LOL... JJ just whispered to Josie.... *of all the people to tell, why did Ben tell Shabby*

They all know not to talk about noms,Ben may have been coming from a sincere place but this has been his own doing,gutted for him .

I hope whenever Ben's evicted they do a tally chart of how many times he's said 'Sorry'

Baz,JJ is saying what we are all thinking. Why tell Shabby.

Ah I see now thanks folks for explaining.
It's a pity it has happened this week when most of want all the focus to be on getting Govan out.
But this sort of incident always happens. In every series people have nominated someone considered to be their "friend". It's a competition and they have to eliminate. They all turn on each other eventually.
Pity this should happen tonight though.
Still surely Govan is so unpopular this won't delay his departure.

So Shabby has simply relished the idea of trying to smear Ben.

Exactly Brisket..... I can't understand why  some of them get so upset about it..... surely they must have enough intelligence to work that out before they go in..... but then on the other hand

Exactly Erinp......  not a very good judge of character is he , bless him...

Grrrrrrrr... Shabby sitting there with a smug look on her face

Yay.. you said it for me Baz!

It always shocks me....  they go in there knowing this is the basis of the whole thing.  I can only assume they go in so conceited they think it won't be them that is nominated for eviction!

Same as them all getting the hump when people have to swap themselves for someone else as a result of the save task...  its all encouraging shouts of go on, do it, its not your fault... til they actually do it  and then everyone is all outraged!

The groups weren't nearly as defined as they are now and I didn't think that Ben and Sunshine had a particular friendship going on. I doubt he would nominate her now that he has got to know her better.

Exactly Ditty

I agree Cologne.....  I think JJ  blew it up out of all proportion... and now Govan is stirring it up even more... telling Mario not to get in to trouble because of Ben

One of the worst things about this is that JJ is like a dog with a bone.
Every issue that JJ has been involved in has run and run and run because he won't drop it.
I would have thought tonight that losing food and othere rations was of a far greater priority.

i had a feeling this would come back and bite  him in the bum.
he can't go around taking the moral high ground about  his friends and demanding they protect  him and 'stick up for him' when's he's been found out about nominating one of them.

if they've got any sense they'd steer  well clear, if he can do it once , he can do it again and to one of them.

It's a bit rum to hear JJ talking about being loyal to friends.
Because he seems to be here, there and everywhere. I'm not clear which of these people he considers friends, but sooner or later he will be faced with a voting conflict and dilemma.
Mmm not so easy is it JJ?

..took the though right out of my head....

Agreed he's such a hypocrite, the other night when he was going on how to important it was to clear the air, if you have an argument and not carry things on...I was like, lets talk about the shocking way you treated Rachel!

I don't think he's made his mind up either yet ........but - after the ticking off he got the other day for talking to Govan I bet he's mighty confused to discover that Ben turned on one of his 'own'.

Ben is really a prize prat - he's pretty quick to come out with all this loyalty/friends/buddy crap but is also quick to drop one of them in it. No excuses ........there were plenty of others he could have nominated.

ben actually said , when he nominated sunshine' this one may  shock but i'm going to nominate some one i consider a friend '... (paraphrased) ,but he knew precisely what he was doing.

Of course this has taken the heat off Govan and Shabby who lost them their shopping budget for talking in code. Shabby twisted the whole situation around and made Ben nominating Sunshine the focus. No-one has pulled her or Govan up on what THEY did.

Yes.... I was so excited when they got outed and the focus was on them losing the budget...I thought it was going to be a real comeuppance moment......and then it all went pear shaped

I think Ben knew exactly what he was doing. Everyday he seems to do something, get caught, apologise then play the victim when they tell him off.

don't you mean the amount of times he has said Sorry .. .followed by a huge BUT ..

the but negates the sorry every time

my take on it was that yes they do have to nominate but in the early weeks when there are so many HM's  nominating a friend, who you spent hours sharing a bed with all your other friends, is perhaps a tad off when there were 7 others to pick form 

that was the point JJ was trying to make without being too obvious that he was talking noms and getting the house punished further. .but Ben wasn't getting his point at all.. .Jj had believed that Ben was good friends with Sunshine by nom time, based on Bens  behaviour with her leading up to them.. .

Ben then defended his actions by saying well I didn't nominate her this week. .thereby losing the house their hot water cos BB called him in to tell him .. Mario wouldn't let him tell the house it was his fault they lost the water too tho..

think he was upset he got caught out that someone he was 'friends' with[ for noms purposes as he had being canvassing the room to ensure he didn't get any] found out he wasn't as friendly as he had really made out [at that time and possibly still now] so he was being a snake in the grass and got caught ..again

silly sod has been desperate to  be friends with shabby since day one, because they are both 'quirky' and apparently 'intelligent'...in fact he's so desperate he  tries to get inher   good books by letting her know he  nominated sunshine. the bloke has no standards and is a weasel.

The laughable thing this morning is, that after Sunshine, JJ etc. telling Ben last night that they didn't want to talk to him, and that they were horrified at what he had done (nomming Sunshine), they now can't understand why he is avoiding them

I may have this wrong but didn't Mario tell him to steer clear of the others today?

mainly cos every time he speaks to anybody he puts a giant foot in his mouth

Yes he did Mount Olympus..... and good advice it was too IMO...... but the  part that amused me was that the others expected him to just carry on as if nothing had happened, after the total roasting they gave him last night

And JJ saying that he would talk to him cos if he didn't he would feel bad if Ben was evicted tomorrow night..... Maybe he should have thought about that yesterday

he's bound to boast at some point, when he wants to impress the naughty,quirky ones, that he lost them the hot water ...


hahaha

It's his own fault. Noms are supposed to be secret, so why did he spill?

i reckon its because he has always thought that he and shabby would be best of mates, so he tried to impress her with his  radical nom...

Josie is now stirring the pot again with Govan. What they are all failing to grasp is that once Ben goes , the *herd* will choose someone to pick on, and it could well be any off them!!!