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Originally Posted by Carnelian:

I don't pay any attention to that figure.  It doesn't factor in a load of royal related expenses, such as security and many other things under a threshold.

 

Even if it cost ÂĢ0.01 per year, the principle of inherited unearned privilege and status is one I find repugnant.

 

People who support the monarchy have no business criticising benefit scroungers.

Carnelian - stop being such a cumudgeon

FM
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-13231282

 

That should link you directly to the pic.

 

Be warned....it's not a pretty sight.

 

Edit - It links you to a series of picyures, you'll have to trawl through a few to get to the one of Anne - it's number 14.

Oh thanks for the link.  I think

She has ruined purple for me now  

 

And Victoria Beckham??  For a woman who is seen a style icon and has her own range of clothing you'd think she'd have found something a little more flattering and a little less drab!

 

I love the ridiculous hats though

Ells
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
You wanna have a good trawl through our national economic scandals mate. The National Health Computer. I'll leave that one with you.

Pah, remember when they ransomed Richard the so-called Lionheart?  You may not, as it was some time ago.  It cost 2 to 3 times the entire annual income of the Crown to get that idiot, crusading git back.  And in those days, the Crown was the GDP!

 

Makes the bank bailouts look like small change.

 

Anyway, neither the Tories nor Labour have anything but dire records in IT projects.  I don't think the NHS computer was a scandal as such, just a gravy train with consultants running rings round senior civil servants and MPs who didn't know what they were doing.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Issy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

I don't pay any attention to that figure.  It doesn't factor in a load of royal related expenses, such as security and many other things under a threshold.

 

Even if it cost ÂĢ0.01 per year, the principle of inherited unearned privilege and status is one I find repugnant.

 

People who support the monarchy have no business criticising benefit scroungers.

Carnelian - stop being such a cumudgeon

Curmudgeonly and cantankerous if you don't mind!  And some might say something else being with a 'c' - 'commoner' of course!

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
You wanna have a good trawl through our national economic scandals mate. The National Health Computer. I'll leave that one with you.

yeeeeah.....  no denying that one!

 

I worked on one of the early phase projects for the NHS IT initiative...   (the booked admissions project)...    even we knew it was never gonna work... but they kept on throwing more money at it...  getting PA Consulting in on it...     etc etc...     tis a scandal! 

Dirtyprettygirlthing
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Issy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

I don't pay any attention to that figure.  It doesn't factor in a load of royal related expenses, such as security and many other things under a threshold.

 

Even if it cost ÂĢ0.01 per year, the principle of inherited unearned privilege and status is one I find repugnant.

 

People who support the monarchy have no business criticising benefit scroungers.

Carnelian - stop being such a cumudgeon

Curmudgeonly and cantankerous if you don't mind!  And some might say something else being with a 'c' - 'commoner' of course!

No - you are just a grumpy old man, and that is absolutely fine.

FM
Originally Posted by EllaBella:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-13231282

 

That should link you directly to the pic.

 

Be warned....it's not a pretty sight.

 

Edit - It links you to a series of picyures, you'll have to trawl through a few to get to the one of Anne - it's number 14.

Oh thanks for the link.  I think

She has ruined purple for me now  

 

And Victoria Beckham??  For a woman who is seen a style icon and has her own range of clothing you'd think she'd have found something a little more flattering and a little less drab!

 

I love the ridiculous hats though

Did she wear a little black dress and pout through it like an attention seeking bored teenager?  Did he get another crappy tat to honour the occasion?  Shame Geri wasn't there, she could have worn her union flag dress and been a stand in for Fergie.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Issy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Issy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

I don't pay any attention to that figure.  It doesn't factor in a load of royal related expenses, such as security and many other things under a threshold.

 

Even if it cost ÂĢ0.01 per year, the principle of inherited unearned privilege and status is one I find repugnant.

 

People who support the monarchy have no business criticising benefit scroungers.

Carnelian - stop being such a cumudgeon

Curmudgeonly and cantankerous if you don't mind!  And some might say something else being with a 'c' - 'commoner' of course!

No - you are just a grumpy old man, and that is absolutely fine.

grumpy? I'll be the life and soul come the republican revolution!

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
You wanna have a good trawl through our national economic scandals mate. The National Health Computer. I'll leave that one with you.

yeeeeah.....  no denying that one!

 

I worked on one of the early phase projects for the NHS IT initiative...   (the booked admissions project)...    even we knew it was never gonna work... but they kept on throwing more money at it...  getting PA Consulting in on it...     etc etc...     tis a scandal! 

I've seen enough 'steering groups' with their oars pointed in opposite directions and good money for old rope chucked at consultants in the private sector to imagine what it's like when the consultants smell a public sector gravy train trundling by. 

Carnelian
Originally Posted by EllaBella:

And Victoria Beckham??  For a woman who is seen a style icon and has her own range of clothing you'd think she'd have found something a little more flattering and a little less drab!

 

I love the ridiculous hats though

I was prepared to cut her some slack. I think she's at the "I feel effing awful" stage of pregnancy.   Bit bloody hellfire - those HEELS!!!!

