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@slimfern posted:

First time seeing it (early teens) I just fell in love with the dresses
Not my favourite film, but I can see why Baz finds it so ........one big, very long and complicated love story

It wasn’t so much the love story ….I’ve always been fascinated with the 19c American South ….in fact I ended up doing my postgrad research in it .

Baz

There is an extraordinary and tragic connection between "A Canterbury Tale" and "Gone with the Wind".
Margaret Mitchell, the author of the book "Gone with the Wind" died as a result of a car accident. She was on the way to watch the Powell film "A Canterbury Tale".

That would have been the American cut of the film which was 30 minutes shorter and didn't get released there until 1949. It started with a new scene where the John Sweet character is back home in the States with his new bride and he recounts the story in flashback to her. Much of the hunt for the glue man was cut out as was one of the best scenes - the boys playing as soldiers. The bride was played by Kim Hunter who audiences then would remember her from Powell's "A Metter of Life and Death" (though then called "Stairway to Heaven" in the States).

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

There is an extraordinary and tragic connection between "A Canterbury Tale" and "Gone with the Wind".
Margaret Mitchell, the author of the book "Gone with the Wind" died as a result of a car accident. She was on the way to watch the Powell film "A Canterbury Tale".

That would have been the American cut of the film which was 30 minutes shorter and didn't get released there until 1949. It started with a new scene where the John Sweet character is back home in the States with his new bride and he recounts the story in flashback to her. Much of the hunt for the glue man was cut out as was one of the best scenes - the boys playing as soldiers. The bride was played by Kim Hunter who audiences then would remember her from Powell's "A Metter of Life and Death" (though then called "Stairway to Heaven" in the States).

I'm glad they left these scenes in
It would have been nice to see John Sweet in his home environment as he referenced it quite a bit in comparison.

As you say...tragic for the poor woman to die suddenly like that

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

I'm glad they left these scenes in
It would have been nice to see John Sweet in his home environment as he referenced it quite a bit in comparison.

As you say...tragic for the poor woman to die suddenly like that

She was crossing the street when she was hit by an off duty taxi driver

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

There is an extraordinary and tragic connection between "A Canterbury Tale" and "Gone with the Wind".
Margaret Mitchell, the author of the book "Gone with the Wind" died as a result of a car accident. She was on the way to watch the Powell film "A Canterbury Tale".

That would have been the American cut of the film which was 30 minutes shorter and didn't get released there until 1949. It started with a new scene where the John Sweet character is back home in the States with his new bride and he recounts the story in flashback to her. Much of the hunt for the glue man was cut out as was one of the best scenes - the boys playing as soldiers. The bride was played by Kim Hunter who audiences then would remember her from Powell's "A Metter of Life and Death" (though then called "Stairway to Heaven" in the States).

Awwww I didn’t realise that El….how sad .

Baz
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@El Loro posted:

I agree with you that it's not one of his better films. I've never seen "The Paradine Case" (1947) or "Under Capricorn" (1949) as they aren't considered to be that good,

Yes, Gus (William Bendix) is the character holding the newspaper whose leg was amputated

Have just finished watching this one....I quite liked it
It didn't have the usual Hitchcock suspense but was a good story.

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Have just finished watching this one....I quite liked it
It didn't have the usual Hitchcock suspense but was a good story.

Although Ingrid Bergman and Joseph Cotten have been in better Hitchcock films, the third lead, Michael Wilding, is not someone I think of as being a Hitchcock actor. He was in 7 of the Anna Neagle films directed by her husband Herbert Wilcox. I saw some of those many years ago on television. Their films were very popular back in the 1940s & 50s but they are very dated. The films get shown on Talking Pictures but I can't recommend any of them.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Although Ingrid Bergman and Joseph Cotten have been in better Hitchcock films, the third lead, Michael Wilding, is not someone I think of as being a Hitchcock actor. He was in 7 of the Anna Neagle films directed by her husband Herbert Wilcox. I saw some of those many years ago on television. Their films were very popular back in the 1940s & 50s but they are very dated. The films get shown on Talking Pictures but I can't recommend any of them.

It was different to other Hitchcock films I've seen as it was set in an Australian penal colony, not a modern day (modern in the time his films were made) setting.

I can remember vaguely watching 'Odette' with Anna Neagle and Peter Ustinov ....have never been keen on films that centre around wars though tbh.

