Eugene, thanks.
Aaaaannnnd breathe! Oh why cant they get Nick Griffin in for a bloody web chat!
Karma, I agree with everything you have just said, as regards to the BNP, people that support them, and say oh they are nothing like the Nazi party, SERIOUSLY, do you think Hitler said what he intended during his election campaign?
Hahahaha Karma, I would pay for VIP if they got that twat in for a live chat.
I'd do a Victor Kyam and buy the site if they got him in! 
In all seriousness though it IS shit, and maybe hard for some to fully understand the rage and emotion behind it unless they have first hand experienced it. I feel so guilty sometimes for choosing the wrong schools for my boy, and even the area we live in, which I would LOVE to get away from but just cant at the moment. But I'm hoping against hope that finally we've got it right with the schooling.
Has anyone else on here suffered discrimination or racism? And where abouts in the country? Would be great to hear and share other experiences too, and ways that you have overcome it.
Oh my God I sound like Jeremy Kyle when he's pleading for guests in between the ad breaks.
Has anyone else on here suffered discrimination or racism? And where abouts in the country? Would be great to hear and share other experiences too, and ways that you have overcome it.
Oh my God I sound like Jeremy Kyle when he's pleading for guests in between the ad breaks.
Hahahahah karma, you forgot the all important phone number. Oh and we need DNA tests 
I live in a very small community in Devon and up until September, my granddaughter went to the local Primary. Throughout her stay there we had 4 coloured children (is that a word I can use?) and there was no discrimination at all by any of the kids. I just wonder why that is. I would have thought that Inner City children take different ethniticity much more in their stride and yet, no problems here.
Cologne where you there in the school all the time? Seriously how do you know there was no discrimination? Was it because the school never mentioned it?
I strongly believe primarily it's how the children are raised in the home, and then the stance of the school the child goes to.
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Cologne where you there in the school all the time? Seriously how do you know there was no discrimination? Was it because the school never mentioned it?
There's a very good PTA, my daughter worked as a teacher's assistant until my granddaughter left, the children were happy, there were no incidents in the playground, they came for tea and stayed the night at weekends. No problems at all.
i used to have a friend at school who was very much like the daughter of that man in dreads. his dad was mixed race and his mum was white. he got bullied at school for being black and he would have appeared to be a white bloke, i never knew till he told me why he got into a fight once. so i can see exactly where that man in dreads was coming from...and my school had people of all races (as does my town). i can only imagine his fear for his little girl 
this was 13 years ago mind (god makes me sound old).
this was 13 years ago mind (god makes me sound old).
Well that was one very lucky school your grandkids went to.
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I strongly believe primarily it's how the children are raised in the home, and then the stance of the school the child goes to.
Definitely, if racist shit is acceptable in the home, then the kids know no better.Do you know it's not just racist shit, it's everything, these parents reap what they sow, and I get sick of parents going 'oh I don't know where I went wrong'........YES I DO.....'YOU MOLLY CODDLED THEM'...you were a parent whose child 'could never do no wrong' and so they grew up thinking they were above any penance.
And deep breath.
Hahahhaha I am right off on one!
Where I grew up, there were no black kids - one African girl came to our primary school and she was worshipped, quite literally!
we even had an unofficial school song about her!
Anyway, that's what one black girl in an all white school can do,
Much different when a community starts feeling threatened and believing the far-right culture.
we even had an unofficial school song about her!
Anyway, that's what one black girl in an all white school can do,
Much different when a community starts feeling threatened and believing the far-right culture.
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Where I grew up, there were no black kids - one African girl came to our primary school and she was worshipped, quite literally! we even had an unofficial school song about her! Anyway, that's what one black girl in an all white school can do, Much different when a community starts feeling threatened and believing the far-right culture
That's it I think. There isn't a huge influx of immigrants where we live and they really don't threaten the community, so there are no problems. Cinds, I think we are lucky. A Romanian family moved to the village in the summer. The girl (aged ten) had made friends but couldn't join the school until after the holidays, but she was allowed to join the school play for the leavers which was great.
