http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/e...2/Shankill_Butchers/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers
There was a documentary on BBC last night about these terrible atrocities carried out by this group of murdering scumbags from the Shankhill dubbed the 'Shankhill Butchers'. This is probably one of the most gruesome cases of violence carried out during the troubles in Northern Ireland. Did any one else see it?
*This is not a political debate and I don't want it to turn into a slanging match just a discussion purely on the topic is question.
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It all seems pretty pointless to me. Maybe our grandchildren will find out exactly what happened, because we won't.
Obviously atrocities were carried out by all five sides. (or however many there were)
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
It all seems pretty pointless to me. Maybe our grandchildren will find out exactly what happened, because we won't. Obviously atrocities were carried out by all five sides. (or however many there were)
What are you talking about?
I didn`t see it RR. I`ll watch it on i.player, if I can stomach it.
Better than the human centipede then!!
I saw it advertised but couldn't watch it. I'd have smashed my TV in 
But I am glad the British media are beginning to highlight what was going on.
Its absolutley astonishing that all the convicted Butchers have been set free, it said 9 are believed to be walking the streets on N. Ireland. How there were almost hero style funerals for Murphy, Bates and Moore is unbelievable. With Murphy's head stone reading 'Here lies a Soldier' absolutley sickening.
Just back from picking up the grandson!
Now! What was I on about?
I've studied this biz for a few decades and it's obvious the major players have been........ Various government agencies, various army departments, and agents of other lands, as well as various dumb scratter groups such as the Nationalist and Loyalist paramilitaries.
We won't find out what exactly happened due to the secrecy surrounding the events.
I think the south Africans set the agenda for forgiving and forgetting. That's probably why some miscreants may be walking the streets, standing for public office, or being ministers.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
Just back from picking up the grandson! Now! What was I on about? I've studied this biz for a few decades and it's obvious the major players have been........ Various government agencies, various army departments, and agents of other lands, as well as various dumb scratter groups such as the Nationalist and Loyalist paramilitaries. We won't find out what exactly happened due to the secrecy surrounding the events.
We're edging closer to finding out though. BBC are increasingly showing more of these types of documentaries, highlighting the side of the Irish Nationalist/Catholic that no one wanted to listen to before.
The British Government have issued two apologies so far for Bloody Sunday and one as late as yesterday relating to the killing of a catholic school girl by a british soldier. So yes, in one respect whilst the full truth maybe taking some time to come out, at least there waves being made and misguided accounts that we all knew were totally wrong, are now being changed.
Originally Posted by Temps:
The British Government have issued two apologies so far for Bloody Sunday and one as late as yesterday relating to the killing of a catholic school girl by a british soldier. So yes, in one respect whilst the full truth maybe taking some time to come out, at least there waves being made and misguided accounts that we all knew were totally wrong, are now being changed.
The Irish Government have also requested an apology for the original Bloody Sunday as well.
HMG should take a leaf out of the IRA playbook. They made a generic, shit happens, apology as long ago as 2002. Our government should be big enough to do the same and draw a line under this dreadful set of events.
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
HMG should take a leaf out of the IRA playbook. They made a generic, shit happens, apology as long ago as 2002. Our government should be big enough to do the same and draw a line under this dreadful set of events.
The Government have more to do than merely apologise but, they have to clear peoples names who were initially treated as criminals but were unarmed when killed.
No! I'm sure a blanket apology would suffice. Call me old fashioned but I'm sure that the children killed in the bombing in Warrington weren't armed either. That's just one example.
Lots of wrongdoing by all sides IMO. Apologise. Move on.