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

It was different to other Hitchcock films I've seen as it was set in an Australian penal colony, not a modern day (modern in the time his films were made) setting.

I can remember vaguely watching 'Odette' with Anna Neagle and Peter Ustinov ....have never been keen on films that centre around wars though tbh.

Hitchcock did make other films which were not set in modern times such as Jamaica Inn.

Hitchcock had intended to make a film called Kaleidoscope in the late 60s. Didn't progress beyond a script and some test footage before being abandoned, it hadn't got to the stage of being cast. Has zero connection with the film of that name which was released in 1966 (Warren Beatty & Susannah York) Hitchcock did have a sense of the macabre and he had intended to make this the most gruesome and violent film ever made (though that was in the 1960s).

I'm no fan of war films either other than those which are closer to being action films such as "Guns of Navarone" and Michael Powell's "49th Parallel".

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Hitchcock did make other films which were not set in modern times such as Jamaica Inn.

Hitchcock had intended to make a film called Kaleidoscope in the late 60s. Didn't progress beyond a script and some test footage before being abandoned, it hadn't got to the stage of being cast. Has zero connection with the film of that name which was released in 1966 (Warren Beatty & Susannah York) Hitchcock did have a sense of the macabre and he had intended to make this the most gruesome and violent film ever made (though that was in the 1960s).

I'm no fan of war films either other than those which are closer to being action films such as "Guns of Navarone" and Michael Powell's "49th Parallel".

I'm about to watch 'Notorious'....Ingrid Bergman again and Cary Grant -1946

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

I'm about to watch 'Notorious'....Ingrid Bergman again and Cary Grant -1946

An excellent film and Hitchcock's best film in the period after "Shadow of a Doubt" (1943) until "Strangers on a Train" (1951).

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

An excellent film and Hitchcock's best film in the period after "Shadow of a Doubt" (1943) until "Strangers on a Train" (1951).

I agree, I really enjoyed it

Also watched 'Jamaica Inn'....quite violent I thought, but a good story.
Charles Laughton plays the old letch parts very well doesn't he

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

I agree, I really enjoyed it

Also watched 'Jamaica Inn'....quite violent I thought, but a good story.
Charles Laughton plays the old letch parts very well doesn't he

Charles Laughton was a very good actor. If you haven't seen "Witness for the Prosecution" (1957), that's certainly worth watching with Laughton in a rather different role. Marlene Dietrich also excellent in that film. That's the Billy Wilder film version of the Agatha Christie play. Some consider it to be the best Agatha Christie cinema film.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Charles Laughton was a very good actor. If you haven't seen "Witness for the Prosecution" (1957), that's certainly worth watching with Laughton in a rather different role. Marlene Dietrich also excellent in that film. That's the Billy Wilder film version of the Agatha Christie play. Some consider it to be the best Agatha Christie cinema film.

Yes I've seen 'Witness for the prosecution', a good film ....Laughton's real life wife played his nurse
Am quite partial to an Agatha Christie story ...a good murder mystery (without blood and gore)

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Yes I've seen 'Witness for the prosecution', a good film ....Laughton's real life wife played his nurse
Am quite partial to an Agatha Christie story ...a good murder mystery (without blood and gore)

Yes, Elsa Lanchester She was in quite a number of films with Charles Laughton.
In a non-Laughton film she was notable in "Bride of Frankenstein" (1935), the follow up film to "Frankenstein" (1931). Those are the two James Whale films with Boris Karloff. Both exceptionally good films which have never been bettered. Both PG rated nowadays.

El Loro

My nomination for the worst Agatha Christie cinema film I have seen goes to "Ordeal by Innocence" (1984). Here's the opening few seconds:

The music by Dave Brubeck continues throughout the film and is not suited for the generally downbeat mood of the film. As a result the film does not work at all.

El Loro
@slimfern posted:

Yes I've seen 'Witness for the prosecution', a good film ....Laughton's real life wife played his nurse
Am quite partial to an Agatha Christie story ...a good murder mystery (without blood and gore)

I liked that film too ….but I’m a great Agatha Christie fan….of the books , if not all the films

Baz
@El Loro posted:

My nomination for the worst Agatha Christie cinema film I have seen goes to "Ordeal by Innocence" (1984). Here's the opening few seconds:

The music by Dave Brubeck continues throughout the film and is not suited for the generally downbeat mood of the film. As a result the film does not work at all.

