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Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:

 

Saw Yvette Cooper the other day and she annoyed the **** out of me. She asked Nick Clegg a question about tuition fees, finishing with the question "yes or no". When Nick did the usual politician trick of avoiding the question, Yvette kept asking the question repeatedly in a Paxman-esq way.

 

What a hypocritical @rz-ole she is. Really annoys me that if the shoe were on the other foot she would not like it one bit.

 

Someone put me in a studio with her and I can tell you I would not be the first to leave.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Same here EC ....I heard her on Radio 4 ....and I was grrrr....and the fact that she is married to Ed Balls just adds to my detestation !  

Baz
Originally Posted by Scotty:

I`ll follow tonight`s debate elsewhere. No room for "novelty parties" or "nationalist loons" on here, it seems. 

Everyone's opinion matters Scotty....Personally, I'd rather someone with passion, belief and positivity any day of the week over negativity, groaning and grumbling, whatever the political persuasion

FM

Now here's how politicians can really engage with the public:

 

Singaporean prime minister Lee Hsien Loong has decided to reveal the source code of the Sudoku-solving app he personally coded.

The PM revealed he likes to program in his spare time last month and mentioned the Sudoku-solver. He's since taken to Facebook to announce the source code dump.

[...]

β€œHope you have fun playing with this,” he adds. β€œPlease tell me if you find any bugs!”

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...dcoded_sudokusolver/

Eugene's Lair

Are you talking about this - where 4 protesters were being heckled by a Labour crowd and the press?

 

 

At some points it was ALMOST as rowdy as one of the Scottish leaders’ TV debates. But today, for some reason, the media have decided to portray it as a riot.

murphygate2

Above is the actual scene hyperbolically described by the BBC’s James Cook as β€œabsolute chaos on the streets of Glasgow”. Channel 4’s Alex Thomson, who knows perfectly well what Jim Murphy’s β€œrallies” are about, unaccountably fired off a series of tweets and a blog entry about the hecklers β€œdenying freedom of speech”.

 

So you tell me who's freedom of speech was being denied?

 

By the way, when did voters of a party become MEMBERS of said party?

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Last edited by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing

The inquiring reader will probably find all manner of questions arising in their mind from these events. Why is it suddenly major news that Sean Clerkin and his eejit pals have been yelling at Jim Murphy, as they’ve done a dozen times in the last few weeks? Why would someone need to have β€œtipped off” Clerkin, as he clearly ALWAYS knows about Labour events? Why would Campbell Gunn, of the SNP, be in on Labour’s β€œsecret” plans anyway? How did all these stories get written and published so fast without anyone establishing the fact that there’d been no β€œviolence” whatsoever?

More to the point, how are six people shouting at 40 also-shouting people denying anyone β€œfreedom of speech”? Glasgow’s streets are as much the protesters’ to protest on as they are Jim Murphy’s to conduct press photocalls on.

(And why are the press following him around anyway? Is it news for him to shout the same script at the same supporters in the same place for the 20th time in a month? Or are they just desperate for this sort of thing to happen?)

Demonstrations being met with counter-protests are a regular occurrence, yet very rarely do journalists report that, let’s say, anti-bigotry protesters noisily decrying racist marches by the BNP or Britain First are β€œdenying them freedom of speech”. (Let alone if there are only six of them and nearly 10 times as many of the racists.)

Murphy had no interest in reaching the wider electorate β€“ he was surrounded on all sides as usual by an impenetrable wall/shield of his own supporters. He was conducting what was an essentially private activist pep-talk, he just happened to be doing it loudly in a public place, getting in people’s way as they tried to go about their business and then scuttling off in a waiting car after five minutes as always.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing

I'm not sure who wrote that but the BNP are long gone, and Britain First mainly dwell on t'internet. On the many counter protests against drunken EDL members it is always reported that they are being denied free speech. Or at least the EDL's opinions on free speech are reported.

 

However today on R2 Nicola distanced herself from these scratters. I tend to believe her. Smoke and mirrors and all that. Possible agents provocateurs even.

 

But this is all obfuscation. Surely the bottom line is that people will vehemently vote against Labour but then complain when Labour don't invite them to the table.