Cariad
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Pah, remember when they ransomed Richard the so-called Lionheart?  You may not, as it was some time ago.  It cost 2 to 3 times the entire annual income of the Crown to get that idiot, crusading git back.  And in those days, the Crown was the GDP!

Richard Mummy's Boy Spoiled Brat y'mean? Love Eleanor of Aquitaine but she did him no favours...why he's considered such a brilliant bloody king I don't know given he spent less than a year in England out of a ten year reign. Then when John inherited a bankrupt kingdom and had to tax to high heaven to keep the thing going he got no end of stick.

 

Sorry...I digress.

Cariad
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
You wanna have a good trawl through our national economic scandals mate. The National Health Computer. I'll leave that one with you.

yeeeeah.....  no denying that one!

 

I worked on one of the early phase projects for the NHS IT initiative...   (the booked admissions project)...    even we knew it was never gonna work... but they kept on throwing more money at it...  getting PA Consulting in on it...     etc etc...     tis a scandal! 

They've just introduced a new TrakCare system, to replace PMS. But not in Mental Health.

So much for the 'One electronic health record'. We're still going to have separate ones for MH and everything else.

 

I actually got quite excited about it - for a few moments, 'til I found out we weren't getting it in MH.

 

They've already had to install a 'patch' for it.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Prometheus:
Originally Posted by Cariad:
Originally Posted by Prometheus:

It's probably fair to say this thread is pretty much for men only as most women are already blubbing into their kleenex at the thought of the fairtytale duo taking their vows.

Calm down dear...

Poor Prom, raking that up after all the Humble Pie you've just eaten.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Cariad:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Pah, remember when they ransomed Richard the so-called Lionheart?  You may not, as it was some time ago.  It cost 2 to 3 times the entire annual income of the Crown to get that idiot, crusading git back.  And in those days, the Crown was the GDP!

Richard Mummy's Boy Spoiled Brat y'mean? Love Eleanor of Aquitaine but she did him no favours...why he's considered such a brilliant bloody king I don't know given he spent less than a year in England out of a ten year reign. Then when John inherited a bankrupt kingdom and had to tax to high heaven to keep the thing going he got no end of stick.

 

Sorry...I digress.

 

Digress away Cariad

They put a statue up of him as well!  What were they thinking?

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Prometheus:
Originally Posted by Cariad:
Originally Posted by Prometheus:

It's probably fair to say this thread is pretty much for men only as most women are already blubbing into their kleenex at the thought of the fairtytale duo taking their vows.

Calm down dear...

Poor Prom, raking that up after all the Humble Pie you've just eaten.

 

I'm a Judas to my own thread 

Prometheus
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

 

I've seen enough 'steering groups' with their oars pointed in opposite directions and good money for old rope chucked at consultants in the private sector to imagine what it's like when the consultants smell a public sector gravy train trundling by. 

Spot on!

 

they claim to not understand the sector enough to just use their own consultants.... so they headhunt the people from the public sector to come & consult for them..    so you have the same people, with the same lack of vision, alongside the odd gimp with a matrix or two, charging lots & lots of money with total lack of results.

Dirtyprettygirlthing
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

 

I've seen enough 'steering groups' with their oars pointed in opposite directions and good money for old rope chucked at consultants in the private sector to imagine what it's like when the consultants smell a public sector gravy train trundling by. 

Spot on!

 

they claim to not understand the sector enough to just use their own consultants.... so they headhunt the people from the public sector to come & consult for them..    so you have the same people, with the same lack of vision, alongside the odd gimp with a matrix or two, charging lots & lots of money with total lack of results.

First hint of a problem and there's a steering group formed to look into it.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Karma_:

I was glad to see Mrs Beckham 'dress down' for the occasion. (Although I wouldn't have called that dressed down). Today wasn't about her. If she'd turned up wearing an eyecatching clingy number she would have been criticised for trying to steal the show. I think the Beckhams got it just right.

I thought she looked like she was off to a funeral afterwards

FM
Originally Posted by Karma_:

I was glad to see Mrs Beckham 'dress down' for the occasion. (Although I wouldn't have called that dressed down). Today wasn't about her. If she'd turned up wearing an eyecatching clingy number she would have been criticised for trying to steal the show. I think the Beckhams got it just right.

 

It was great seeing Beckham smiling his face off. Every shot of him showed how happy he was to be there. Good for him, he gets so much grief all the time and I just can't understand why.

Prometheus
Originally Posted by Prometheus:
Originally Posted by Karma_:

I was glad to see Mrs Beckham 'dress down' for the occasion. (Although I wouldn't have called that dressed down). Today wasn't about her. If she'd turned up wearing an eyecatching clingy number she would have been criticised for trying to steal the show. I think the Beckhams got it just right.

 

It was great seeing Beckham smiling his face off. Every shot of him showed how happy he was to be there. Good for him, he gets so much grief all the time and I just can't understand why.

 

FM

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