that they had a bit of a spat at the Whitney Houston masterclass, over nothing really," she reveals, which we're very grateful for since the contestants themselves would have us believe that it's one big love-in. "It’s a stressful environment. Danyl’s had nothing but praise for Stacey – and we all think she’s a lovely girl."

Unfortunately Marie has neglected to speak out on the real issue everyone wants to know about - the cropped jeans, obviously, not his sexuality. Nobody gives a monkey's about that.

Hicky

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