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Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

TBF, Thatcher was right about Nelson Mandela, he was a terrorist back in the day.

Jeez....

Oh, so he didn't kill people during his life?

 

Gandhi would have been ashamed of him.

Yep, people forget that this party used to put burning tyres around people's necks, although to be fair, I think his wife had more of the upper hand in that. Winnie.........now she was evil 

Winnie was a right charmer, you are very right about her.

Videostar
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

Yep, there was a hell of a lot I didn't like about her but she stuck to her guns on things 

FM
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

Yep, there was a hell of a lot I didn't like about her but she stuck to her guns on things 

 

There was alot I disagreed with her on, but my god she had the best interests of this country at heart, something youi couldn't say about modern day MP's.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

Yep, there was a hell of a lot I didn't like about her but she stuck to her guns on things 

 

There was alot I disagreed with her on, but my god she had the best interests of this country at heart, something youi couldn't say about modern day MP's.

Funny how Mark became an arms dealer I always thought.

 

Still.

FM
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

 

Not afraid to tackle striking bullies holding the country to ransom for even more money than they already got. . I remember the power cuts due to the miner strikes and the three day week, for some not us that had to carry on regardless. .  was sitting at work with a candle trying to carry on wearing coats, scarves and gloves cos it was winter as well as being dark...  . I was wishing I earned even half of what the striking buggers took home. . was not a nice job for anyone but they certainly got paid enough for it. .

 

I don't really have a great deal to say on Thatchers death, she's gone so RIP 

 

But I've read this a couple of times and I was just wondering who the well paid striking bullies were Olly, the union leaders or the workers?

SazBomb
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

Yep, there was a hell of a lot I didn't like about her but she stuck to her guns on things 

 

There was alot I disagreed with her on, but my god she had the best interests of this country at heart, something youi couldn't say about modern day MP's.

Funny how Mark became an arms dealer I always thought.

 

Still.

We're not all perfect though are we? 

FM
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

Her own bloody party dumped her,she was more "Royal than us" as the queen was reported to have said.

 

 

^^^ this

 

I'm not rejoicing in an old women's death, but I can't forgive her for her policies and what she did to the ordinary working class and its industries 

yes she stuck to her guns, and sold off everything she could lay her hands on..now we have to import coal, gas and it's cheaper to fly to Norway than travel to Manchester on a train. Pfft

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:

 A woman who reached the top.

 

In the 70's.

 

  

 

This is the thing I will remember....and respect.... her for  

 

I don't know enough about the politics to make an informed comment regarding the rest of it ...... I'm waaay too young to remember any of it clearly enough. (Shut up Baz     )

Ducky
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

Yep, there was a hell of a lot I didn't like about her but she stuck to her guns on things 

 

There was alot I disagreed with her on, but my god she had the best interests of this country at heart, something youi couldn't say about modern day MP's.

Funny how Mark became an arms dealer I always thought.

 

Still.

He's not his mother tho, I said she cared deeply about this country, what he did was of no importance.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Ducky:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:

 A woman who reached the top.

 

In the 70's.

 

  

 

This is the thing I will remember....and respect.... her for  

 

I don't know enough about the politics to make an informed comment regarding the rest of it ...... I'm waaay too young to remember any of it clearly enough. (Shut up Baz     )

And she did it without the need for the awful "all women shortlists" or any of that nonsense.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

Yep, there was a hell of a lot I didn't like about her but she stuck to her guns on things 

 

There was alot I disagreed with her on, but my god she had the best interests of this country at heart, something youi couldn't say about modern day MP's.

Funny how Mark became an arms dealer I always thought.

 

Still.

He's not his mother tho, I said she cared deeply about this country, what he did was of no importance.

I know she had nothing to do with it   

FM
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

Honestly? I've seen it reported many times before now.

 

I'm not sure how I feel TBH - I always used to say I'd jump up and down etc. - she was an old lady - lost her marbles at the end (if not before ). I'm oddly not elated as I always thought/said I'd be.

Me neither, and I've felt that way for sometime now. She hasn't been active in politics for many years now and the old hatred cooled over the years. 

kimota
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by El Loro:
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
How did she die?

from a stroke.

It was changed very quickly, but I swear this is true:

Just as her death was announced as "breaking news", I went on the BBC News website. At the bottom of the story was a quoted announcement that Margaret Thatcher has died "following a strike."