Totally agree El

Baz
@El Loro posted:

Yes, Elsa Lanchester She was in quite a number of films with Charles Laughton.
In a non-Laughton film she was notable in "Bride of Frankenstein" (1935), the follow up film to "Frankenstein" (1931). Those are the two James Whale films with Boris Karloff. Both exceptionally good films which have never been bettered. Both PG rated nowadays.

I vaguely remember watching a Black & White version of 'Frankenstein'
.
The only Frankenstein film I can clearly remember watching was 'Frankenstein: The true story' with Jane Seymour, David McCallum, James Mason & Michael Sarrazin. I remember being horrified when Prima's head is ripped off by the monster, and yet I felt quite sad for him especially towards the end.

Who'd have known that years later transplants would become the norm, except for the brain of course...(yet)


I see what you mean regards the music to the video, I've not seen the film. tbh I'm not a fan of Donald Sutherland. Could be his part in 'Invasion of the body snatchers'....... that screeching noise he made

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

I vaguely remember watching a Black & White version of 'Frankenstein'
.
The only Frankenstein film I can clearly remember watching was 'Frankenstein: The true story' with Jane Seymour, David McCallum, James Mason & Michael Sarrazin. I remember being horrified when Prima's head is ripped off by the monster, and yet I felt quite sad for him especially towards the end.

Who'd have known that years later transplants would become the norm, except for the brain of course...(yet)


I see what you mean regards the music to the video, I've not seen the film. tbh I'm not a fan of Donald Sutherland. Could be his part in 'Invasion of the body snatchers'....... that screeching noise he made

The black and white film would probably have been the James Whale version.

I haven't seen the Sutherland version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" as I have seen the original black and white 1956 film which is considered superior. There are two versions of the 1956 film, the version as intended at 76 minutes and the studio version at 80 minutes. The studio imposed a prologue and epilogue with a couple of extra characters - Dr Hill and Dr Bassett.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

The black and white film would probably have been the James Whale version.

I haven't seen the Sutherland version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" as I have seen the original black and white 1956 film which is considered superior. There are two versions of the 1956 film, the version as intended at 76 minutes and the studio version at 80 minutes. The studio imposed a prologue and epilogue with a couple of extra characters - Dr Hill and Dr Bassett.

Forgive me for not going back to watch the original, as the remake gave me the chills.

I went to the cinema on my 17th birthday with a group of friends to see 'Dawn of the dead' (a George A Romero film), it frightened the life out of me, to the point where I couldn't sleep with my back to the door, made sure the landing light was on and had to peak round corners ....no word of a lie it freaked me out.
They then did a remake in 2004 and I thought 'face your demons Slim'.......I sh*t you not...I was more scared than ever.
So now I only stick to one version of a film....and never a zombie or anything near it

I am much better these days....but am not tempting fate

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Forgive me for not going back to watch the original, as the remake gave me the chills.

I went to the cinema on my 17th birthday with a group of friends to see 'Dawn of the dead' (a George A Romero film), it frightened the life out of me, to the point where I couldn't sleep with my back to the door, made sure the landing light was on and had to peak round corners ....no word of a lie it freaked me out.
They then did a remake in 2004 and I thought 'face your demons Slim'.......I sh*t you not...I was more scared than ever.
So now I only stick to one version of a film....and never a zombie or anything near it

I am much better these days....but am not tempting fate

Don’t blame you Slim…..I went to see a hammer horror ….whose name escapes me ….I was about 16 …..and it scared me so much that my dad had to sleep on my  bedroom floor for a couple of nights cos I was too frightened to go to sleep .

Baz
@Baz posted:

Don’t blame you Slim…..I went to see a hammer horror ….whose name escapes me ….I was about 16 …..and it scared me so much that my dad had to sleep on my  bedroom floor for a couple of nights cos I was too frightened to go to sleep .

