It was headline news just now on BBC1. I hope all those who committed those crimes are hunted down, brought to justice and sentenced.
There must be no more cover up by the Church and all the info that they have on these criminals must be opened up to the police.

Ah, Christian charity!

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Ah, Christian charity!

Makes you sick huh !

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Originally posted by paace:
It was headline news just now on BBC1. I hope all those who committed those crimes are hunted down, brought to justice and sentenced.
There must be no more cover up by the Church and all the info that they have on these criminals must be opened up to the police.

A lot of them will be dead or infirm by now but I hope many of the others will be brought to book for what they did.

My sister and I were unfortunate enough to have to go into care when our Mother was extremely ill and there was no-one to look after us.

It was the worst year of our lives and that is why I am no longer a practising Catholic.

the first school i went to when i was little was run by nuns

and they were scary-i mean proper nasty and very free with punishment ie..cane, ruler etc..

i hasten to add that one or two were lovely 'mother theresa' types

the priests werent much better

ive read a few books about the magdalene (sp) laundries-you cant believe its not so long ago all this happened
anyway-ive said my bit

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:

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Originally posted by paace:
It was headline news just now on BBC1. I hope all those who committed those crimes are hunted down, brought to justice and sentenced.
There must be no more cover up by the Church and all the info that they have on these criminals must be opened up to the police.

A lot of them will be dead or infirm by now but I hope many of the others will be brought to book for what they did.

My sister and I were unfortunate enough to have to go into care when our Mother was extremely ill and there was no-one to look after us.

It was the worst year of our lives and that is why I am no longer a practising Catholic.

im sincerely sorry to read that, it musta been horrible for ya both

china
I agree my ex was schooled by these lil nazi bitches GGGrrrr

and that film was a must see at how nasty they were ,

The Magdalene Sisters
It had shameless girl in it ...
Anne-Marie Duff


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318411/

be warned upsetting film ..

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Originally posted by Tim in Tina's Skirt:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
Ah, Christian charity!

Makes you sick huh !

Makes me wish that their vengeful God was a reality!

I am a distinctly lapsed Catholic due to experiencing some of the 'care' given by the Catholic Church when I was a kid. I was taught by Nuns.... even though we went to church as a family 2/3 times a week my brother was never allowed to be an alter boy....my Dad forbid it.

The only people who ever seem to be in denial about what happens in these types of institutions are the people running them.

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Originally posted by Mike Strutter:
china
I agree my ex was schooled by these lil nazi bitches GGGrrrr

and that film was a must see at how nasty they were ,

The Magdalene Sisters
It had shameless girl in it ...
Anne-Marie Duff


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318411/

be warned upsetting film ..

ive seen it a few times-unf*ckingbelieveable!

Those poor kids. Makes you feel very sad that there was no one they could turn to for help, the very people who were meant to be their guardians and protectors were the ones abusing them.

I’m sure they just said on the news that they can’t name or take legal action against those responsible! Why???

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Originally posted by JasmineJ:
Those poor kids. Makes you feel very sad that there was no one they could turn to for help, the very people who were meant to be their guardians and protectors were the ones abusing them.

I’m sure they just said on the news that they can’t name or take legal action against those responsible! Why???

dunno why they cant-but trying to break the silence of a bunch of catholics would be impossible
theyve got more power and secrets in that vatican than any government anywhere

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im sincerely sorry to read that, it musta been horrible for ya both

It wasn't the best time in our lives that's for sure but my sister was such a little star. She always tried to protect me from the bullying nuns.

We had one nun who was blind - she used to give us kids our cod liver oil every morning and she really was kind but she was the only one who was.

Thank goodness our abuse was purely mental and physical but not sexual.

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Originally posted by paace:
It was headline news just now on BBC1. I hope all those who committed those crimes are hunted down, brought to justice and sentenced.
There must be no more cover up by the Church and all the info that they have on these criminals must be opened up to the police.

that's the whole point unfortunately...the Judge initially in charge of the commission wanted to go further with the remit of the investigation but the state stopped it...she away she went....they won't name and shame...they won't hear the stories of all the victims...this isn't a report...it is a mockery

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Originally posted by JasmineJ:
Those poor kids. Makes you feel very sad that there was no one they could turn to for help, the very people who were meant to be their guardians and protectors were the ones abusing them.

I’m sure they just said on the news that they can’t name or take legal action against those responsible! Why???

Because it's a minefield...the church are still so good at hiding and defending themselves.