Garage Joe
Last edited by Garage Joe
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Are you talking about this - where 4 protesters were being heckled by a Labour crowd and the press?

 

 

At some points it was ALMOST as rowdy as one of the Scottish leaders’ TV debates. But today, for some reason, the media have decided to portray it as a riot.

murphygate2

Above is the actual scene hyperbolically described by the BBC’s James Cook as β€œabsolute chaos on the streets of Glasgow”. Channel 4’s Alex Thomson, who knows perfectly well what Jim Murphy’s β€œrallies” are about, unaccountably fired off a series of tweets and a blog entry about the hecklers β€œdenying freedom of speech”.

 

So you tell me who's freedom of speech was being denied?

 

By the way, when did voters of a party become MEMBERS of said party?

Labour rent-a-crowd?  you mean they were stooges at a Labour party event?

 

Why do the anti English thugs of the SNP have to shout down any English MP without hearing them out first,  what are they afraid of?

 

Im starting to think Scotland is a lost cause.

Videostar
Last edited by Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Are you talking about this - where 4 protesters were being heckled by a Labour crowd and the press?

 

 

At some points it was ALMOST as rowdy as one of the Scottish leaders’ TV debates. But today, for some reason, the media have decided to portray it as a riot.

murphygate2

Above is the actual scene hyperbolically described by the BBC’s James Cook as β€œabsolute chaos on the streets of Glasgow”. Channel 4’s Alex Thomson, who knows perfectly well what Jim Murphy’s β€œrallies” are about, unaccountably fired off a series of tweets and a blog entry about the hecklers β€œdenying freedom of speech”.

 

So you tell me who's freedom of speech was being denied?

 

By the way, when did voters of a party become MEMBERS of said party?

Labour rent-a-crowd?  you mean they were stooges at a Labour party event?

 

Why do the anti English thugs of the SNP have to shout down any English MP without hearing them out first,  what are they afraid of?

 

Im starting to think Scotland is a lost cause.

Jim Murphy is not an English MP, and Eddie Izzard is only a supporter.

 

What makes you think the protesters were anti-English, and what makes you think they had any OFFICIAL links to the SNP?

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Are you talking about this - where 4 protesters were being heckled by a Labour crowd and the press?

 

 

At some points it was ALMOST as rowdy as one of the Scottish leaders’ TV debates. But today, for some reason, the media have decided to portray it as a riot.

murphygate2

Above is the actual scene hyperbolically described by the BBC’s James Cook as β€œabsolute chaos on the streets of Glasgow”. Channel 4’s Alex Thomson, who knows perfectly well what Jim Murphy’s β€œrallies” are about, unaccountably fired off a series of tweets and a blog entry about the hecklers β€œdenying freedom of speech”.

 

So you tell me who's freedom of speech was being denied?

 

By the way, when did voters of a party become MEMBERS of said party?

Labour rent-a-crowd?  you mean they were stooges at a Labour party event?

 

Why do the anti English thugs of the SNP have to shout down any English MP without hearing them out first,  what are they afraid of?

 

Im starting to think Scotland is a lost cause.

 

What makes you think the protesters were anti-English, and what makes you think they had any OFFICIAL links to the SNP?

This...http://www.independent.co.uk/n...urgeon-10223348.html

Videostar

I need to ask you election/political officionados a question.

 

Only realised a few weeks back that the Sturgeon woman is not actually standing for a seat in the UK parliament [doh! am a tad thick and had assumed as she was in the debates she was standing ] which begs the question "why is she flapping her gums all aver the place talking about possible coalitions if she isn't standing" How can a non elected person have any say in governing the Union? Also why isn't she standing?

 

Just curious. . she strikes me as a  pretty erudite person, tho I don't like her anti Union stance but, if that is her cause why doesn't she try and fight it from the inside instead of at the curb looking in? I realise she is a party leader but if she isn't an MP surely she shouldn't be able to have any influence in parliament?

 

Or have I missed something?