Young children don't seem to have a problem with Race/Religion We should all take a leaf out of their books. 
My sister came home from New Zealand because she was home sick, her son started the local primary school,every day she took him to school was a pantomime, Croc it was just about a carbon copy of you son, at the school gate the teacher would grab him by the arm and whisk him of into class, my sister would cry all the way home, we eventually came to the conclusion that it wasnt the colour of his skin, (al thou he was quite suntanned at the time)but it was the fact that he was different from the rest of the class,he had a different accent, different attitude,didnt realy fit in, it all caused my sister so much stress, they moved back to NZ where the children settled back to normality.
Blizzie do you know, when I went to school there was only the one black guy. Some of us loved him too.
Shall I tell you something really stupid, I was in church one Sunday with my boy, and almost got beaten up by some stupid bitch who was in the Church at a christening, and shall I tell you why, because I had a brown baby, and her partner was brown, so OBVIOUSLY, I must have fooked her bloke to get my brown lad
Shall I tell you something really stupid, I was in church one Sunday with my boy, and almost got beaten up by some stupid bitch who was in the Church at a christening, and shall I tell you why, because I had a brown baby, and her partner was brown, so OBVIOUSLY, I must have fooked her bloke to get my brown lad
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Young children don't seem to have a problem with Race/Religion We should all take a leaf out of their books
That's very true, but then children are better at those things generally.Reference:
Young children don't seem to have a problem with Race/Religion We should all take a leaf out of their books.
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Shall I tell you something really stupid, I was in church one Sunday with my boy, and almost got beaten up by some stupid bitch who was in the Church at a christening, and shall I tell you why, because I had a brown baby, and her partner was brown, so OBVIOUSLY, I must have fooked her bloke to get my brown lad
Cinds, people like that really are not worth even considering, never mind talking to. 
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Young children don't seem to have a problem with Race/Religion We should all take a leaf out of their books.
But some do, I've heard kids of 4 shouting paki and nigger. And when it's happened with kids I know, 5 minutes spent talking about immigration control with the parents tells you the terminology they use in the home.
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Cinds, people like that really are not worth even considering, never mind talking to.
Cologne I know that as an adult, but try telling that to a child who is being victimised? I can laugh them all off every day of the week, but a child can't.
I knew I should have gone to bed ages ago.
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Cologne I know that as an adult, but try telling that to a child who is being victimised? I can laugh them all off every day of the week, but a child can't.
I know. My daughter used to be quite chuffed that she was born in Germany and had dual nationality. Lots of goose stepping in front of her put paid to that very quickly and no amount of talking about it and trying to dismiss it made it any better. Reference:
Karma, I agree with everything you have just said, as regards to the BNP, people that support them, and say oh they are nothing like the Nazi party, SERIOUSLY, do you think Hitler said what he intended during his election campaign?
They have some quite similar views. People don't say they're like Nazis (in some respects), they say they are Nazis. That's like the ultimate cheap shot to me because who in the mainstream would ever even try to understand or defend or debate with the people who ran death camps on an industrial scale? The BNP can easily be tackled just with argument. We have to engage publicly with them and show everyone what they are: politically incoherent and out of touch with mainstream ideas. The people who vote for them as a protest (1 million people minus their core 300,000) are not Nazis, they're probably people who feel disenfranchised and powerless and blame their perception of mass immigration for it. They need bringing back.
The town in which I live is basically all white people, when I push Marni about in the pushchair people are forever starring and commenting, whos baby is that. I get on my high horse at them comments, god knows what I will be like when she is older.if I hear abuse at all.
Oh and I waiting to bump into Nick Griffin as he lives in 10 miles from me....
Oh and I waiting to bump into Nick Griffin as he lives in 10 miles from me....