You could also put into the pot of the equation..

(I am in no way excusing any behaviour, but highlighting the sinister hold of the church)..

the young men and women 'shoved' into the priesthood, Nunnery & Christian Brothers because the Church led their families to believe it was their duty.

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Originally posted by Templetonpeck:

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Originally posted by JasmineJ:
Those poor kids. Makes you feel very sad that there was no one they could turn to for help, the very people who were meant to be their guardians and protectors were the ones abusing them.

I’m sure they just said on the news that they can’t name or take legal action against those responsible! Why???

Because it's a minefield...the church are still so good at hiding and defending themselves.

There are those (I couldn’t hazard a guess on how many, but I fear it’s a lot) for whom the dominant concern is the integrity of the catholic church, the victims and the margin STILL for cover ups is either of little or no concern.

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Originally posted by Syd:
You could also put into the pot of the equation..

(I am in no way excusing any behaviour, but highlighting the sinister hold of the church)..

the young men and women 'shoved' into the priesthood, Nunnery & Christian Brothers because the Church led their families to believe it was their duty.

i never thought of that!

HyacinthB

a huge warm reassuring sincere HUG here

My ex had many bad *issues* with sex , her low self esteem , an bad piety so ingrained ...

Lol

I sorted her out with LOADS OF TLC cos she was worth it ..
and cos I loved her ..


an I *Corrupted* her fully...
as she saw the church as a money making concern an God wouldnt want that ...

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:

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Originally posted by paace:
It was headline news just now on BBC1. I hope all those who committed those crimes are hunted down, brought to justice and sentenced.
There must be no more cover up by the Church and all the info that they have on these criminals must be opened up to the police.

A lot of them will be dead or infirm by now but I hope many of the others will be brought to book for what they did.

My sister and I were unfortunate enough to have to go into care when our Mother was extremely ill and there was no-one to look after us.

It was the worst year of our lives and that is why I am no longer a practising Catholic.

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Originally posted by Mike Strutter:

My ex had many bad *issues* with sex , her low self esteem , an bad piety so ingrained ...

Lol

I sorted her out with LOADS OF TLC cos she was worth it ..
and cos I loved her ..


an I *Corrupted* her fully...
as she saw the church as a money making concern an God wouldnt want that ...

My ex had a lot of issues too even though he was a very badly lapsed Catholic his failure to manage his "guilt" eventually screwed me up. For that reason alone I had no tolerance at all for the Catholic faith - but I'm an atheist anyway.

It's not just these terrible stories - everyone is affected to some degree. Religious institutions (of pretty much every type) are odious things IMO.

And Hyacinth
Glad to see you came through the experience.

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Originally posted by JasmineJ:
Those poor kids. Makes you feel very sad that there was no one they could turn to for help, the very people who were meant to be their guardians and protectors were the ones abusing them.

It's heartbreaking. I just hope that those children got help to overcome these experiences in later life, or at least managed to find some happiness.

I understand what you say ...

..I had that with my Ex ..
.
she was badly with it SH*TTY Wrong guilt

*It was designed to destroy a woman being a compact /happy young woman....lol


who could shag those days ?

she went out and bags ..lol

It's not just the awfulness of what happened to those poor innocent children but that there seems to have been a worldwide conspiracy by the most powerful people in the catholic church to protect the abusers. Disgraceful.

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Originally posted by Mike Strutter:
HyacinthB

a huge warm reassuring sincere HUG here

My ex had many bad *issues* with sex , her low self esteem , an bad piety so ingrained ...

Lol

I sorted her out with LOADS OF TLC cos she was worth it ..
and cos I loved her ..


an I *Corrupted* her fully...
as she saw the church as a money making concern an God wouldnt want that ...

The first post of yours I've been able to decipher. And such a nice one it is

Hyacinth

Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 at lunchtime did a slot on this. Some of the people ringing in were still traumatised 40 years on ... and their stories, jeez.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 at lunchtime did a slot on this. Some of the people ringing in were still traumatised 40 years on ... and their stories, jeez.

I can well understand how they must be feeling. It isn't something you ever forget or, indeed, forgive.

Kids are entrusted to the care of these people and they abuse that trust.

What a lovely bunch of FM's you are.

Thank you so much for all your kind words - much appreciated.

Fortunately my sister and I were only in care whilst our Mother had to undergo two major operations which put her out of action for just over one year.

