Me too Saz .. I am dreading Wednesday and am praying people see sense and just go about their business if they aren't interested in a funeral ..but as has been said it is the threat of what they may do that has pushed the cost thru the roof. .was going to post the same this morning but had a huge rant to follow it so decided to stop and calm down first.. 
doubt it will go peacefully tho.. 
:
time to turn puter off ..save on leccy. . na night 
I would say Mark and Carol had a choice.
No surprises with the former Baronet.
Jeez,how much bile can one thread spew?
It's like BB.
Me too Saz .. I am dreading Wednesday and am praying people see sense and just go about their business if they aren't interested in a funeral ..but as has been said it is the threat of what they may do that has pushed the cost thru the roof. .was going to post the same this morning but had a huge rant to follow it so decided to stop and calm down first..
doubt it will go peacefully tho.. :
time to turn puter off ..save on leccy. . na night
Night Olly
Apparently it's been suggested that a minutes silence is held at this weekend's football matches. It's the Sunderland v Newcastle derby this weekend, I can't see that going down well 
they don't have to do it then do they? if they didn't like her they don't have to pay their respects just get on with their game. .
I just hope they have some dignity and get on with their football if they aren't bothered about someone's passing..
Don't get me wrong I am not breaking down in grief and I am not a Thatcher apologist. .. . but the Country's one and only Woman Prime Minister passed away, for me that marked a Milestone when she got in. . many of you won't know how it was yrs ago to be a woman in work. .and to some extent now but no where near as bad as back then, she gave some of us hope that Women would be taken seriously and could go far. .for that particular thing I am grateful.. 
I couldn't stand the woman, but I do remember, as a 14 year old, feeling as though things were actually changing for women, when she was elected. It was as big as Obama's election, in my mind.
However, she did bugger all for women in work, in fact she criticised them, didn't she? She called Feminism "poison" and said that she owed nothing to women libbers. The fact that she wouldn't even have a vote, let alone get to no.10 without Feminism, didn't even cross her mind, it seems. She wanted to be the only woman in a man's world and she wanted to keep the status quo.
Now, if Barbara Castle had got there... 
Grace Dent in the Indo:
Obviously I have memories of Thatcher: I spent my entire youth in the far North under her decree during the three times in which she was voted into power. (Just to remind readers, there was no military coup to move Thatcherâs Carmen rollers into Downing Street. She won three general elections.) I am a child of the Thatcher era, my gob full of NHS silver fillings, my school milk snatched, my teen years passed in a tremendous strop about Clause 28 and cruise missiles. Yet still I cannot muster the righteousness and moral certitude of, say, thosenoble types climbing the front of the Brixton Ritzy cinema to unveil their âTHE BITCH IS DEADâ banner. Well done everyone there. And you, Snapdragon, the one with Costcutter sparkling Lambrusco, the one who rearranged the letters to say RIOT. Great work.
I can muster up ire about anyone affiliated with the left â of which I still count myself a member â using, in 2013, the words âBitchâ, âwhoreâ, âwitchâ, âbintâ and, of course, âc***â to describe Margaret Thatcher. It rankles me that one must spell out to these supposedly fervent socialists the weirdness in calling women with whom one doesnât agree â regardless of the view, regardless if she shut coal pits â a âbitchâ or a âwitchâ.
I also question how, in 2013, one female with power during the 1980s appears to now be carrying the can for thousands of decisions made by thousands of men. Or how in todayâs enlightened age the attributes of powerful men â an eye for detail, doggedness, abundant energy, an ease with making unpopular choices â are still seen in women as evidence of a malevolent robot or a witch.
Oh but then Thatcher wasnât a proper woman, it seems; neither was she a feminist, or a believer in women, in fact she hated women, weâre told. She kept women down. Again, I didnât agree with Thatcher on a legion of ideas, but thank God as a little girl I knew the story â told to me on Saturday Superstore and numerous other channels â of her becoming a research chemist, retraining as barrister, and determinedly elbowing her way into places men had never permitted us before. âI always felt sorry for her children,â mumbled Russell Brand, which is coincidentally what dusty old Conservative farts in the 1950s said when she pitched up in a frock and tried to prise away a little power. âOh the children, the poor childrenâ. I disliked Thatcher, but would I be here â still very often the only woman at the table, the only woman on the panel show, the only woman on the judging body, the token woman on the shortlist â without her as an example? Obviously, thereâs no place for cogent pondering like this right now. Youâre either a âTory twatâ or you have a death party to organise.
Are these death parties? Well, who knew they were a feasible adult manner of protest? I have watched curiously the fireworks and ghoulish laughter of my ardent lefty chums, the ones who now run entire businesses propped up by people writing for free which due to the dismantling of the unions no strike can touch, the ones who have bought up ex-council houses to add to their property empires.
Obviously, if you are genuinely an ex-miner or the family of one, the thought of you raising a glass to the end of a very painful era is wholly understandable. I wish you well. The truth is, of course, there is no end to this era. Weâre almost precisely in the same state, government-wise, as we were. So, on the other hand, if youâre 25 and have the time and the gumption to stand about in Brixton waving a bottle of prosecco, your time could be used more profitably by doing actual work in politics. The left needs passionate young blood right now. And if youâre still so very angry about milk being snatched in the 1970s â well, believe me, schoolchildren are starving right now and this ire could be used to get milk reinstated.
