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Originally Posted by Baz:
Well said Olly, Rosie and El Loro I can't claim to have liked her ...in fact she made me proper grrrrrrrr. However, whatever people thought/think of her politics she was certainly her own person , and didn't lick the media's boots . So, R.I.P Mrs T.

this ^^^

 

Have to say, I do think, unlike today's crew, she did have her principles and I honestly don't think she was in it to line her own pockets.  

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Maggie's greatest challenge awaits.  Persuading her new boss, Satin, to close the pits of hell!

but... but... but.... she's already shut down three furnaces 

 

 

I don't normally celebrate or take pleasure in anyone's demise but for this lady, due to her racist attacks on all Irish people, not just those from terrorist groups, I can't forgive her and I'm with Erin, good riddance 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Maggie's greatest challenge awaits.  Persuading her new boss, Satin, to close the pits of hell!

but... but... but.... she's already shut down three furnaces 

 

 

I don't normally celebrate or take pleasure in anyone's demise but for this lady, due to her racist attacks on all Irish people, not just those from terrorist groups, I can't forgive her and I'm with Erin, good riddance 

Agree,Auld Nick must be stoking up the pit.

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Maggie's greatest challenge awaits.  Persuading her new boss, Satin, to close the pits of hell!

but... but... but.... she's already shut down three furnaces 

 

 

I don't normally celebrate or take pleasure in anyone's demise but for this lady, due to her racist attacks on all Irish people, not just those from terrorist groups, I can't forgive her and I'm with Erin, good riddance 

Totally agree peng..the fear that woman put over anyone connected with Ireland, having to lie to get jobs that we had no connection with the Republic, having my babies searched and lets not forget fear of Internment, how the feck was it legal to hold someone indefinately without trial?..

stonks
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Maggie's greatest challenge awaits.  Persuading her new boss, Satin, to close the pits of hell!

but... but... but.... she's already shut down three furnaces 

 

 

I don't normally celebrate or take pleasure in anyone's demise but for this lady, due to her racist attacks on all Irish people, not just those from terrorist groups, I can't forgive her and I'm with Erin, good riddance 

Totally agree peng..the fear that woman put over anyone connected with Ireland, having to lie to get jobs that we had no connection with the Republic, having my babies searched and lets not forget fear of Internment, how the feck was it legal to hold someone indefinately without trial?..

I think its ludicrous to suggest Mrs Thatcher stirred up anti - Irish sentiment. I think the IRA bombings on the mainland had more to do with souring UK opinion towards Irish people. We lived in England in the early - mid 70's before we moved back to NI and anti Irish sentiment was well established already.

Internment was well before her time. It was implemented for a brief period, early 70's, during an extraordinarily savage IRA campaign of murder, when ordinary NI people were living in fear of being caught up in the next indiscriminate atrocity. I'm Northern Irish, Catholic, lived in Belfast through the thick of The Troubles including the Hunger Strikes. I don't think she was especially harsh towards Irish / N. Irish people. She had a very good relationship with Charlie Haughey and the Irish government for example. The Unionists wouldn't negotiate and brought down Sunningdale our best chance for peace and that was nothing to do with her. The many many N.Irish and UK innocent victims of indiscriminate bombings made it hard to negotiate with the IRA at the time such was public disgust.

 

Not to forget Mrs Thatcher was the victim of terrorism - the Brighton bomb - she narrowly escaped with her life and her right hand man Norman Tebbit's wife was left a virtual cripple afterwards. Before that, her great friend and mentor Airey Neave was blown up in his car at Westminster in 1979. So she actually suffered from the Troubles, personally.

 

She took a hard line with the IRA but that was after years of their own intransigence, it did no harm only stop their PR machine. You could argue she moved forward the prospect of peace. Remember, when she was in power she signed the controversial first Anglo Irish Agreement in 1985 with Garret Fitzgerald. The NI Unionists were furious and there were massive street protests - she was no particular friend to them.

 

She had her faults but its too easy to wave the anti Irish stick at her. Fairs fair. Unlike some of you I lived at the centre of it, and am old enough to remember it well. 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Maggie's greatest challenge awaits.  Persuading her new boss, Satin, to close the pits of hell!

but... but... but.... she's already shut down three furnaces 

 

 

I don't normally celebrate or take pleasure in anyone's demise but for this lady, due to her racist attacks on all Irish people, not just those from terrorist groups, I can't forgive her and I'm with Erin, good riddance 

Totally agree peng..the fear that woman put over anyone connected with Ireland, having to lie to get jobs that we had no connection with the Republic, having my babies searched and lets not forget fear of Internment, how the feck was it legal to hold someone indefinately without trial?..

I think its ludicrous to suggest Mrs Thatcher stirred up anti - Irish sentiment. I think the IRA bombings on the mainland had more to do with souring UK opinion towards Irish people. We lived in England in the early - mid 70's before we moved back to NI and anti Irish sentiment was well established already.