You can't make that sort of thing up...

stonks
Originally Posted by Baz:
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I don't think showing respect makes a person fake Stonks. I really disliked her her... and would often turn the TV off when she came on.....but that doesn't  mean I can't show some respect on the day she dies. Respecting a person and their politics and showing respect are two different things to me.

I just can't Baz..I won't be waving any flags but I won't go to bed thinking of her, I suppose she died to me and a lot of people long ago....

 Trust me neither will  I Stonks, but I find the fact that people are partying a very sad reflection of human nature

me neither baz..they'd do better marching protesting for the elderly or disabled rights but thats probably too productive for them.... 

stonks
Originally Posted by SazBomb:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

 

Not afraid to tackle striking bullies holding the country to ransom for even more money than they already got. . I remember the power cuts due to the miner strikes and the three day week, for some not us that had to carry on regardless. .  was sitting at work with a candle trying to carry on wearing coats, scarves and gloves cos it was winter as well as being dark...  . I was wishing I earned even half of what the striking buggers took home. . was not a nice job for anyone but they certainly got paid enough for it. .

 

I don't really have a great deal to say on Thatchers death, she's gone so RIP 

 

But I've read this a couple of times and I was just wondering who the well paid striking bullies were Olly, the union leaders or the workers?

I haven't read the whole thread, but I would hazard a guess at Arthur Scargill, the well paid union leader, who has recently took the miners union to court because they wanted to stop paying his rent.

Cinds
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

I was stunned her daughter ended up winning im a celebrity,  strange things can happen.

I voted for her to win...I actually voted for a thatcher! I liked  her in I'm a celeb.

 

so did I, only time I've ever voted for a Tory 

They're putting me up in Kendal  

 

John Major meets John Selwyn Gummer with a bit of reggae thrown in.

FM
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by El Loro:
Originally Posted by erinp:

Good riddance to the bitch!

 

Labour MP Mike Gapes

tweets: Margaret Thatcher achieved something unique First (and only so far) woman PM. Today should be about respect. Let's debate her legacy later.


I repeat good riddance to the bitch.

Shame on you . .  she wasn't a mass murderer . . she may have divided opinion hugely.. but for the ones she has left behind to whom she was a mother and grandmother   can you not have an ounce of respect at all, not for her but for those grieving their loss? 

 

bad form

I can't stop laughing at this.  I always thought part of the Catholic ideology was t turn the other cheek? So I find it hilarious that our devote catholic (according to the pope thread the other week) would post such a thing.

Cinds
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by SazBomb:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

 

Not afraid to tackle striking bullies holding the country to ransom for even more money than they already got. . I remember the power cuts due to the miner strikes and the three day week, for some not us that had to carry on regardless. .  was sitting at work with a candle trying to carry on wearing coats, scarves and gloves cos it was winter as well as being dark...  . I was wishing I earned even half of what the striking buggers took home. . was not a nice job for anyone but they certainly got paid enough for it. .

 

I don't really have a great deal to say on Thatchers death, she's gone so RIP 

 

But I've read this a couple of times and I was just wondering who the well paid striking bullies were Olly, the union leaders or the workers?

I haven't read the whole thread, but I would hazard a guess at Arthur Scargill, the well paid union leader, who has recently took the miners union to court because they wanted to stop paying his rent.

Baz
Originally Posted by Videostar:

TBF, Thatcher was right about Nelson Mandela, he was a terrorist back in the day.

 

Sorry, how can you be a terrorist in a country where you are denied a voice solely because of your colour by people who invaded your people's land a few hundred years previous? 

 

Around 75% of the population were denied the vote in South Africa - a racist dictatorship by any definition. The state was illegitimate. 

 

You're taking the piss Videostar.

 

Mandela was a freedom fighter, Thatcher defended a racist dictatorship. 

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by SazBomb:
 

I don't really have a great deal to say on Thatchers death, she's gone so RIP 

 

But I've read this a couple of times and I was just wondering who the well paid striking bullies were Olly, the union leaders or the workers?

I haven't read the whole thread, but I would hazard a guess at Arthur Scargill, the well paid union leader, who has recently took the miners union to court because they wanted to stop paying his rent.

I thought it must be him and the union chief types, but I wasn't entirely sure

SazBomb

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