I thought they hid in the attic 

Baz posted:

I’d like to think it was dead .....but any sort of fanaticism scares the hell out of me ....whatever the colour ...

Communism collapsed in the western world with Gorbachev , I know no communists but see plenty of fascists 

Baz posted:

I thought they hid in the attic 

me too 

Baz posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Fascism , communism,  two sides of the same coin 

Communism is dead in Russia...the rise of fascism in Europe is far more worrying. We see nazi salutes on out streets now...I'm like wtf

I’d like to think it was dead .....but any sort of fanaticism scares the hell out of me ....whatever the colour ...

Far right and far left....both very dangerous to those they decide to target....and then there's pure racism as in Serbia over Kosovo...all extremes are worrying

That must've been awful 

Baz posted:

I thought they hid in the attic 

It wasn't really an attic as we know it....went to visit the house in Amsterdam many years ago

Kaytee posted:

Baz posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Fascism , communism,  two sides of the same coin 

Communism is dead in Russia...the rise of fascism in Europe is far more worrying. We see nazi salutes on out streets now...I'm like wtf

I’d like to think it was dead .....but any sort of fanaticism scares the hell out of me ....whatever the colour ...

Far right and far left....both very dangerous to those they decide to target....and then there's pure racism as in Serbia over Kosovo...all extremes are worrying

I agree Kaytee  It only needs one charismatic leader to plug into the discontent and it’s a recipe for disaster 

Kaytee posted:

Baz posted:

I thought they hid in the attic 

It wasn't really an attic as we know it....went to visit the house in Amsterdam many years ago

I’ve always wanted to visit 

Kaytee posted:

It wasn't really an attic as we know it....went to visit the house in Amsterdam many years ago

bet that was emotional Kaytee 

Sprout posted:

That must've been awful 

Must have been a dreadfully risky job 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

It wasn't really an attic as we know it....went to visit the house in Amsterdam many years ago

bet that was emotional Kaytee 

It was spine chilling, just the thought of being locked away for years

Kaytee posted:

It was spine chilling, just the thought of being locked away for years

I bet it was 

Baz posted:

Kaytee posted:

Baz posted:

I thought they hid in the attic 

It wasn't really an attic as we know it....went to visit the house in Amsterdam many years ago

I’ve always wanted to visit 

These days you have to book in advance, the queues to get in are enormous

They nearly made it til the end of the war ....so sad 

Oh!  Warehouse manager?

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

It was spine chilling, just the thought of being locked away for years

I bet it was 

More a tourist thing these days, loads of people tramping around, loses the atmosphere when there's a hundred Japanese tourists with cameras snapping away and chattering loudly 

Baz posted:

They nearly made it til the end of the war ....so sad 

Yes, just about

Kaytee posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

It was spine chilling, just the thought of being locked away for years

I bet it was 

More a tourist thing these days, loads of people tramping around, loses the atmosphere when there's a hundred Japanese tourists with cameras snapping away and chattering loudly 

I can imagine 

Must have been such a temptation 

Kaytee posted:

More a tourist thing these days, loads of people tramping around, loses the atmosphere when there's a hundred Japanese tourists with cameras snapping away and chattering loudly 

yes, it's a shame...you can't be alone with your thoughts and imagine how it was for them with loads of tourists yapping in every direction 

one bloody traitor ruined their lives when they were nearly free 

Baz posted:

Must have been such a temptation 

Yes, when life is hard you look after your own ....human nature 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

More a tourist thing these days, loads of people tramping around, loses the atmosphere when there's a hundred Japanese tourists with cameras snapping away and chattering loudly 

yes, it's a shame...you can't be alone with your thoughts and imagine how it was for them with loads of tourists yapping in every direction 

Not been for yonks, but we were staying on the same canal and walked past the house several times last spring, even out of season it was crowded

Kaytee posted:

Not been for yonks, but we were staying on the same canal and walked past the house several times last spring, even out of season it was crowded

I can well imagine, the more people have been educated about the Frank family the more the tourists want to visit 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

one bloody traitor ruined their lives when they were nearly free 

Yes 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

Not been for yonks, but we were staying on the same canal and walked past the house several times last spring, even out of season it was crowded

I can well imagine, the more people have been educated about the Frank family the more the tourists want to visit 

Trouble is....they allow too many in at a time

Kaytee posted:

Baz posted:

Must have been such a temptation 

Yes, when life is hard you look after your own ....human nature 

Kaytee posted:

Trouble is....they allow too many in at a time

All because someone opened their gob a bit prematurely

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

one bloody traitor ruined their lives when they were nearly free 

I don't think I could have betrayed them, but on the other hand I don't know what I would have done if my family was broke and needed to buy food

Hope they executed him 

Kaytee posted:

I don't think I could have betrayed them, but on the other hand I don't know what I would have done if my family was broke and needed to buy food

I know difficult situations may make you do something you would never dream of doing, I would like to think I wouldn't have done it Kaytee ...I don't think I could have lived with myself 

Oh! 

Baz posted:

Hope they executed him 

Yes...real scum

Baz posted:

Hope they executed him 

Kaytee posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

one bloody traitor ruined their lives when they were nearly free 

I don't think I could have betrayed them, but on the other hand I don't know what I would have done if my family was broke and needed to buy food

No.....I’d like to think I would have been above it , but you never know how you will react until you are it that position 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

I don't think I could have betrayed them, but on the other hand I don't know what I would have done if my family was broke and needed to buy food

 

I know difficult situations may make you do something you would never dream of doing, I would like to think I wouldn't have done it Kaytee ...I don't think I could have lived with myself 

That's the dilemma...your children or someone else's , nobody knows what they'd do if push came to shove

Baz posted:

Kaytee posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

one bloody traitor ruined their lives when they were nearly free 

I don't think I could have betrayed them, but on the other hand I don't know what I would have done if my family was broke and needed to buy food

No.....I’d like to think I would have been above it , but you never know how you will react until you are it that position 

Exactly

Kaytee posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Kaytee posted:

I don't think I could have betrayed them, but on the other hand I don't know what I would have done if my family was broke and needed to buy food

 

I know difficult situations may make you do something you would never dream of doing, I would like to think I wouldn't have done it Kaytee ...I don't think I could have lived with myself 

That's the dilemma...your children or someone else's , nobody knows what they'd do if push came to shove