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Bloody hell Cinds That's disgusting. And to think this goes on from such a young age. Jesus. I've had similar situations of denial and THAT'S what grated me the most. It's the way the adults/teachers behaved. It's poxy cos there are some damned good teachers out there who dont see colour, they see each child as individual and want each and every one to do well. And when you meet teachers who want the best for your kid the difference is amazing. Racism isn't only defined to black v's white, and I don't disagree that white people have suffered too, but it's terrible that in this day and age it's STILL an issue. The Government might aswell have given the BNP a nice huge pat on the back and a golden handshake welcome. They've done frig all to control immigration in this country, they have no idea of the true population of this country or even where immigrants are. The benefits system is totally out of control and the UK is now known as the gift that just keeps giving. And this is what the BNP are using to their full advantage, and because of the Governments cock-ups on controlling this country they're gaining more and more interest from those who wouldn't have given them the time of day before. The new BNP recruits think they are making a positive stand and fighting for the rights of those born and bred here (the BNP campaign leaflet is hugely seductive if you dont read between the lines), but the reality is they are joining a party that are dedicated to getting Britain back to being all white again and causing divide and intolerance. The BNP can't use this as a campaign tactic anymore, as attitudes have changed in some areas, but this is the root of their cause.
Great post Karma!
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I feel so guilty sometimes for choosing the wrong schools for my boy, and even the area we live in, which I would LOVE to get away from but just cant at the moment.
I had to get away from London Karma and thank god I had an opportunity to move up here and give my girls (who are mixed race) a far better life and education. I can't even begin to express my self loathing when one of my girls was racially abused and threatened at school at 6 years old. It wasn't even by a white kid either so this problem is in all ethnic groups of society.It sickened me to the core sometimes dropping them off at school. Some of the kids where damaged so bad they were carrying knives at 7 years old?
It's the upbringing and the parental education imo.
I don't know what the answer is.
Cinds I am speechless at your post back there about your lads head teacher.
Makes my guts flip.
Your poor lad I am sending him a huge virtual hug and you x
Makes my guts flip.
Your poor lad
I am sending him a huge virtual hug and you x
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Has anyone else on here suffered discrimination or racism? And where abouts in the country? Would be great to hear and share other experiences too, and ways that you have overcome it.
Luckily, I, well, B never has when we've been together... either in Newcastle or London. And you know what? I expected it, cos of people's attitudes to Islam, so I have been pleasantly surprised. Never heard anything when I went places with his friend or cousin either... I haven't watched the program yet, but will do so over lunch... just want to give a huge to you and Cinds, the stuff you and your lads have had to put up with is just horrendous Reference: Cinds
Shall I tell you something really stupid, I was in church one Sunday with my boy, and almost got beaten up by some stupid bitch who was in the Church at a christening, and shall I tell you why, because I had a brown baby, and her partner was brown, so OBVIOUSLY, I must have fooked her bloke to get my brown lad
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Oh and I waiting to bump into Nick Griffin as he lives in 10 miles from me....
Can you bump into him with a great big f*cking truck please?
Cinds..that's disgusting..surely you could have complained to the LEA or the Governers?
We did a very small scale version of the experiment at school a few years to demonstrate to the kids how subtle discrimination could be.After ten minutes they were distinctly uncomfortable,but it was very useful.
The topic we were studying was Post war Britain and we discussed the discrimination that immigrants suffered at the time...i.e'No blacks,No Irish,No dogs'.One child gasped and said'Thats disgusting.Why no Irish?'.Now,no doubt his parents would declare' We're no racists', but where else would a ten yr old get that attitude?.
Thing is unlike second generation black and Asians,theres no telling that I came from that same wave of immigrants because I'm white and have conformed to my environment with an English accent.