Internment was well before her time. It was implemented for a brief period, early 70's, during an extraordinarily savage IRA campaign of murder, when ordinary NI people were living in fear of being caught up in the next indiscriminate atrocity. I'm Northern Irish, Catholic, lived in Belfast through the thick of The Troubles including the Hunger Strikes. I don't think she was especially harsh towards Irish / N. Irish people. She had a very good relationship with Charlie Haughey and the Irish government for example. The Unionists wouldn't negotiate and brought down Sunningdale our best chance for peace and that was nothing to do with her. The many many N.Irish and UK innocent victims of indiscriminate bombings made it hard to negotiate with the IRA at the time such was public disgust.

 

Not to forget Mrs Thatcher was the victim of terrorism - the Brighton bomb - she narrowly escaped with her life and her right hand man Norman Tebbit's wife was left a virtual cripple afterwards. Before that, her great friend and mentor Airey Neave was blown up in his car at Westminster in 1979. So she actually suffered from the Troubles, personally.

 

She took a hard line with the IRA but that was after years of their own intransigence, it did no harm only stop their PR machine. You could argue she moved forward the prospect of peace. Remember, when she was in power she signed the controversial first Anglo Irish Agreement in 1985 with Garret Fitzgerald. The NI Unionists were furious and there were massive street protests - she was no particular friend to them.

 

She had her faults but its too easy to wave the anti Irish stick at her. Fairs fair. Unlike some of you I lived at the centre of it, and am old enough to remember it well. 

 

  I actually didn't like her at all (have argued passionately against her policies many, many times) but that is well said.  I'm sorry, but I also feel the end of somebody's life should be afforded some respect.

scatterby
Originally Posted by scatterby:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Maggie's greatest challenge awaits.  Persuading her new boss, Satin, to close the pits of hell!

but... but... but.... she's already shut down three furnaces 

 

 

I don't normally celebrate or take pleasure in anyone's demise but for this lady, due to her racist attacks on all Irish people, not just those from terrorist groups, I can't forgive her and I'm with Erin, good riddance 

Totally agree peng..the fear that woman put over anyone connected with Ireland, having to lie to get jobs that we had no connection with the Republic, having my babies searched and lets not forget fear of Internment, how the feck was it legal to hold someone indefinately without trial?..

I think its ludicrous to suggest Mrs Thatcher stirred up anti - Irish sentiment. I think the IRA bombings on the mainland had more to do with souring UK opinion towards Irish people. We lived in England in the early - mid 70's before we moved back to NI and anti Irish sentiment was well established already.

Internment was well before her time. It was implemented for a brief period, early 70's, during an extraordinarily savage IRA campaign of murder, when ordinary NI people were living in fear of being caught up in the next indiscriminate atrocity. I'm Northern Irish, Catholic, lived in Belfast through the thick of The Troubles including the Hunger Strikes. I don't think she was especially harsh towards Irish / N. Irish people. She had a very good relationship with Charlie Haughey and the Irish government for example. The Unionists wouldn't negotiate and brought down Sunningdale our best chance for peace and that was nothing to do with her. The many many N.Irish and UK innocent victims of indiscriminate bombings made it hard to negotiate with the IRA at the time such was public disgust.

 

Not to forget Mrs Thatcher was the victim of terrorism - the Brighton bomb - she narrowly escaped with her life and her right hand man Norman Tebbit's wife was left a virtual cripple afterwards. Before that, her great friend and mentor Airey Neave was blown up in his car at Westminster in 1979. So she actually suffered from the Troubles, personally.

 

She took a hard line with the IRA but that was after years of their own intransigence, it did no harm only stop their PR machine. You could argue she moved forward the prospect of peace. Remember, when she was in power she signed the controversial first Anglo Irish Agreement in 1985 with Garret Fitzgerald. The NI Unionists were furious and there were massive street protests - she was no particular friend to them.

 

She had her faults but its too easy to wave the anti Irish stick at her. Fairs fair. Unlike some of you I lived at the centre of it, and am old enough to remember it well. 

 

  I actually didn't like her at all (have argued passionately against her policies many, many times) but that is well said.  I'm sorry, but I also feel the end of somebody's life should be afforded some respect.

I'm not jumping for joy, she's just gone, dead and she can have the same respect as others I did'nt agree with in life..no rspect what so ever cos that would make me fake..I could'nt pretend to respect her in life so won't in death....

stonks
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
Is it awful that I just keep picturing her spitting image puppet

Honestly: I don't think so. The "alternative" or political comedy scene was one of the biggest cultural legacies of her premiership, and Spitting Image was one of its the defining shows. What ever you thought of its humour, it was responsible for a unique period when schoolkids could name the Shadow Cabinet. The irony is that SI's portrayal of her as a strong leader did much to cement her public image...