 

awaits experts to put me right or explain so I can understand what the eck is going on

Mount Olympus *Olly*

Olly, well may you ask why a non elected person can have a say in Governing the Union. Scotland has been ruled by the Conservatives, and we only have one  Tory MP. Scotland is still a part of the UK, and as it stands with the polls and a possible hung Parliament the SNP will have enough seats to join with the either Labour or the Tories to give either the power to Govern. As Nicola Sturgeon has said she will not deal with the Tories, and Ed will not deal with the SNP. so the outcome may be a stalemate. If Alec Salmond wins his seat, he will be at Westminster as a Scottish MP. It all should very interesting!!

FM
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Are you talking about this - where 4 protesters were being heckled by a Labour crowd and the press?

 

 

At some points it was ALMOST as rowdy as one of the Scottish leaders’ TV debates. But today, for some reason, the media have decided to portray it as a riot.

murphygate2

Above is the actual scene hyperbolically described by the BBC’s James Cook as β€œabsolute chaos on the streets of Glasgow”. Channel 4’s Alex Thomson, who knows perfectly well what Jim Murphy’s β€œrallies” are about, unaccountably fired off a series of tweets and a blog entry about the hecklers β€œdenying freedom of speech”.

 

So you tell me who's freedom of speech was being denied?

 

By the way, when did voters of a party become MEMBERS of said party?

Labour rent-a-crowd?  you mean they were stooges at a Labour party event?

 

Why do the anti English thugs of the SNP have to shout down any English MP without hearing them out first,  what are they afraid of?

 

Im starting to think Scotland is a lost cause.

Hi Vids , sorry you think Scotland is a lost cause because of some daft scuffle, that i am sure was slightly staged. I have seen more on a Friday night with a huge lot of folk being refused entry to a club!! Plus as said Jim Murphy is not an English MP. 

FM

thanks GJ. .I didn't know about a previous PM not being an MP.. as I said in my post I am not terribly up with the history of it all hence me asking the questions I asked

 

Skylark, I thought Scotland has its own devolved parliament and they sort themselves out without central government getting involved [unlike

England], hence me asking why a non elected person can have a say in the Union which affects the whole of the UK.. I also thought Scotland voted to remain part of the union too which is, or was governed by a Con/Libdem alliance, and which people are voting tomorrow to get rid of, or not, whatever the case may be. Prior to that wasn't it a Labour government that had an overall majority for the Union and prior to them a Conservative one and so on..

 

I am aware the coalition thing is a difficult situation for all party's due to projected seat numbers meaning either of the 2 major parties [of the Union as a whole] will need to team up with one or more of the others..  I just don't want them teaming up with anyone whose sole aim is to destroy the Union completely, regardless of how people friendly said person comes across as,  and who already has control of their bit of the Union outside of Parliament anyway. . 

 

Ah well, as if it really matters who gets in, it'll be the same old stuff again no doubt regardless of what any of them are saying now.. it's all bluster 

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Last edited by Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

thanks GJ. .I didn't know about a previous PM not being an MP.. as I said in my post I am not terribly up with the history of it all hence me asking the questions I asked

 

Skylark, I thought Scotland has its own devolved parliament and they sort themselves out without central government getting involved [unlike

England], hence me asking why a non elected person can have a say in the Union which affects the whole of the UK.. I also thought Scotland voted to remain part of the union too which is, or was governed by a Con/Libdem alliance, and which people are voting tomorrow to get rid of, or not, whatever the case may be. Prior to that wasn't it a Labour government that had an overall majority for the Union and prior to them a Conservative one and so on..

 

I am aware the coalition thing is a difficult situation for all party's due to projected seat numbers meaning either of the 2 major parties [of the Union as a whole] will need to team up with one or more of the others..  I just don't want them teaming up with anyone whose sole aim is to destroy the Union completely, regardless of how people friendly said person comes across as,  and who already has control of their bit of the Union outside of Parliament anyway. . 

 

Ah well, as if it really matters who gets in, it'll be the same old stuff again no doubt regardless of what any of them are saying now.. it's all bluster 

I can't highlight on the IPad ....but totally agree with both para 3 & 4 Olly  

Baz

To clarify....