Very much my era....sat with my Mum in my early teens, whilst Dad was on shift and before she lost her sight.......Vincent Price, Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing, synonymous with the occult and darkness ........spent many a night with my blanket pulled up around my neck ....just in case

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Very much my era....sat with my Mum in my early teens, whilst Dad was on shift and before she lost her sight.......Vincent Price, Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing, synonymous with the occult and darkness ........spent many a night with my blanket pulled up around my neck ....just in case

I remembered what the film was ….House on Haunted Hill ….and another one was about a disembodied hand ……kept me awake for days

Baz
@Baz posted:

I remembered what the film was ….House on Haunted Hill ….and another one was about a disembodied hand ……kept me awake for days

"The House on Haunted Hill" film would have been the 1959 version which was directed by William Castle and had Vincent Price in it. Castle was American and specialised in low budget films with gimmicks. For instance "The Tingler" had the gimmick of having vibrating devices attached to the cinema seats to tingle the audience

There have been a number of films with disembodied hands, "The Beast with 5 Fingers" (1946) had Peter Lorre in. The film you saw might have been "The Crawling Hand" (1963) which was about the hand of a dead astronaut.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

"The House on Haunted Hill" film would have been the 1959 version which was directed by William Castle and had Vincent Price in it. Castle was American and specialised in low budget films with gimmicks. For instance "The Tingler" had the gimmick of having vibrating devices attached to the cinema seats to tingle the audience

There have been a number of films with disembodied hands, "The Beast with 5 Fingers" (1946) had Peter Lorre in. The film you saw might have been "The Crawling Hand" (1963) which was about the hand of a dead astronaut.

Yes , that was the version of HoHH👍🏻👍🏻….but neither of those hands ones rings a bell .

Baz

Baz, could it be "The Hands of Orlac" (1960) (Mel Ferrer & Christopher Lee)? Not disembodied hands as such. A pianist loses his hands in an accident and receives transplanted hands from an executed criminal. The hands start having the murderous tendencies of the criminal. It's a remake of a 1924 silent film of the same name and there was another remake in 1935 called "Mad Love" which had Peter Lorre in.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Baz, could it be "The Hands of Orlac" (1960) (Mel Ferrer & Christopher Lee)? Not disembodied hands as such. A pianist loses his hands in an accident and receives transplanted hands from an executed criminal. The hands start having the murderous tendencies of the criminal. It's a remake of a 1924 silent film of the same name and there was another remake in 1935 called "Mad Love" which had Peter Lorre in.

Yes , I think it’s the first one El

Baz

The 1960 version of "The Hands of Orlac" was filmed in French as well as English. Mel Ferrer and Christopher Lee were in the French version as well as they could speak French. One can see that version on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoupWO4_eao
Does have English subtitles.

El Loro

There was also 'Dr. Terror's House of Horror' - 1965 with Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee & Donald Sutherland.
or
'And now the screaming starts' - 1973 with Peter Cushing, Herbert Lom & Ian Ogilvy.

Both had disembodied misbehaving hands

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

There was also 'Dr. Terror's House of Horror' - 1965 with Peter Cushing, Christopher Lee & Donald Sutherland.
or
'And now the screaming starts' - 1973 with Peter Cushing, Herbert Lom & Ian Ogilvy.

Both had disembodied misbehaving hands

Oh I think I may have  watched Dr Terrors House of Horrors , Slim

Baz
@El Loro posted:

Baz, could it be "The Hands of Orlac" (1960) (Mel Ferrer & Christopher Lee)? Not disembodied hands as such. A pianist loses his hands in an accident and receives transplanted hands from an executed criminal. The hands start having the murderous tendencies of the criminal. It's a remake of a 1924 silent film of the same name and there was another remake in 1935 called "Mad Love" which had Peter Lorre in.

I've seen a film with the same subject matter....could have been this one, not sure tbh it was so long ago. There was also one where it was a brain of a criminal instead of hands....again I can't think of what it was called

slimfern
@Baz posted:

Very I didn’t mind the bloody bits too much , it was all the creeping about and spooky bits that did for me .

Spooky fer sure Even now, but especially as a young'un
I think 'Dracula: Prince of Darkness' is my most memorable Hammer film
A fun couple of facts re that one....
Dracula does not speak in the film, save for a few hisses. According to Christopher Lee: "I didn't speak in that picture. The reason was very simple. I read the script and saw the dialogue! I said to Hammer, if you think I'm going to say any of these lines, you're very much mistaken.'' although Screenwriter Jimmy Sangster disputed that account   "Vampires don't chat. So I didn't write him any dialogue.''
Barbara Shelley accidentally swallowed  one of her fangs in one scene, and had to drink salt water to bring it back up again because of the tight shooting schedule, as well as there being no spare set of fangs.

slimfern

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