No relatives were able to take us for such a long period of time and hence we were placed in care.

Our Mother was a war widow so we didn't have a father to take over the reins whilst she was so ill.

The Secretary cheers for that post

LIFE IS ....

LIKE THAT OK .....an cds an see here



is that ok now ????
Understood ?????? ..lol

Can I just say something, I am a Catholic these types of people are not just specific to the Catholic Schools or Churches, but in every walk of life every type of organisation where there is access to kids, it is evident these people are not Catholics due to the disgusting acts they have carried out. I would thank everyone not to tar us all with the same brush.

'Course they're Catholics. Just evil ones. Whether one is religious or not doesn't seem to affect moral behaviour very much. America, for instance, isn't exactly a paradise and I don't really think one could say that the non-religious evilly over-compensate for the good deeds of the religious. By observation, being Catholic, or CofE, or whatever is mostly just a label: with the same sort of spread of good through evil as for people with other labels.

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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Can I just say something, I am a Catholic these types of people are not just specific to the Catholic Schools or Churches, but in every walk of life every type of organisation where there is access to kids, it is evident these people are not Catholics due to the disgusting acts they have carried out. I would thank everyone not to tar us all with the same brush.

I don't believe that anyone is tarring Catholics with the same brush.The behaviour of the Catholic church itself has warranted the negative attention it is now receiving.

Child abuse has been endemic (particularly)within Irish Catholic schools & institutions for years with the knowledge of the Vatican and authorities. It is a crying shame that in 2009 it is only being acknowledged, far too late for many children who took their lives in adulthood as a result of this appalling behaviour of the so called men of the cloth.

I don't feel that fm's are 'tarring' all Catholics with the same brush but face the facts, these barbaric acts were carried out by Catholics in a catholic institution- (this is not denying that other abusive behaviour did not exist elsewhere) Thankfully now the children that were affected can get some closure and those responsible can get the punishment they deserve.

There's a school of thought to the effect that teaching kids any form of unproven and unprovable mythology under the guise of religion as truth is tantamount to child abuse, quite apart from the sordid shenanigans of deviant practitioners of these dark arts

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
There's a school of thought to the effect that teaching kids any form of unproven and unprovable mythology under the guise of religion as truth is tantamount to child abuse, quite apart from the sordid shenanigans of deviant practitioners of these dark arts

*enrolls*

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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Can I just say something, I am a Catholic these types of people are not just specific to the Catholic Schools or Churches, but in every walk of life every type of organisation where there is access to kids, it is evident these people are not Catholics due to the disgusting acts they have carried out. I would thank everyone not to tar us all with the same brush.

Yes, they were/are Catholics. The victims were Catholics too. So were the unfeeling barstewards who decided to cover it up.

I was brought up as a Catholic and went to Catholic schools, but the worst I experienced was a grumpy nun called Sister Benny. No one is saying that all Catholics were involved, but getting defensive about this sort of thing is part of the reason why these things were covered up, even by people who would never dream of behaving in such a disgusting way themselves.

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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Can I just say something, I am a Catholic these types of people are not just specific to the Catholic Schools or Churches , but in every walk of life every type of organisation where there is access to kids, it is evident these people are not Catholics due to the disgusting acts they have carried out. I would thank everyone not to tar us all with the same brush.

None of us need to be told that. The “Well, it’s not just us who have a problem” arrogance is one I have experienced amongst a lot of catholics, and it’s a sickening attitude IMO. I know many catholics, and have spoken to them periodically about this (because this isn’t ‘new’ news, people have been aware of this for decades), and the prevailing concern is how the catholic church is perceived – the prevailing concern is NOT justice for the victims or an assurance that this ‘closing rank’ and protection of criminals be eradicated. In actual fact it’s the ‘we must FIRSTLY protect the integrity of the church’ attitude which allowed this abuse to go on.

The catholic church (a huge and very influential organisation) blocked various attempts at investigating the accusations, they actually lied and repeatedly denied that it was happening, and instead protected and moved the known abusers to different areas where they commenced the abuse all over again. In view of that, the catholic church as a whole is being heavily criticised, and it’s WELL overdue. I am utterly disgusted by what they allowed to happen, and I don’t mind telling you I have no time whatsoever for the catholic church - and no concern about how it survives this.

One notes in today's Grauniad that the Archbeako has said that the priests and such who committed abuse are courageous for owning up to their past.
Surely it's only a matter of time before the victims are condemned for making such a song and dance about it.