Scotland has devolved powers, only with Education, and Health, now recently some Tax powers. Scotland still controlled by with whomever is in power in Westminster. The last Government was Conservatives, and as part of the UK, we are Governed by them. Westminster still controls our Welfare/ Benefit/Pensions etc. Which means, tax etc made in Scotland goes to Westminster, and then we get a proportion back. Scotland never voted Conservatives in here, but we are still, as a member of the UK, essentially governed by them, well maybe not by tomorrow..... 
Scotlands referendum was to have more rights over our money, and how it was spent here. It was not an anti English vote, but how we should have rights to our own money. 
Whether or not the leader of the SNP, is man or woman is neither here nor there. i shall let GP, s post go over my head, and shant say about a rather sexist remark!! 

FM
Originally Posted by Skylark:

To clarify....


Scotland has devolved powers, only with Education, and Health, now recently some Tax powers. Scotland still controlled by with whomever is in power in Westminster. The last Government was Conservatives, and as part of the UK, we are Governed by them. Westminster still controls our Welfare/ Benefit/Pensions etc. Which means, tax etc made in Scotland goes to Westminster, and then we get a proportion back. Scotland never voted Conservatives in here, but we are still, as a member of the UK, essentially governed by them, well maybe not by tomorrow..... 
Scotlands referendum was to have more rights over our money, and how it was spent here. It was not an anti English vote, but how we should have rights to our own money. 
Whether or not the leader of the SNP, is man or woman is neither here nor there. i shall let GP, s post go over my head, and shant say about a rather sexist remark!! 

Well explained, thank you Skylark 

FM
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:

The Daily Politics has been the winner.

 

Evening Rog   

 

 

How do Velvet? 

 

All these coalition combinations eh?  Might even be the Tories and the bible bashin DUP to take us back 50 years!

I watched the NI debate last night  

 

Blimey...talk about options. And I think it's bad here..       

You did? Aww you must be a masochist Velvet   

FM
Originally Posted by Skylark:

To clarify....


Scotland has devolved powers, only with Education, and Health, now recently some Tax powers. Scotland still controlled by with whomever is in power in Westminster. The last Government was Conservatives, and as part of the UK, we are Governed by them. Westminster still controls our Welfare/ Benefit/Pensions etc. Which means, tax etc made in Scotland goes to Westminster, and then we get a proportion back. Scotland never voted Conservatives in here, but we are still, as a member of the UK, essentially governed by them, well maybe not by tomorrow..... 
Scotlands referendum was to have more rights over our money, and how it was spent here. It was not an anti English vote, but how we should have rights to our own money. 
Whether or not the leader of the SNP, is man or woman is neither here nor there. i shall let GP, s post go over my head, and shant say about a rather sexist remark!! 

BIB You're getting even more powers tho aren't you, which is more than can be said for other areas in the Union. . problem is there will always be large areas around the Union that don't get the government that a majority in that area voted for. .nature of the beast isn't it?. .no one is going to be fully satisfied..  that's politics for you

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by Skylark:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Are you talking about this - where 4 protesters were being heckled by a Labour crowd and the press?

 

 

At some points it was ALMOST as rowdy as one of the Scottish leaders’ TV debates. But today, for some reason, the media have decided to portray it as a riot.

murphygate2

Above is the actual scene hyperbolically described by the BBC’s James Cook as β€œabsolute chaos on the streets of Glasgow”. Channel 4’s Alex Thomson, who knows perfectly well what Jim Murphy’s β€œrallies” are about, unaccountably fired off a series of tweets and a blog entry about the hecklers β€œdenying freedom of speech”.

 

So you tell me who's freedom of speech was being denied?

 

By the way, when did voters of a party become MEMBERS of said party?

Labour rent-a-crowd?  you mean they were stooges at a Labour party event?

 

Why do the anti English thugs of the SNP have to shout down any English MP without hearing them out first,  what are they afraid of?

 

Im starting to think Scotland is a lost cause.

Hi Vids , sorry you think Scotland is a lost cause because of some daft scuffle, that i am sure was slightly staged. I have seen more on a Friday night with a huge lot of folk being refused entry to a club!! Plus as said Jim Murphy is not an English MP. 

Hiya Sky   Fair play, I hope you are right.

 

Scotland is very important to the UK as a whole, we don't want mob rule up there.

Videostar

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