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by stonks:
the end of somebody's life should be afforded some respect.

I'm not jumping for joy, she's just gone, dead and she can have the same respect as others I did'nt agree with in life..no rspect what so ever cos that would make me fake..I could'nt pretend to respect her in life so won't in death....

 

 

I didn't respect her at all, but I wouldn't make really nasty comments like some of them I've seen about her.  I'd rather say nothing.

scatterby
Originally Posted by Baz:

I don't think showing respect makes a person fake Stonks. I really disliked her her... and would often turn the TV off when she came on.....but that doesn't  mean I can't show some respect on the day she dies. Respecting a person and their politics and showing respect are two different things to me.

DITTO .........................I really thought when this day came that I'd be jumping up and down but I'm not. Like you I really couldn't stand the woman and hated what she did and what she stood for but ............there is a grudging respect there - and sadness for her family. There'll be other days to spout off - not today though.

Soozy Woo
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I don't think showing respect makes a person fake Stonks. I really disliked her her... and would often turn the TV off when she came on.....but that doesn't  mean I can't show some respect on the day she dies. Respecting a person and their politics and showing respect are two different things to me.

DITTO .........................I really thought when this day came that I'd be jumping up and down but I'm not. Like you I really couldn't stand the woman and hated what she did and what she stood for but ............there is a grudging respect there - and sadness for her family. There'll be other days to spout off - not today though.

I expected this to be a great day of satisfaction for me. Down the pub, cheering her passing etc. In the event I couldn't pull it off. Like you say Sooz, other days to have a bitch about things but not today. 

 

Having said that, it didn't stop George Galloway! 

 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news...s-death-8564876.html

Xochi
Originally Posted by Baz:

I don't think showing respect makes a person fake Stonks. I really disliked her her... and would often turn the TV off when she came on.....but that doesn't  mean I can't show some respect on the day she dies. Respecting a person and their politics and showing respect are two different things to me.

I just can't Baz..I won't be waving any flags but I won't go to bed thinking of her, I suppose she died to me and a lot of people long ago....

stonks
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

TBF, Thatcher was right about Nelson Mandela, he was a terrorist back in the day.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter Vids! 

If he killed innocent people to make a govenment change due to fear tactics thats terrorism, no matter how just the cause might be.

Videostar
Originally Posted by stonks:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I don't think showing respect makes a person fake Stonks. I really disliked her her... and would often turn the TV off when she came on.....but that doesn't  mean I can't show some respect on the day she dies. Respecting a person and their politics and showing respect are two different things to me.

I just can't Baz..I won't be waving any flags but I won't go to bed thinking of her, I suppose she died to me and a lot of people long ago....

 Trust me neither will  I Stonks, but I find the fact that people are partying a very sad reflection of human nature

Baz
Originally Posted by El Loro:
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
How did she die?

from a stroke.

It was changed very quickly, but I swear this is true:

Just as her death was announced as "breaking news", I went on the BBC News website. At the bottom of the story was a quoted announcement that Margaret Thatcher has died "following a strike."

You can't make that sort of thing up...

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by El Loro:
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
How did she die?

from a stroke.

It was changed very quickly, but I swear this is true:

Just as her death was announced as "breaking news", I went on the BBC News website. At the bottom of the story was a quoted announcement that Margaret Thatcher has died "following a strike."

You can't make that sort of thing up...

Noooo! 

Xochi
Originally Posted by Eugene's Lair:
Originally Posted by El Loro:
Originally Posted by ~Sweet Summer~:
How did she die?

from a stroke.

It was changed very quickly, but I swear this is true:

Just as her death was announced as "breaking news", I went on the BBC News website. At the bottom of the story was a quoted announcement that Margaret Thatcher has died "following a strike."

You can't make that sort of thing up...

Sniggers inappropriatly..

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

TBF, Thatcher was right about Nelson Mandela, he was a terrorist back in the day.

Jeez....

Oh, so he didn't kill people during his life?

 

Gandhi would have been ashamed of him.

Yep, people forget that this party used to put burning tyres around people's necks, although to be fair, I think his wife had more of the upper hand in that. Winnie.........now she was evil 

FM
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Love her or hate her, at least she believed in something. She was driven by her ideals and genuinely held beliefs. Not just by vanity, self aggrandizement and a desire to make money post politics - like more recent politicians. Not saying she was right or even that she was a good person, just that she was genuine. And I respect that.

 

RIP Baroness Thatcher.

 

 

Oddly enough I find I am tending to feel the same way.

 

Thatcher had conviction,even if that conviction was about policies that you wouldn't promote yourself, which is some thing that the career politicians of today don't have .You may despise her politics but there was some thing genuine about her.

Politicians now, tend to be mealy mouthed liars with one eye on the next promotion they  hope to get and the other eye on producing a sound bite ,that makes them look good.

 

'hard working familes' seems to be the current favourite.

jacksonb

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