In fact if youâre truly so angry about Thatcherâs legacy you might have noticed there isnât time for any parties. Celebrating death seems to me rather childish, when thereâs adult work to be done.
from:
http://www.independent.co.uk/v...hildish-8567288.html
Like her riposte to Russell Brand 
Oh, that's good. 
Oh, that's good.
Hear! Hear!
Fear the wrath of Dent.
Oh, that's good.
I agree
Piss off Grace.
Hip.
She's very good.
I thought it was love at first sight too
I'm so glad I only use FB for my family, but I've not been near it since. I find it very disconcerting to see the left behave like this.
That's exactly the sort of thing that makes me glad I rarely bother to go on Facebook. Liked the Grace Dent article, and enjoyed the Matt cartoon further up...
Nice one, Grace. I really can't understand how people can harbour a hatred for so long, and in some cases where they're only hating 'second hand'. Sheesh -I knew she was unpopular, but I don't recall even Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi having this many people dancing and spitting on their graves.
Come on tae eff.
Who cares what some hip journalist or comedian thinks?
It's all between the ears I hope.
Career level.
Come on tae eff.
Who cares what some hip journalist or comedian thinks?
It's all between the ears I hope.
Sometimes some of us need someone to articulate on our behalf donks. Yes, I'm sure given enough time and typewriters I could have written something that reflected many of my sentiments better. But I don't.
Articulate on our behalf?
Are you kidding
Articulate to your behalf if we're lucky.
Most often articulate to someone up the pecking order.
As I said, I couldn't stand the woman, but I'd need better reasons to party.
Like, finding a tenner in yer pocket, or someting. 
Angry parties don't work, for me.
Articulate on our behalf?
Are you kidding
Articulate to your behalf if we're lucky.
Most often articulate to someone up the pecking order.
I was talking about my behalf then donks. If that's as good as it gets, so be it. Those two articles you disparage so much have expressed many nuanced feelings.
As I said, I couldn't stand the woman, but I'd need better reasons to party.
Like, finding a tenner in yer pocket, or someting.
Angry parties don't work, for me.
Angry Birds do though!
"The left needs passionate young blood right now. And if youâre still so very angry about milk being snatched in the 1970s â well, believe me, schoolchildren are starving right now and this ire could be used to get milk reinstated."
Really?
Dent you are a tit.
"The left needs passionate young blood right now. And if youâre still so very angry about milk being snatched in the 1970s â well, believe me, schoolchildren are starving right now and this ire could be used to get milk reinstated."
Really?
Dent you are a tit.
So you think every child in the country gets waved off to school each day in nice warm clothes with a full belly?
"The left needs passionate young blood right now. And if youâre still so very angry about milk being snatched in the 1970s â well, believe me, schoolchildren are starving right now and this ire could be used to get milk reinstated."
Really?
Dent you are a tit.
So you think every child in the country gets waved off to school each day in nice warm clothes with a full belly?
Don't get me wrong I am not breaking down in grief and I am not a Thatcher apologist. .. . but the Country's one and only Woman Prime Minister passed away, for me that marked a Milestone when she got in. . many of you won't know how it was yrs ago to be a woman in work. .and to some extent now but no where near as bad as back then, she gave some of us hope that Women would be taken seriously and could go far. .for that particular thing I am grateful..
I couldn't stand the woman, but I do remember, as a 14 year old, feeling as though things were actually changing for women, when she was elected. It was as big as Obama's election, in my mind.
However, she did bugger all for women in work, in fact she criticised them, didn't she? She called Feminism "poison" and said that she owed nothing to women libbers. The fact that she wouldn't even have a vote, let alone get to no.10 without Feminism, didn't even cross her mind, it seems. She wanted to be the only woman in a man's world and she wanted to keep the status quo.
Now, if Barbara Castle had got there...
The hard hatted ones yes and I agree with her. She was against positive discrimination wasn't she not Feminism as an ideal? She wanted people to get a job on their merit not their sexual organs.. Feminism back then in it's newer burn your bra's and hate on all men form was full of some real OTT nutters that took the whole thing far too far and did worse for woman's causes rather than better..
Great Article by Dent . . best I've read. .good for her
"The left needs passionate young blood right now. And if youâre still so very angry about milk being snatched in the 1970s â well, believe me, schoolchildren are starving right now and this ire could be used to get milk reinstated."
Really?
Dent you are a tit.
So you think every child in the country gets waved off to school each day in nice warm clothes with a full belly?
So you think children really are starving?
"The left needs passionate young blood right now. And if youâre still so very angry about milk being snatched in the 1970s â well, believe me, schoolchildren are starving right now and this ire could be used to get milk reinstated."
Really?
Dent you are a tit.
So you think every child in the country gets waved off to school each day in nice warm clothes with a full belly?
So you think children really are starving?
The term was full belly and after serving school dinners where children tell you that they look forward to school on a Monday because they get fed then yes I do think there are kids out there that are malnourished
Aimee the term was "children are starving".
Thats what i made my comment about and what was replied to.
Aimee the term was "children are starving".
Thats what i made my comment about and what was replied to.
I think 'starving' is a pretty reasonable term when kids in a developed country are malnourished. Dent's definitely not a 'tit' imo.
