IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

 Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments  that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover,  it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling. 

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

 Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments  that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover,  it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling. 

I'm all for people being passionate about politics and have no problem with anyone supporting a particular political party but, when passion becomes rudeness and/or aggression, then it nullifies any point they are trying to make, IMO.

Yogi19 posted:

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

 Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments  that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover,  it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling. 

I'm all for people being passionate about politics and have no problem with anyone supporting a particular political party but, when passion becomes rudeness and/or aggression, then it nullifies any point they are trying to make, IMO.

I totally agree Yogi 

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

 Very true .....and I'd go even further and say that it is those sort of sentiments  that are actually driving people into the Tories arms . Moreover,  it is possible to put forward a succinct political viewpoint without all the mudslinging and name calling. 

I'm all for people being passionate about politics and have no problem with anyone supporting a particular political party but, when passion becomes rudeness and/or aggression, then it nullifies any point they are trying to make, IMO.

I totally agree Yogi 

Ok you two calm down

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on 

Saint posted:

Ok you two calm down

 

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on 

Saint posted:

Ok you two calm down

 

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on 

 Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?

Yogi19 posted:

Saint posted:

Ok you two calm down

 

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on 

 Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?

Don't let that terrorist give you ideas - should have been left chained to the railings, lol

Imagine when she needed the toilet 

"Err - sorry Ms Pankie - we can't find the key"

Saint posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Saint posted:

Ok you two calm down

 

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on 

 Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?

Don't let that terrorist give you ideas - should have been left chained to the railings, lol

Imagine when she needed the toilet 

"Err - sorry Ms Pankie - we can't find the key"

Rofl  Your mind moves in weird and wonderful ways Renton 

Saint posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Saint posted:

Ok you two calm down

 

It's not long that you've had the vote so steady on 

 Guess who is reading a book by Emmeline Pankhurst ATM?

Don't let that terrorist give you ideas - should have been left chained to the railings, lol

Imagine when she needed the toilet 

"Err - sorry Ms Pankie - we can't find the key"

 You are bonkers but I lubs ya.

Phew, I had to do a quick edit! Autocorrect changed lubs to lubes.

  calm yourself !!!

Mary Whitehouse would be having a turn

Yogi19 posted:

Phew, I had to do a quick edit! Autocorrect changed lubs to lubes.

Any surprising facts about Ms Pankie yet?

Saint posted:

Any surprising facts about Ms Pankie yet?

Not so far but I'll let you know if I find out anything surprising.

Saint posted:

  calm yourself !!!

 

Mary Whitehouse would be having a turn

 I nearly had a turn myself 

velvet donkey posted:

The only thick UK voters are those that would vote Corbyn and Labour.

 

Nice guy until you scratch the surface and trapped in the eighties. McDonnell would wreck the joint.

 

How to take a party backwards.

I'm voting for Corbyn , thanks for your opinion though it's noted and stored for future reference!

velvet donkey posted:

I'm dying.

 

Store that for future reference.

Velvet, whatever your medical condition is...I truly feel sorry for that. I still take exception to being called thick, same as I don't agree with Carnelian calling all Tory voters thick. It's insulting and I wouldn't dream of calling anyone thick because their opinion differs from mine!

velvet donkey posted:

We're pals Dame  

 

You get to realise none of it matters   

Pals can still have words and that's what makes them pals...they get over it  

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

velvet donkey posted:

The only thick UK voters are those that would vote Corbyn and Labour.

 

Nice guy until you scratch the surface and trapped in the eighties. McDonnell would wreck the joint.

 

How to take a party backwards.

 

I'm voting for Corbyn , thanks for your opinion though it's noted and stored for future reference!

I'm voting for him too 

I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory  he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years' 

I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.

I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is... 

Jen-Star posted:

I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory  he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years' 

I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.

I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is... 

No @Jen-Star Theresa May never said that. It was in a report sent to Theresa May by an academic called Helen Reece.

Theresa May and the Home Office did not agree with it.

Check out the link, especially the last 2 paragraphs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...heresa-May-told.html

I'm still focused on local council elections - despite the distraction - once concluded I will be supporting my CLP with the GE campaign.

Cold Sweat posted:

I'm still focused on local council elections - despite the distraction - once concluded I will be supporting my CLP with the GE campaign.

snap CS, I've been out and about with one of ours and will be doing my bit in the GE too 

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.  Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote.  I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.  