I only have a tiny bit of experience of what it's like to be victimised because of being different.I lived in Glasgow for two years and endured some pretty merciless bullying as a result of my English accent.But with time I could have changed that to be accepted.Thats not an option you've got if you're born with a different skin colour from the majority.And its something very few of us white people understand because its not part of our daily experience.
We did a very small scale version of the experiment at school a few years to demonstrate to the kids how subtle discrimination could be.After ten minutes they were distinctly uncomfortable,but it was very useful.
The topic we were studying was Post war Britain and we discussed the discrimination that immigrants suffered at the time...i.e'No blacks,No Irish,No dogs'.One child gasped and said'Thats disgusting.Why no Irish?'.Now,no doubt his parents would declare' We're no racists', but where else would a ten yr old get that attitude?.
Thing is unlike second generation black and Asians,theres no telling that I came from that same wave of immigrants because I'm white and have conformed to my environment with an English accent.
I only have a tiny bit of experience of what it's like to be victimised because of being different.I lived in Glasgow for two years and endured some pretty merciless bullying as a result of my English accent.But with time I could have changed that to be accepted.Thats not an option you've got if you're born with a different skin colour from the majority.And its something very few of us white people understand because its not part of our daily experience.
Cinds 
My God, a person in authority behaving like that...i can't find the words to write as I am truly speechless....that is racist through and through...I'm absolutely appalled..... What a fecking bitch, there is no place in Schools for that.....
My God, a person in authority behaving like that...i can't find the words to write as I am truly speechless....that is racist through and through...I'm absolutely appalled..... What a fecking bitch, there is no place in Schools for that.....
I felt angry and sick after reading some of the comments on here regarding schools, I would have hoped that in this day and age, this type of attitude and behaviour had long since gone, sadly it hasn't and I really feel sad and angry for you and your children having to experience such prejudice.
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I strongly believe primarily it's how the children are raised in the home, and then the stance of the school the child goes to.
That is very true, I don't think Kids see colour, they just see a person, it's the parents that teach them to see things.You have just reminded me of a couple who lived in my Mums street when I was about 10, he was Black and she was white, this is over 25 years ago....i've never really thought about the problems they must've encountered all those years back, i can only guess it was pretty shocking for alot of people to see them together. They went on to have 2 kids, a boy then a girl...I see the lad around town now, and my, he is one gorgeous bloke...if i was 20 years younger...lol....
I don't think I ever noticed the colour as my parents never raised any issue with it. Before the above couple lived there (about 30-35 years ago), an African lady called Murdene (sp)? and her son lived in the street...she was wonderful, always in traditional African headwear, and always handing out fantastic food treats to us kids, one of my fondest memories of her was piling all the kids from the street into her back bedroom and letting us watch an Eclipse through tinted glass with her....
What I'm trying to say is that as my Parents never commented on colour, I never thought anything of it, they were just people....I despair at the attitudes of some parents these days....
I've seen this lady do this psychology many many years ago on Oprah.
The ignorant will never ever get it (that stupid bitch teacher last night is one of them!!), and the slightly open minded will!
Racism...ha, the stories I could tell. I currently live in Bucks where there are a lot of Pakistanis, if looks could kill, myself, my husband and my daughter (not my son for some funnily enough) we would be dead!
The ignorant will never ever get it (that stupid bitch teacher last night is one of them!!), and the slightly open minded will!
Racism...ha, the stories I could tell. I currently live in Bucks where there are a lot of Pakistanis, if looks could kill, myself, my husband and my daughter (not my son for some funnily enough) we would be dead!
Funnily enough DID one of my closest friends at senior school was half Turkish and I never thought of her as any different to me, but thinking back I bet her mum and dad took some abuse when they first got married as he was very dark skinned and it was in the 1960's when people were a lot less tolerant than now- though after reading some of these comments and the things FM have had to put up with are we more tolerant?
All I know is her dad was great fun and used to cook the most gorgeous food for us to try.
All I know is her dad was great fun and used to cook the most gorgeous food for us to try.