If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags.  They deserve all the scorn coming to them.  The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion.  The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots.  You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

Jen-Star posted:

I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory  he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years' 

I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.

I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is... 

You need to knock some sense into into him!

Saint posted:

Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

 

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

 

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

YEP, our number one trading partners

Hmm, record immigration under the last Tory government.  Still talk a good game, fool the sheeple!

Voters are f***wits then!  Have they forgotten that indigenous hard rightist, Thomas Mair, was the last person to murder a British MP?

Of course some immigrants will be terrorists,  but some husbands will be wife beaters. Should we therefore ban marriage?   And hard right politics?

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.  Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote.  I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.  

If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags.  They deserve all the scorn coming to them.  The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion.  The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots.  You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

Carnelian posted:

Jen-Star posted:

I don't get it either!! Even my fella who sees through all the main stream media BS and is pretty switched on... He says he's voting Tory  he's always hated the Conservatives but he's thinking of Brexit and 'the next 100 years' 

I think May has been very clever with the timing of this election.

I could never ever vote Tory, hasn't May said sex offenders (including paedophiles!) should be allowed to adopt?!?!? Things like that are where we see her for what she really is... 

You need to knock some sense into into him!

Carnelian posted:

Saint posted:

Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

 

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

 

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

YEP, our number one trading partners

 

Hmm, record immigration under the last Tory government.  Still talk a good game, fool the sheeple!

 

Voters are f***wits then!  Have they forgotten that indigenous hard rightist, Thomas Mair, was the last person to murder a British MP?

Of course some immigrants will be terrorists,  but some husbands will be wife beaters. Should we therefore ban marriage?   And hard right politics?

So, let me see if I've understood this correctly ....to be a worthwhile , intelligent and politically astute member of society  one has to think and vote along with Carnelian principles ....and read the Guardian. Got it  

Diane Abbott messed up today 

Saint posted:

Diane Abbott messed up today 

Ain't that the truth 

Saint posted:

Diane Abbott messed up today 

what, with a pair of scissors and no mirror?

£300,000 - I think  

Nope - £8million 

Actually £330million over 4 years and 10,000 recruits

Saint posted:

 

Diane Abbott messed up today 

She did, she bamboozled herself with the figures which have actually been costed right. What's annoying me is, Theresa May can flounder on every question, hide from the public, refuse to answer press questions and lock press in a room rather than be caught on camera...but what do we get all over the MSM, Diana Abbott making a complete tool of herself over costing. .

Why are MSM not attacking the tories on....

The NHS

Care to the elderly, cut to 15 minutes visits in a lot of case...people have to be in incontinence pads for 12 hours or more. 

The Homeless

The Bedroom tax that is contributing to the homelessness

The Food Banks and the massive rise in the use of them 1.2million in fact. How complex is the use of food banks....people can't afford food, it's not that bloody complex

The despicable cuts the dying and chronically ill which cost more to impose than actually pay out.

The underfunding in schools whilst promising millions for grammar schools.

The working class being £3.000 worse off than in 2007 whilst giving 70 billion tax breaks to the richest in the country.

The 8 page rape from to prove you're not living with your attacker.

The 30 Tory MP's under investigation for election fraud.

The Cabinet Office Propriety and Ethics launching an inquiry into a conflict of interest between Philip May and his job at Capital Group that makes it's money through market sensitive information including Brexit.

The cuts to police, fire, ambulances, libraries, 

The list is endless and we can say goodby to the NHS, if they do get back in which is looking likely I hope you all can afford private health insurance. I can't afford it, but the next policy will probably shoot the buggers so it won't really matter. 

I truly despair, May won't debate these issues because she can't. Drops mic or in Theresa May's case, drops bomb! 

It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

Hmmmm

Saint posted:

It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

 

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

 

Hmmmm

Could be that because people can't afford 'propper' food that the children are being fed un-nutritious c**p which is full of empty calories, thus creating unhealthy levels of fat!

Saint posted:

It's odd how OBESITY in children is rising

 

Whilst FOOD BANKS are needed to feed the nation

 

Hmmmm

I can't believe you actually posted that...poor diet, cheap foods...chips?!? 

oh and now we know why the press are all over Diane Abbott, after given 6 interviews and getting the figures correct she made a cock up on one...in other news...Tory's corrupt to the core, no wonder she's in hiding